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Japan: Fukushima Dai-ichi Meltdown Deeper Than Previously Thought

Fukushima

MARI YAMAGUCHI   11/30/11 11:14 AM ET   AP

TOKYO — Radioactive debris from melted fuel rods may have seeped deeper into the floor of a Japan's tsunami-hit nuclear reactor than previously thought, to within a foot from breaching the crucial steel barrier, a new simulation showed Wednesday.

The findings will not change the ongoing efforts to stabilize the reactors more than eight months after the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant was disabled, but they harshly depict the meltdowns that occurred and conditions within the reactors, which will be off-limits for years.

The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said its latest simulation showed fuel at the No. 1 reactor may have eroded part of the primary containment vessel's thick concrete floor. The vessel is a beaker-shaped steel container, set into the floor. A concrete foundation below that is the last manmade barrier before earth.

The fuel came within a foot of the container's steel bottom in the worst-case scenario but has been somewhat cooled, TEPCO's nuclear safety official Yoshihiro Oyama said at a government workshop. He said fuel rods in the No. 1 reactor were the worst damaged because it lost cooling capacity before the other two reactors, leaving its rods dry and overheated for hours before water was pumped in.

The nuclear crisis following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami caused massive radiation leaks and the relocation of some 100,000 people.

Another simulation on the structure released by the government-funded Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization, or JNES, said the erosion of the concrete could be deeper and the possibility of structural damage to the reactor's foundation needs to be studied.

JNES official Masanori Naito said the melting fuel rods lost their shape as they collapsed to the bottom of the vessel, then deteriorated into drops when water pumping resumed, and the fuel drops spattered and smashed against the concrete as they fell, Naito said.

TEPCO and government officials are aiming to achieve "cold shutdown" by the end of the year – a first step toward creating a stable enough environment for work to proceed on removing the reactors' nuclear fuel and closing the plant altogether.

The government estimates it will take 30 years or more to safely decommission Fukushima Dai-ichi.

Wednesday's simulations depict what happened early in the crisis and do not mean a recent deterioration of the No. 1 reactor. Oyama said, however, the results are based only on available data and may not match the actual conditions inside the reactors, which cannot be opened for years.

Some experts have raised questions about achieving the "cold shutdown," which means bringing the temperature of the pressure vessel containing healthy fuel rods to way below the benchmark 100 Celsius (212 Fahrenheit). They say the fuel is no longer there and measuring the temperature of empty cores is meaningless, while nobody knows where and how hot the melted fuel really is.

Kiyoharu Abe, a nuclear expert at JNES, said it's too early to make a conclusion and more simulations should be done to get accurate estimates.

"I don't think the simulation today was wrong, but we should look at this from various viewpoints rather than making a conclusion from one simulation," Abe said. "It's just the beginning of a long process."

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Callme Ish
11:24 PM on 12/04/2011
Hey simple request, Fan me
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
10:18 AM on 12/05/2011
I'm proud to be one of your fans already!

Keep posting links that you think are import like this one:
http://enformable.com/2011/08/cold-shutdown-facade-of-communication-minimizing-the-disaster-corium-is-the-taboo-word-after-fukushima/
and other great comments and before you know it you'll have hundreds of fans!
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
12:43 PM on 12/05/2011
Like me.
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
01:04 PM on 12/05/2011
done!
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
09:09 PM on 12/04/2011
(Reuters) - Japan's Mitsui Chemicals Inc, Mitsui & Co and Toshiba Corp plan to construct the country's largest solar power facility with an output of 50,000 kilowatts (KW), the Nikkei business daily reported.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/us-mitsui-idUSTRE77I5LV20110819
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The project is in anticipation of the passage of a bill that will require utilities to purchase electricity from renewable sources at fixed rates, the paper said.

The daily said the proposed plant will be built on 800,000 square meters of land owned by Mitsui Chemicals in Aichi Prefecture and have a 6,000 KW wind farm.

