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Republicans Should 'Shut Up' On Immigration If They Want To Win Latino Voters, Pollster Says

First Posted: 11/29/11 04:39 PM ET Updated: 11/29/11 06:01 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- Republicans could be hurting their general election chances by calling for mass deportations of undocumented immigrants and vowing not to reform the system until the border is secured, a pollster and a Republican strategist said on Tuesday.

"Your grandmother once told you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all," Gary Segura, a Stanford University professor and the head of the polling firm Latino Decisions, said on a conference call Tuesday. "The truth is that...if Republicans would just shut up, they would do better among Latino voters. I think the drumbeat of negativity really hurts their brand."

All seven major Republican candidates have called for stronger border enforcement, insisting the southwestern border should be closed off -- either with a fence or with more boots on the ground -- before any type of legalization can take place. Beyond that, few have offered plans for dealing with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, other than to say many of them should be deported.

Republican strategist Hector Barajas warned that may be a mistake, especially among Latino voters who generally support some immigration reform.

A majority of Latino voters believe that candidates who call for border security, a vague term that gives little insight into what full "security" would mean, are attempting to delay immigration enforcement, according to a poll released earlier this month by Univision and Latino Decisions.

"Latinos would be fine if you mention 'let's secure the border,' but at the same time they're wanting to hear the rest of your plan," Barajas told HuffPost. "This idea that you can just secure the border and we'll do the rest later is something that has been told year after year, election cycle after election cycle. They want to hear what happens after that."

At the same time, Segura and Barajas said that Republicans could be seizing an opportunity to gain votes in the Latino community.

Obama won in 2008 with a strong showing from Latino voters, 67 percent of whom voted for him over Republican candidate John McCain. Since then, though, Obama broke a campaign promise to pass comprehensive immigration reform and has deported a record number of undocumented immigrants. Latinos in general may feel that Democrats take them for granted, Segura told HuffPost on Nov. 9, after 32 percent of those polled by Latino Decisions said that Democrats seem to not care much about them.

"There is a very large opening there for Republicans, given that Obama is basically considered to be the number one separator of Latino families," Barajas said.

Obama said earlier this month that he was confident he could win Latino voters, in part because of the harsh rhetoric on immigration from Republican candidates. He was the leader over Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and Herman Cain in the Univision-Latino Decisions poll.

"I don't think it requires us to go negative in the sense of us running a bunch of ads that are false, or character assassinations," Obama told Univision News earlier this month. "It will be based on facts ... We may just run clips of the Republican debates verbatim. We won't even comment on them, we'll just run those in a loop on Univision and Telemundo, and people can make up their own minds."

Republican candidates may also be hurting their chances by failing to reach out to Latino voters. The campaigns have had little outreach to Latinos, save some exceptions, such as a Spanish-language Twitter feed from Newt Gingrich. Five GOP candidates opted out of an opportunity to speak directly to Latino voters, announcing in October they would boycott a debate on Univision, a major Spanish-language channel.

"You have to show up. you have to go into these communities, you have to have this conversation," Barajas said. "When you do show up, if all you talk about is deportation, then they think of you as a bad person."

So far, nearly all of the candidates have decried "amnesty," another vague term generally applied to the legalization of undocumented immigrants. Romney attacked Perry for signing a 2001 bill that allows some undocumented students to receive in-state tuition in Texas, calling it "amnesty" and a magnet for unauthorized immigration.

During a GOP debate last week, Romney also dug into Newt Gingrich for his immigration stances, after the candidate said he wants a "humane" approach to undocumented immigration and that Republicans, as "the party of the family," should not go about destroying families through deportation.

Perry and Gingrich said they oppose amnesty for undocumented immigrants. Since then, they have both attempted to boost their conservative immigration credentials.

During a Tuesday campaign appearance in New Hampshire, Perry hinted that he is still unsure how he would deal with the undocumented immigrants currently in the country, although he said he opposes telling them "that's all forgiven."

