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Black Holes Billions Of Times The Size Of Sun Discovered (IMAGE)

MARCIA DUNN   12/ 5/11 05:01 PM ET   AP

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist – each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.

A team led by astronomers at the University of California, Berkeley, discovered the two gigantic black holes in clusters of elliptical galaxies more than 300 million light years away. That's relatively close on the galactic scale.

"They are monstrous," Berkeley astrophysicist Chung-Pei Ma told reporters. "We did not expect to find such massive black holes because they are more massive than indicated by their galaxy properties. They're kind of extraordinary."

The previous black hole record-holder is as large as 6 billion suns.

In research released Monday by the journal Nature, the scientists suggest these black holes may be the leftovers of quasars that crammed the early universe. They are similar in mass to young quasars, they said, and have been well hidden until now.

The scientists used ground-based telescopes as well as the Hubble Space Telescope and Texas supercomputers, observing stars near the black holes and measuring the stellar velocities to uncover these vast, invisible regions.

Black holes are objects so dense that nothing, not even light, can escape. Some are formed by the collapse of a super-size star. It's uncertain how these two newly discovered whoppers originated, said Nicholas McConnell, a Berkeley graduate student who is the study's lead author. To be so massive now means they must have grown considerably since their formation, he said.

Most if not all galaxies are believed to have black holes at their center. The bigger the galaxy, it seems, the bigger the black hole.

Quasars are some of the most energized and distant of galactic centers.

The researchers said their findings suggest differences in the way black holes grow, depending on the size of the galaxy.

Ma speculates these two black holes remained hidden for so long because they are living in quiet retirement – much quieter and more boring than their boisterous youth powering quasars billions of years ago.

"For an astronomer, finding these insatiable black holes is like finally encountering people nine feet tall whose great height had only been inferred from fossilized bones. How did they grow so large?" Ma said in a news release. "This rare find will help us understand whether these black holes had very tall parents or ate a lot of spinach."

Oxford University astrophysicist Michele Cappellari, who wrote an accompanying commentary in the journal, agreed that the two newly discovered black holes "probably represent the missing dormant relics of the giant black holes that powered the brightest quasars in the early universe."

One of the newly detected black holes weighs 9.7 billion times the mass of the sun. The second, slightly farther from Earth, is as big or even bigger.

Even larger black holes may be lurking out there. Ma said that's the million-dollar question: How big can a black hole grow?

The researchers already are peering into the biggest galaxies for answers.

"If there is any bigger black hole," Ma said, "we should be able to find them in the next year or two. Personally, I think we are probably reaching the high end now. Maybe another factor of two to go at best."

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Online:

Nature: http://www.nature.com/nature

This figure shows the immense size of the black hole discovered in the galaxy NGC 3842. NGC 3842, shown in the background image, is the brightest galaxy in a rich cluster of galaxies. The black hole is at its center and is surrounded by stars (shown as an artist's concept in the central figure). The black hole is seven times larger than Pluto's orbit. Our solar system (inset) would be dwarfed by it. (NOAO)
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
01:35 AM on 12/07/2011
Black Holes make perfect Christmas Gifts.
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:27 PM on 12/06/2011
I apologize to all for my terrible puns, but they have me in their power and keep pulling me in -- just when I get out, they keep pulling me back in...

I can't resist puns and I think of them as my pun-ishment for which I should be sent to the pun-itentiary

MEA CULPA!, MEA CULPA! (and Mia Farrow too) (sounds of being dragged away)...
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pkafin
01:49 PM on 12/07/2011
You have my sympathies...
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:06 PM on 12/06/2011
So basically, the universe is like a block of swiss cheese?
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AntithiChrist
Rhymes with Grist
12:15 PM on 12/07/2011
Essentially a big Cheddar-ball, with one side thinly layered in Gruyère and topped all over with crunchy sprinkles of asteroid.
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07:20 PM on 12/06/2011
The biggest "black hole' I've witnessed is----------------------our government. Our tax money keeps dissipearing and noone knows where it's going ???
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CropCircles
Fall down 7 times: stand up 8.
07:16 PM on 12/06/2011
Seeing is not believing.

Every time you look up at a clear sky in the dark of night, you are seeing the universe as it never was. The light from all of those stars left at different times in the past. Two stars that may appear to be side by side may no longer exist as both may have already exploded and dispersed into space. Star 1 may have come into being a billion years ago, may be 20 million light years away and exploded 10 million years ago. We just haven't gotten the light from the explosion yet. It is also possible that Star 2 came into being 1 million years ago, is 3,000 light years away and exploded 1,000 years ago. We would not have gotten the light from that explosion either. So those two stars in this example did not exist at the same time, yet our eyes not only suggest to us that they did, our eyes also tell us that they appear to be side by side. In the example it never happened that Star 1 and Star 2 existed at the same time, yet we plot our star maps as if those stars are really there where we see them. And so it is with all stars and other luminous bodies. We see the universe as it never was every time we look out at the sky on a clear night. It is impossible to see the universe as it is or ever was.
09:19 PM on 12/06/2011
"It is impossible to see the universe as it is or ever was. "

