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Internet Sales Tax: Democrats, Republicans Support Closing Loophole

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First Posted: 12/01/11 11:27 AM ET Updated: 12/01/11 03:06 PM ET

State governments, pushed to the brink of default, may finally get their way in a battle with Amazon.com. At a congressional hearing Wednesday, representatives of both parties seemed to support a bill that would close a loophole that allows online-only retailers to avoid collecting sales tax.

The bill, known as the Marketplace Fairness Act, comes at an opportune moment. Municipal bankruptcies are gripping cities like Central Falls, R.I. and many government workers are in jeopardy of losing their pensions. Democratic and Republican lawmakers are trying new ways to fill the $102.9 billion state deficit predicted for 2012 by the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Online sales tax revenue could fill up as much as 11 percent of this deficit, according to a 2009 University of Tennessee study that estimated states would lose $11.39 billion from untaxed online sales in 2012.

As Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) noted at the hearing, Michigan will lose $450 million in the fiscal year of 2013 from lost tax revenue. This loss is reflected in reduced school programs, bridges and roads, and neglected services for police and firefighters, he said.

The bill has bipartisan sponsorship -- a rarity for a tax proposal in this political climate -- and even gained the support of Amazon itself in early November. Amazon's competitor eBay is the bill's largest remaining opponent. At the hearing, executives from eBay and Overstock.com formed a united front, lobbying on behalf of online sellers who they say would be disadvantaged by the bill.

Amazon Flips

When the Supreme Court made the 1992 decision Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, which currently exempts some online-only retailers from collecting sales tax, Amazon was simply a river in Brazil. The World Wide Web was still a year away from being introduced to the public, Amazon Vice President of Global Public Policy Paul Misener noted at the hearing.

A few years later when e-commerce was born, no one thought that small, west-coast startups like eBay and Amazon should have to collect taxes in all 50 states. The retailers went by the 1992 Supreme Court ruling that said catalog businesses only had to collect taxes in places where they had "physical presences."

Today, websites like Walmart.com do collect sales tax, as they are linked to a physical network of stores. But online-only stores like eBay or Overstock contend they shouldn't be burdened with the responsibility of collecting taxes in places where they don't have wholly-owned stores, warehouses or manufacturing facilities.

Shoppers are technically required to pay the sales tax even if retailers don't collect it, by reporting purchases on their tax returns. But as few as 1 percent of taxpayers actually comply, as Republican Indiana state senator Luke Kenley noted in this morning's hearing.

As Amazon grew and opened distribution centers in more states, local governments have tried to establish laws that would force the company to collect tax by redefining what it means to have a "physical presence." In some of these states, Amazon cut ties with local business partners in order to avoid collecting tax. In others, governments decided to stop pushing for the tax revenue in order to hold onto Amazon warehouses and jobs.

This year, the legal battle came to a head as California and Indiana joined the states trying to squeeze much-needed tax dollars out of Amazon. With governments near broke and e-commerce continuing to expand, a tax seemed inevitable. On November 9, the day the group of senators introduced the current bill to Congress, Amazon issued a statement supporting the act, surprising many who had been following the battle and the two similar bills introduced earlier this year.

"Part of what is happening is Amazon is moving into different aspects of online businesses. I think they're going to establish more nexus in places," said Kim Reuben, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank. "Part of it is them recognizing that we’re moving in this direction."

"It's a win-win resolution," Amazon's Misener said in the November 9 statement. "And as analysts have noted, Amazon offers customers the best prices with or without sales tax."

Small Business Interests

Small online businesses might not weather the change as well as Amazon if the bill were passed, eBay vice president of Government Relations Tod Cohen maintained in Wednesday's hearing.

"It does not make sense to expand Internet sales tax burdens on small businesses at a time when we want entrepreneurs to create jobs and economic activity," Cohen wrote in a statement to Congress on the day the bill was introduced.