"Amnesty is not on the table period. There will be no amnesty in the United States," Perry said, according to ABC News. "We're a country of law and the idea that we're going to tell people that somehow or another that that's all forgiven is not going to happen. How we deal with them is a conversation. I don't know if I know all the answers. I want to talk to the American people."

Gingrich, meanwhile, clarified his immigration position, which would legalize very few of the undocumented immigrants in the country. He also stated his support for an immigration law in South Carolina that mirrors Arizona's SB 1070, which would allow police to inquire about immigration status with the aim of driving undocumented immigrants out of the state.

Barajas said Gingrich's previous statements on "humane" enforcement could help him among Latino voters. But Frank Sharry, executive director of the advocacy group America's Voice, said Gingrich's proposed reforms are too minor to create major shifts in support, even if they sounded appealing at first.

"For someone who's dying in the desert of thirst, a little cup of water looks really good," he said on the conference call. "Honestly, when he clarified his remarks in Florida over the weekend, what he was saying is that most people should go home."

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11:24 PM on 12/01/2011
Once bitten", twice shy". The same Dog bite you in the morning will bite you in the evening.
03:32 PM on 12/01/2011
Err... so these folks are openly advising the GOP how to deceive the constituency they supposedly represent. Hope these folks aren't Latino. If so they're traitors.
03:09 PM on 12/01/2011
I'm Latina and conservative...I will be very disappointed if conservatives start pandering and become more liberal on illegal immigration.
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Mark Lindley
12:14 PM on 12/01/2011
Wait a minute! Illegal immigration is a very serious problem in our country. So Republcans shouldn't mention it or lose the Latino vote? Our immigration laws state one must be deported if here illegally in our country (just like other countries do). Why would a loyal Latino citizen object to that? Aren't they beholding to our laws just like very other citizen group in our country? What's up with that?
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RobertHenryEller
I saw Ray Charles perform.
06:31 AM on 12/01/2011
I think Republican candidates are stuck on this one. They can appeal to Latino voters or they can appeal to conservatives and tea party supporters, but they can't do both.

Or, they can waffle (Do the Mitt! It's the shuffle sweeping the nation!) and turn off a good deal of both constituencies.

What would be nice is if some brave (ha ha) politician would actually cite facts on the impact of illegal immigration on jobs for citizens, etc., and fit a policy proposal to the facts.

Like that will happen.
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Walrus Man
04:57 PM on 11/30/2011
Obama wanted to play the President. It's been fun for him!! I bet Mitt Romney would be a very good President and would give Latinos a just deal in order to make the Country safer and stronger.
09:12 PM on 11/30/2011
Yea, a good deal to rebuild is property in San Diego, County, CA and also to keep up the lawn and probably maid service too.
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Walrus Man
05:22 PM on 12/06/2011
If that were the case, it wouldn't matter what kind of job these people had, because they would be here legally and would have rights and obligations.
03:12 PM on 11/30/2011
Perry opposes amnesty by decreeing that "We're a country of law..." That's wrong. The law is limited and inevitably not always correct. The law without the exercise of amnesty, of mercy as Shakespeare taught us, is not justice; and that is the goal that law should serve. When in the interests of justice people cannot be spared from the dictates of law, law becomes an enslaving tyrant. Laws were created to serve human ends; we do not exist to be a slave to the law.
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Ciocc1
05:32 PM on 11/30/2011
Mexicans want blanket amnesty and permission to behave with impunity. Just because you do not like a law doesn't men it is wrong. Parasitic illegals are the tyrants.
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10:11 AM on 12/01/2011
Blanket amnesty? Behave with impunity? Parasites? Tyrants?
Total BS. I would like to see blanket amnesty but I don't know of any organizations calling for that, Latino or otherwise. And the rest is just RW crap. They add 450 million dollars a year to the economy which is hardly parasitic. They only ask to be able to live without looking over their shoulder all the time. And pretty hard to act like a tyrant when you're working some back breaking job for minimum wage. Very lucky for you you happened to be born on the correct side of the border. If you hadn't been and had nothing and no future for your family, you wouldn't try and go where you might have one?
Darn right you would.
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Mark Lindley
12:17 PM on 12/01/2011
So why have immigration laws if it is considered inhumane to enforce them? What about American lawbreakers should they be given a pass on punishment because it is the humane thing to do?