The companies, which plan to sell the power produced at the plant to Chubu Electric Power Co from 2013, have asked Chubu to participate in the project, while Mitsui Engineering & Shipbuilding Co and Toagosei Co may also join the project, the Nikkei said.
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WeMustDoBetter09
09:33 PM on 12/04/2011
Thanks for all the links here and below CaptD.
See you tomorrow.
BTW new main is not moderated.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
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WeMustDoBetter09
09:09 PM on 12/04/2011
New Main...came through a Tweet
More Radioactive Leaks From Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/04/more-radioactive-leaks-from-fukushima_n_1128538.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

More in an article here:
Radioactive Water Leaks From Japan's Fukushima Plant
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/world/asia/more-leaks-from-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-plant.html
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
09:05 PM on 12/04/2011
UPDATE 3-Japan utilities push to extend
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/japan-power-chubu-idUSL3E7IM02M20110722
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* Chubu says to beef up tsunami defences at Hamaoka by Dec 2012

* Debate intensifies as safety fears square off vs economy worries (Adds graphic link)
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Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
09:03 PM on 12/04/2011
Website I forgot to add to previous post: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-japan-nuclear-shutdown-idUSTRE7B104520111202
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
09:01 PM on 12/04/2011
Last post for today:
Massive amount of Nuclear Baloney (NB) expected in about 2 weeks:

Japan may announce Fukushima cold shutdown on Dec. 16: Yomiuri
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Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda may declare a cold shutdown because a November 30 analysis by plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co showed that temperatures for the nuclear fuel lying at the bottom of the containment vessel have stabilized, the paper said.

Radiation levels at the reactors have also fallen significantly, it said.

Declaring a cold shutdown will have repercussions well beyond the plant as it is one of the criteria the government has said must be met before it begins allowing 80,000 residents evacuated from within a 20 km (12 mile) radius of the plant to return home.

But even if a cold shutdown is declared, Tokyo Electric has acknowledged before that it may be unable to remove the fuel from the reactors for another 10 years, and experts say the cleanup at the plant could take several decades.
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Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
08:57 PM on 12/04/2011
Japanese gangsters may have received loans for tsunami victims
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/12/japanese-organized-crime-yakuza-march-11-earthquake-and-tsunami-victim-relief-.html
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Japanese officials are investigating whether crime syndicate members -- known as Yakuza -- received no-interest loans valued at nearly half a million dollars that were intended for victims of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

So far, four Yakuza have been arrested on suspicion of fraud in an alleged scam that reportedly involved 260 gangsters. And the government wants its money back.

The social welfare council of Miyagi Prefecture, which was one of three areas devastated by tsunami flooding, said last week that it is demanding the return of 20 loans distributed to gangsters, according to a report in the Sankei Shimbun newspaper.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
01:19 AM on 12/05/2011
Hmm. You mean you acknowledge there were victims of the earthquake and tsunami that were not related to Fukushima?

This is progress.
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WeMustDoBetter09
08:56 PM on 12/04/2011
OT
WaPo: Doubts over safety of #NewMexico #nuclear lab and its potential to become a new #Fukushima http://wapo.st/vRz7LS #SafeEnergy please.
3 minutes ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/safety-concerns-still-surround-planned-nuclear-lab/2011/12/04/gIQAzaTbTO_story.html
As federal officials prepare the final design plans for the lab, increased scrutiny is being placed on the potential for a major earthquake along the fault lines in northern New Mexico that carved out the stunning gorges, canyons and valleys that surround the nation’s premier nuclear weapons facility.

The new lab also comes with a price tag estimate of $5.8 billion, almost $1 billion more than New Mexico’s annual state budget and more than double the national lab’s total annual budget. That’s a big expenditure at a time when a cash-strapped Congress looks to trim defense spending.
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
08:55 PM on 12/04/2011
Japan's 'nuclear gypsies' face radioactive peril at power plants
Unskilled contractors make up most of the workforce and face higher doses of radiation than utility employees at Fukushima and other nuclear power plants in Japan
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-gypsies-20111204,0,347252.story
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Solicited from day labor sites across the country, many contractors are told little of the task ahead.

"The recruiters call out their windows that they have two days of work; it's not unlike the way migrant farm workers are hired in the U.S.," said Kim Kearfott, a nuclear engineer and radiation health expert at the University of Michigan.