Local brick-and-mortar businesses, meanwhile, are thrilled with the bill, which they believe will help level the playing field between themselves and online businesses.

Though business interest groups are divided, from a state perspective the bill seems like a good solution. "There’s a chance it could get targeted or added to something that calls it a tax increase," says Reuben, "but the fact that Amazon is now lobbying for it makes me more optimistic."

"The part that’s sort of troubling is, why did it take 20 years to do this?" she adds.

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State governments, pushed to the brink of default, may finally get their way in a battle with Amazon.com. At a congressional hearing Wednesday, representatives of both parties seemed to support a bill...
State governments, pushed to the brink of default, may finally get their way in a battle with Amazon.com. At a congressional hearing Wednesday, representatives of both parties seemed to support a bill...
 
 
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01:40 PM on 12/02/2011
This is an incredibly stupid idea. It will benefit big businesses like Amazon. A small businessman has enough work collecting taxes for the state he or she lives in. Having to collect taxes and do paperwork for 45 states is an unfair burden on small internet businesses. This bill is guaranteed to end many small internet businesses. Sales tax is a regressive tax on lower income people. States should collect their own taxes via state income tax. Sales taxes and lotteries burden the poor much more than the rich.
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01:48 PM on 12/02/2011
Sales taxes also negatively affect consumer spending. They should be lowering Internet sales taxes across the board if they want to encourage growth in the economy.
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01:10 PM on 12/02/2011
Supporting all the wrong taxes.
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12:20 PM on 12/02/2011
It our own fault. Sure, this is a stupid thing for congress to spend time on but the American people allow it. Clearly, consumers are being crushed by the decimated Housing Market that is still not being addressed. It's a no brainer. Yet, we still sit back and let our government waste time on efforts that will cause us more harm. Taxing consumers more, when they are already strapped with underwater mortgages is just dumb. It's self sabotaging at a national level. We sit and watch the decay.

When this country falls apart in a few years and I hear people complaining I'm going to lay into them just like I do now. "If you would have supported Occupy Wall Street, Demanded Housing Get Fixed and Broken up the BIG BANKS WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS MESS!"
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08:22 AM on 12/02/2011
53 cents of every tax dollar WASTED on the war machine and lucrative war contracts.
Let's not be sensible and reduce the war budget (for all you poor misinformed souls, it is a war budget, not a defense budget).
But let's slap another sales tax on the cash cow called consumer.
Hear hear.
07:27 AM on 12/02/2011
In general I'm opposed to sales taxes, (they disproportionatly hit the poor and middle class) but since most people don't buy food or clothes online I'm ok with this. Add in that it'll help local stores and the idea has my support.

However, I really feel that there's no reason Amazon and online retailers can't look up the sales tax in my area by the zip code I purchase items from. Have they never heard of the internet?
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10:19 PM on 12/01/2011
The bill may have Republican support now, but when the Republican constituents get through with their legislators that support will evaporate....
09:45 PM on 12/01/2011
The simple fact is sales tax has been legally due on out of state purchases for over fifty years. The problem is consumers are continuing to evade their legal tax obligations.

Passage of Federal legislation will actually benefit small businesses the most.

Progressive utilization of modern technology might actually amaze everyone. FREE technology available today actually makes it easier for businesses to calculate, collect and remit sales tax for any jurisdiction in every state than process shipping. Furthermore, this same technology available freely on the internet eliminates unnecessary administrative burdens created by legacy tax requirements. That's right! By simply integrating modern tax processing into online shopping carts small businesses have the most to gain.

For over ten years 50 states and thousands of individuals have been working on simplifying product definitions, tax rates and remittance requirements. 25 states are now members of the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Agreement (SSUTA).

Many of the online shopping carts are currently enabled to process sales tax for merchants. And many shopping carts and payment platforms not enabled are integrating tax processing for merchants as I type. It is clear that legislation will soon pass granting states their wish the collect sales tax on online sales. However, the remaining non SSUTA member states will have to simplify their tax systems before requiring out state merchants to process their residents' tax obligations.