The laws on the books need to be respected and enforced until or if they are changed and not before that.
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ThurmanLady
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02:39 PM on 11/30/2011
I don't think the GOP needs to pander to one group over others. There are many Latinos who are legal citizens of this country. They worked hard to become one and to be here legally. Why would they be overjoyed to know that while they had to take all the necessary steps to be legal and/or become a citizen, another whole group get it for nothing?
serena1313
Condemnation w/o investigation is hgt of ignorance
12:12 AM on 12/01/2011
Based on what Hispanic/Latinos who have been through the system to become US citizens told me about their personal experiences would disagree with you.

(assumed name) "Rosa" & her husband came to the US on a visa. Both worked. All 5 children were born here which automatically makes them US citizens. She is a citizen, he isn't. 1 maybe 2 years after his visa had expired, "Franco" returned to Mexico for a year, as required to apply for US citizenship. Fair enough, right?

Well here's the problem:

The waiting period is not a year, not 2 or 3 or 13; it is indefinite. Families are torn apart not knowing when, or more to the point, if mom/dad will be allowed back into the US. Of course the entire family can return to their country, but that defeats the whole purpose of becoming a US citizen.

Understandably Franco took their youngest child with him, per Rosa's request -- single mom juggling between trying to take care of 4 children & working 8 plus hours a day. A year or so later she also moved back to Mexico.

"Yoshi" fled to the US from Uruguay (?) 15 plus years ago lives in constant fear of being deported. She cannot file for US citizenship because if she goes back home she will never be allowed to leave. Living under a dictatorship is insufferable.

The system is broken. It needs to be fixed, now not later. Latinos/Hispanics, I've spoken with, agree.
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TggerJen
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11:30 AM on 12/02/2011
Families aren't 'torn apart' - family members make intentional decisions that have appropriate consequences. You admit that "Franco" stayed a year or two after his visa had expired- that was his decision and the consequences are appropriate. They chose to have five children and chose for him to take the youngest with him. She later joined him and, as you point out, the family is NOT apart.

The system isn't broken. Over a million people come here legally every year. We admit more immigrants, issue more student and work visas, and naturalize more citizens than any other nation on the planet.

Your two examples are of people who broke the laws and either dealt with consequences that are entirely appropriate or are dreading consequences that are appropriate. That's how it's supposed to work; both your examples are of the system working well for the American people. It's our nation and our system and it's supposed to work well for us- in your examples, it's working as it is supposed to work for Americans.

Huge numbers of people live in dictatorships; it's the responsibility of the people of those nations to change their own governments and improve their own countries and societies. Not everyone who is unhappy with where they are or what they have can come live in the US and only those willing to do it legally should ever be allowed to stay.

If the system is 'reformed' then we need to put a permanent ban on any legal status for anyone who comes/stays here illegally, tie immigration numbers directly to our unemployment rate so the numbers go down when unemployment goes up, and allow people to immigrate only when we need their high-level skill sets and they already have a job and speak/read/write English fluently. That reform should also tie legal immigration to illegal immigration such that nations with high numbers of illegal immigration here, like Mexico, have their legal immigration numbers held at zero until the illegal numbers fall to below a few thousand.