Unless, of course, one defines the "is-ness" as that which actually can be perceived, in which case the way it seems to be is exactly the way it is. "See" implies perception. Thus, what we "see" is indeed two stars that seem to be adjacent.
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:18 PM on 12/06/2011
Please mind your own bus-is-ness...
02:14 PM on 12/07/2011
The only problem with your theory is that any stars you can see with the naked eye would be in our quadrant of the milkyway galaxy. We can't see individual stars in other galaxies with the naked eye, or even stars that aren't in our quadrant of the galaxy, so the furthest star you can see with the naked eye will be no more than 50,000 light years away.
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cruzzer101
You don't have to be insane to be crazy.
06:10 PM on 12/06/2011
The biggest black hole of all: Washington D.C., our politicians - and our tax dollars disappearing down the 'black hole' that we can call "foreign deficit" - our own spending.

Good to know some things will keep on sucking long after we're gone . . .
07:19 PM on 12/06/2011
the problem is/this wont stop till we enact term limits
09:19 PM on 12/06/2011
"stop till we enact term limits"

Well, get to it. Do it today!
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IMRITENOTU
Awa an bile yer heid
05:20 PM on 12/06/2011
Blue Mooooons...You saw me standing alone~ without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own ;)
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belldn3
Fascinated by red polish on women
05:19 PM on 12/06/2011
Two moons colliding? Then they merged? Don't believe it.
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Mouse223
Tornado at your doorstep.
05:56 PM on 12/06/2011
.....Moons?
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belldn3
Fascinated by red polish on women
06:13 PM on 12/06/2011
Yes, moons. Two coming together and not forming a crack. How can you have two moons and no crack. Even today there is still no crack.
06:12 PM on 12/06/2011
Ummm... that's completely possible. In the early solar system there was plenty of debris.
06:16 PM on 12/06/2011
The moon wasn't all rocky material and it still isn't. You have molten rock and that thing called gravity which would cause the ejected material to fall back. It's really not hard to believe if you understand physics.
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belldn3
Fascinated by red polish on women
06:23 PM on 12/06/2011
So these two gigantic orbs collided and fused together? How fast would one be going on impact...........Just guessing, but I will say 25,000-30,000+mph, and they would merge? Ok. Hell, I don't really know, it's just hard for me to believe it. I'm thinking more of explosion, massive explosion than merging.
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hupale
05:18 PM on 12/06/2011
How long will it be before we start picking a brawl with our next door neighbor-planet in our Galaxy ?
06:21 PM on 12/06/2011
Unless we get an awesome leap forward in our space exploration, rough estimate would probably be 5 to 10 thousand years
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tynghedfen
Just a simple Welsh girl proud to be American
04:55 PM on 12/06/2011
Amazing simply amazing! What else can you say?
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Zephyra
04:28 PM on 12/06/2011
Perhaps we're merely a reflection of worlds on the other side?
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:14 PM on 12/06/2011
...and not only does Charlize Thereon have a great physic, but she is also a star...
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:16 PM on 12/06/2011
...but Charlize would never moon you...
04:19 PM on 12/06/2011
It says something about us, that so many have taken this amazing discovery as an opportunity to make racist comments.
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infinite array
Try not to stare too long into the abyss.
10:34 PM on 12/06/2011
And political comments. Of course, insults and cat pictures are the go-to response on the internet.
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
11:13 PM on 12/06/2011
My comment was not racist, only sexist...
04:14 PM on 12/06/2011
These are nothing compared to Kim Gashians.................
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blackwind
Relax, nothing is under control
04:13 PM on 12/06/2011
A diameter seven times pluto's orbit!
Even for astronomy, that's pretty bogglesome.
05:00 PM on 12/06/2011
I'm pretty the "times the size of the sun" does not refer to its diameter.
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blackwind
Relax, nothing is under control
05:37 PM on 12/06/2011
No, that's seven times the diameter of pluto's orbit, which is way bigger than the mere diameter of the sun. Check out the little diagram.
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nomadrdw
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05:51 PM on 12/06/2011
Huffpost does such a terrible job with science post.

the event horizon of the black hole is 7 times the diameter of Pluto, whereas the black hole itself is smaller than our Moon. the event horizon would be equivalent vaguely to the outermost reached of earths atmosphere, and that is actually all we can observe of the black hole, not the actual object itself.
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blackwind
Relax, nothing is under control
05:58 PM on 12/06/2011
Thanks for the clarification!
That does sound a little more real.
housecheck76
Knows Home
06:34 PM on 12/06/2011
According to the artical it shows the orbit of pluto fitting into the blackness of the whole 7 times...thats alot bigger that our moon...are you saying this is in error by that much?