It is clear that legislation will soon pass providing a long overdue level playing field for small businesses to compete.
01:04 PM on 09/09/2012
great point, its time to eliminate the unfair business advantage these internet companies hold over local businesses (who create jobs!) - time to level the playing field
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07:13 PM on 12/01/2011
I buy nearly everything off the web
and handle marketing for lots of websites.
Internet sales tax will cost me - but either we have sales taxes or we don't. This will be fair for everyone.
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07:09 PM on 12/01/2011
Delaware and New Hampshire have no sales tax, and there's such a wide variation between other states. There should be one, flat 2% Internet sales tax for all online purchases, since those purchases are virtual. What happened to the Republican ideology of not raising taxes, ever. Any increase in online sales tax is likely to hurt the frugal, middle class shopper.
06:33 PM on 12/01/2011
What a joke. They Guestimate that online sales taxes would close the pension deficit gap most states have by a whopping, wait for it, ...11%!!!! This solution is the solution their all looking to, to solve their political woes. Goes to show you how far beyond the next election their priorities lay... Their have no intention of fixing the systemic problems our economic systems now face... they just wanna put a band-aid on it...

Governments will always fall back on taxing you out of your money after they've burnt through the spoils of corruption... whats next? Destruction of your labor... ask George Orwell how that gets accomplished...

After reading about the "Accidental" US assault on Pakistani Security forces, I'd say we're already well under way into our foray through Perpetual Warfare... Iran , here we come...
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06:09 PM on 12/01/2011
Ebay has hundreds of thousands of small mom and pop businesses working from their houses selling on EBAY....and how are they going to do the sales taxes for 50 states? Clearly it will become the obligation of Ebay...or its going to be a waste of time.
12:03 PM on 12/04/2011
eBay currently processes thousands of varying tax jurisdictions globally to be in compliance in order the be the worlds #1 marketplace. There is currently software and service available that can integrate easily with eBay's check out systems making sales tax collection easier than processing shipping. My website, with annual revenue well below the proposed $100,000 small seller exception easily calculates and remits sales tax for any jurisdiction in any state easily and costs me nothing! That's right the service is FREE and could easily be integrated with eBay's checkout. My website utilizes PayPal Checkout and can calculate and collect sales tax anywhere in the USA. Amazon knows it is possible. I am doing it utilizing PayPAl an, eBay company, why is it so hard for eBay. Ebay after all maintains one of the largest computing infrastructures on the planet able to keep track of billions of transactions at any point in time while seamlessly calculating there percentage of profit in milliseconds at any time.

Unrealized to most is that small business will actually gain the most with passage of Federal legislation level the playing field. Now that my sales tax processing is automated paying the bookkeeper and accountant for basic costly sales tax processing is unnecessary.

Legacy tax systems are costly to states and businesses. Its time for everyone to move into the 21st Century.
05:48 PM on 12/01/2011
Look at who's buying online. This is another attack on the middle class. Get the tax money from the one's who can afford it and don't pay their fair share.
05:41 PM on 12/01/2011
The only way to do it is to have a national sales tax that is dispersed to the states. And then what if you buy from China directly. There is no VAT tax either. I think this will open a loophole for out of country online resellers. Then there is the issue of businesses with tax emempt status, either for non-profit or resale of goods. States have all their own rules for exemptions. What a mess this will be and it will cost retailers more than is collected.
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05:31 PM on 12/01/2011
our useless poiticians allways looking for a way to ripp off the folks with taxes and user fees
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08:29 AM on 12/02/2011
While stuffing their own pockets and those of their wealthy employers.
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05:27 PM on 12/01/2011
one of the things that i have been afraid of is the govenment getting their hands on the internet. this may be the foot in the door. once they get in your pocket, they never get out.