Importing poverty, lawlessness, and dishonesty is not just stupid, it's dangerous and damaging to our nation and our society and we need to get it stopped. Once we cut off all access to jobs, services and freebies, we can motivate most here illegally to self-deport. We'll have enough resources to deport the rest. At that point, we need to ensure that our immigration policies directly benefit America and our society by restricting immigration to highly-educated English speakers with great jobs lined up and employers willing to sponsor them.
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10:17 AM on 12/01/2011
Another reason is ICE isn't exactly particular who they round up. If the person looks Hispanic and doesn't have ID or proof of citizenship on them, it's a good bet they're going to spend several days or more until it gets straightened out.
And they don't get it for nothing. Most plans call for those who've been here for several years, working would have a path to take to citizenship. Some of these people have worked for years in their communities, their children have grown up there. They're productive members of society. What's the point of deporting them? You'd spend billions just to say you got rid of them all?
02:02 PM on 11/30/2011
If any of these GOP ers can read Obama has placed more boots on the ground than any other pres and has deported more criminals or undesirables than any one else and their is still no quick answer and moats fences and alligators are absurd why don't we deport our criminals and undesirables who work in Washington to other parts of the world we don't need them here they're just feeding off the tax payers for their salaries, health care, pensions, expense accounts and what are they adding? They don't garden, babysit, drywall, frame, pick fruit, should I continue?
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Ciocc1
05:34 PM on 11/30/2011
Obviously your free k-12 didn't serve you well.
01:33 PM on 11/30/2011
I do not believe there is any sound opposition for focusing on border security. If a wall is needed to prevent illegals from crossing the border, than by all means? How do we pay for that costly initative? The problems with illegal immigration is that there are american employers who need cheap labor. Simply put, supply and demand. The only way to reduce demand is to penalize the employers!! Its time to pay real wages to legal citizens.
01:19 PM on 11/30/2011
The Hispanic vote is NOT up for grabs.

The VAST MAJORITY of Hispanics know who best represents their interests.

And it ain't the Republicans.

That, folks, if for certain.

Hispanics know it and won't be fooled by GOP tricksters in 2012.

Count on it.
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Alva Vargas
02:02 PM on 11/30/2011
I thought this was America? As a Hispanic-American I'm for "American" interest's, otherwise, I should move to my ethnic-background country and complain to that government!
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Viper1st
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02:03 PM on 11/30/2011
Then Hispanic/Latinos need to quit playing the victim / hate card against the Republicans for wanting to:

1) Deporting record numbers of illegals
2) Deporting DREAMers
3) Splitting-up mixed families
4) Failing to pass The DREAM Act legislation
5) Failing to introduce a Comprehensive Immigration Reform Legislation

Because it is the Democrats whom are doing that to the Hispanic/Latino Community

Can't have it both ways
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CrestedSparrow
04:44 PM on 11/30/2011
The only one pushing the hate card is you and you've been on overdrive for months. No one cares what you think least of all Hispanics.
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Ciocc1
05:36 PM on 11/30/2011
Amen, biggest whiners/demanders around.
01:08 PM on 11/30/2011
Perhaps the left at this point (with the president's approval rating dropping to the lowest point since the measure was used) should give more consideration on how to stop Obama from losing than giving the right advice on how to win.
12:53 PM on 11/30/2011
Let them keep talking.
11:59 AM on 11/30/2011
2 points :first as long as the the business and farming communities set out what looks (relatively speaking ) like a pot o'gold north bound immigration ( and temporary migration ) will continue .Over the last 100 yrs the Only times it has lessen or reversed the northbound flow was 1932-38 and 2009 thru mid 2011(the great depression and "great" recession) (hmmmn 2+2= ... ) ....Secondly : the repubs cannot even touch this really until the general election , probably from using it as a bugaboo for decades ,the likely to vote republic base (especially in the 1st 5 caucus/primary states ) tends to find any give ( in state tuition ,amnesty , immigration reform ,not building a long fence ) as not acceptable as a quality for a potential president
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alphakat333
11:33 AM on 11/30/2011
Rep. candidates have to be careful because their uber wealthy backers love the cheap labor.

And if Latinos feel taken advantage of by Democrats as the author suggests, perhaps he/they should consider the kind of "love" they'll be shown if the GOP runs the whole show. Maybe a lesser of two evils choice for them, but sometimes that is the choice you have to make.
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Alva Vargas
02:35 PM on 12/02/2011
They have no choices or rights people, they're illegal!??! They need to pack up themselves and their families, get a clue and some integrity and go home!??!