"Many are given their training en route to the plant. They're told: 'Oh, by the way, we're going to Fukushima. If you don't like it, you can get off the truck right now.' There's no such thing as informed consent, like you would have in a human medical experiment," she said.
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
08:46 PM on 12/04/2011
Fossil Fuel Subsidies Six Times More Than Renewable Energy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-09/fossil-fuels-got-more-aid-than-clean-energy-iea.html
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Fossil-fuel consumers worldwide received about six times more government subsidies than were given to the renewable-energy industry, according to the chief adviser to oil-importing nations.
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
08:38 PM on 12/04/2011
SOLARRESERVE RECEIVES TECHNOLOGY AWARD FOR ENERGY STORAGE SOLUTION
SolarReserve’s Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project recognized at the CSP Today USA 2011 industry conference
http://solarreserve.com/pressReleases/CSPTodayAwardRelease070611.pdf
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SANTA MONICA, Calif., July 7, 2011 – SolarReserve, a U.S. developer of large-scale solar power projects, today announced that the company received the “Increased Dispatchability Solution of the Year” award for the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project at the 5th CSP Today USA Summit, held June 29-30. SolarReserve’s solar power tower with molten salt storage technology was recognized for its ability to generate power on-demand, and 24-hours-a-day.
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SLS11
Its all there, if we just open our eyes...
06:38 PM on 12/04/2011
And for a change of pace....

Feed-in Tariffs the Way Forward for Renewable Energy

Peter Lynch, an expert on the renewable energy sector, offers a concise introduction to the central role of feed-in tariffs (FITs) in fostering the ongoing transition from conventional, carbon-laden sources of generating electricity to renewables such as solar, wind and geothermal. As the author points out, FITs guarantee markets and prices for renewable power, and drive down their cost through deployment and the encouragement of yet more technical advance. FITs thus offer much hope to a world that seems unable to reach any sort of global agreement on cutting emissions which have continued to spiral since the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Peter-Lynch/3654

Btw,
I know this is OT, but some of us are very interested in the development and implementation of renewable sources of energy generation and might enjoy this article.
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Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
07:17 PM on 12/04/2011
Faved in Early December...
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The article highlights the role of the German FIT in driving this energy revolution. It notes that a decade ago Germany targeted a 12.5% share of electricity from renewables for 2010, but blew through the target in 2007 to achieve a 15.1% share.
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Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
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WeMustDoBetter09
04:13 PM on 12/04/2011
Shocking Yomiuri Editorial: Not eating your veggies equal to 100-200 millisieverts — “Unfounded radiation fears seem to be continuing to spread”
http://test.enenews.com/warning-shocking-yomiuri-editorial-not-eating-your-veggies-equal-to-100-200-millisieverts-unfounded-radiation-fears-seem-to-be-continuing-to-spread
How does radiation exposure affect the human body? A government panel of experts is scheduled to compile a report in the middle of the month on this question [...]

It is significant that through a series of discussions the experts reconfirmed 100 millisieverts as the yardstick for assessing the health risks of radiation exposure. [...]

Radiation Comparisons

During the expert panel’s meetings, members presented studies comparing the health risks of radiation
The risk of contracting cancer from smoking is equivalent to that from being exposed to 1,000 millisieverts to 2,000 millisieverts of radiation
The risk of cancer due to obesity is equivalent to being exposed to 200 millisieverts to 500 millisieverts of radiation
The risk from not eating enough vegetables is equivalent to being exposed to 100 millisieverts to 200 millisieverts
People who refrain from eating vegetables due to radiation fears may face greater health risks than if they ate them
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
06:37 PM on 12/04/2011
Attention Everyone in Japan:
Listen to the Experts, we know what is best.
Do not trust your Geiger Meters, ours are better.
TEPCO is GOOD, so is Radiation.
Move home ASAP, it is only "DUST"...
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I guess the Authorities forgot that KARMA rules!
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
06:52 PM on 12/04/2011
Fear makes people do stupid things.
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
07:18 PM on 12/04/2011
So does arrogance!
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WeMustDoBetter09
03:17 PM on 12/04/2011
Thinking about those physical problems, I think I shall move out soon as possible.

I’m also aware of the potential risk of racial discrimination against Japanese.

Looking over the comments on the blog and other sites, an idea is provoked.

“It’s because Japanese is coward.”

Whether it’s true or not, the more contamination spreads, the harder it becomes for Japanese refugee to live and make themselves understood right.

It’s going to be harder and harder. so I wish I could be a pioneer and prepare for the followers from Japan.

Japanese will have to live in a small community to corporate.

Fukushima Dairy
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CaptD
Freedom From Nuclear Fascism...
06:15 PM on 12/04/2011
Expect to see many more Geiger Counters everywhere,
... a newer way to create "US - Them divisions!

Question: Just who is TEPCO working for and what is their real Mission?
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
07:57 PM on 12/04/2011
Geiger counters are manufactured by the nuclear industry. Glad to see you are trusting the nuclear industry.