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Hillary Clinton On Gay Rights Abroad: Secretary Of State Delivers Historic LGBT Speech In Geneva (VIDEO, FULL TEXT)

First Posted: 12/ 6/2011 3:34 pm Updated: 12/ 6/2011 4:17 pm

The following is a transcript of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's Human Rights Day speech, delivered today in Geneva. Text posted with permission from the White House Office of Communications:

Good evening, and let me express my deep honor and pleasure at being here. I want to thank Director General Tokayev and Ms. Wyden along with other ministers, ambassadors, excellencies, and UN partners. This weekend, we will celebrate Human Rights Day, the anniversary of one of the great accomplishments of the last century.

Beginning in 1947, delegates from six continents devoted themselves to drafting a declaration that would enshrine the fundamental rights and freedoms of people everywhere. In the aftermath of World War II, many nations pressed for a statement of this kind to help ensure that we would prevent future atrocities and protect the inherent humanity and dignity of all people. And so the delegates went to work. They discussed, they wrote, they revisited, revised, rewrote, for thousands of hours. And they incorporated suggestions and revisions from governments, organizations, and individuals around the world.

At three o'clock in the morning on December 10th, 1948, after nearly two years of drafting and one last long night of debate, the president of the UN General Assembly called for a vote on the final text. Forty-eight nations voted in favor; eight abstained; none dissented. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted. It proclaims a simple, powerful idea: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. And with the declaration, it was made clear that rights are not conferred by government; they are the birthright of all people. It does not matter what country we live in, who our leaders are, or even who we are. Because we are human, we therefore have rights. And because we have rights, governments are bound to protect them.

In the 63 years since the declaration was adopted, many nations have made great progress in making human rights a human reality. Step by step, barriers that once prevented people from enjoying the full measure of liberty, the full experience of dignity, and the full benefits of humanity have fallen away. In many places, racist laws have been repealed, legal and social practices that relegated women to second-class status have been abolished, the ability of religious minorities to practice their faith freely has been secured.

In most cases, this progress was not easily won. People fought and organized and campaigned in public squares and private spaces to change not only laws, but hearts and minds. And thanks to that work of generations, for millions of individuals whose lives were once narrowed by injustice, they are now able to live more freely and to participate more fully in the political, economic, and social lives of their communities.

Now, there is still, as you all know, much more to be done to secure that commitment, that reality, and progress for all people. Today, I want to talk about the work we have left to do to protect one group of people whose human rights are still denied in too many parts of the world today. In many ways, they are an invisible minority. They are arrested, beaten, terrorized, even executed. Many are treated with contempt and violence by their fellow citizens while authorities empowered to protect them look the other way or, too often, even join in the abuse. They are denied opportunities to work and learn, driven from their homes and countries, and forced to suppress or deny who they are to protect themselves from harm.

I am talking about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, human beings born free and given bestowed equality and dignity, who have a right to claim that, which is now one of the remaining human rights challenges of our time. I speak about this subject knowing that my own country's record on human rights for gay people is far from perfect. Until 2003, it was still a crime in parts of our country. Many LGBT Americans have endured violence and harassment in their own lives, and for some, including many young people, bullying and exclusion are daily experiences. So we, like all nations, have more work to do to protect human rights at home.

Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs. So I come here before you with respect, understanding, and humility. Even though progress on this front is not easy, we cannot delay acting. So in that spirit, I want to talk about the difficult and important issues we must address together to reach a global consensus that recognizes the human rights of LGBT citizens everywhere.

The first issue goes to the heart of the matter. Some have suggested that gay rights and human rights are separate and distinct; but, in fact, they are one and the same. Now, of course, 60 years ago, the governments that drafted and passed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights were not thinking about how it applied to the LGBT community. They also weren’t thinking about how it applied to indigenous people or children or people with disabilities or other marginalized groups. Yet in the past 60 years, we have come to recognize that members of these groups are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights, because, like all people, they share a common humanity.

This recognition did not occur all at once. It evolved over time. And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights.

It is violation of human rights when people are beaten or killed because of their sexual orientation, or because they do not conform to cultural norms about how men and women should look or behave. It is a violation of human rights when governments declare it illegal to be gay, or allow those who harm gay people to go unpunished. It is a violation of human rights when lesbian or transgendered women are subjected to so-called corrective rape, or forcibly subjected to hormone treatments, or when people are murdered after public calls for violence toward gays, or when they are forced to flee their nations and seek asylum in other lands to save their lives. And it is a violation of human rights when life-saving care is withheld from people because they are gay, or equal access to justice is denied to people because they are gay, or public spaces are out of bounds to people because they are gay. No matter what we look like, where we come from, or who we are, we are all equally entitled to our human rights and dignity.

The second issue is a question of whether homosexuality arises from a particular part of the world. Some seem to believe it is a Western phenomenon, and therefore people outside the West have grounds to reject it. Well, in reality, gay people are born into and belong to every society in the world. They are all ages, all races, all faiths; they are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes; and whether we know it, or whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends, and our neighbors.

Being gay is not a Western invention; it is a human reality. And protecting the human rights of all people, gay or straight, is not something that only Western governments do. South Africa’s constitution, written in the aftermath of Apartheid, protects the equality of all citizens, including gay people. In Colombia and Argentina, the rights of gays are also legally protected. In Nepal, the supreme court has ruled that equal rights apply to LGBT citizens. The Government of Mongolia has committed to pursue new legislation that will tackle anti-gay discrimination.

Now, some worry that protecting the human rights of the LGBT community is a luxury that only wealthy nations can afford. But in fact, in all countries, there are costs to not protecting these rights, in both gay and straight lives lost to disease and violence, and the silencing of voices and views that would strengthen communities, in ideas never pursued by entrepreneurs who happen to be gay. Costs are incurred whenever any group is treated as lesser or the other, whether they are women, racial, or religious minorities, or the LGBT. Former President Mogae of Botswana pointed out recently that for as long as LGBT people are kept in the shadows, there cannot be an effective public health program to tackle HIV and AIDS. Well, that holds true for other challenges as well.

The third, and perhaps most challenging, issue arises when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn't cultural; it's criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights.

In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing.

Of course, it bears noting that rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights. Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source. For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures.

The fourth issue is what history teaches us about how we make progress towards rights for all. Progress starts with honest discussion. Now, there are some who say and believe that all gay people are pedophiles, that homosexuality is a disease that can be caught or cured, or that gays recruit others to become gay. Well, these notions are simply not true. They are also unlikely to disappear if those who promote or accept them are dismissed out of hand rather than invited to share their fears and concerns. No one has ever abandoned a belief because he was forced to do so.

Universal human rights include freedom of expression and freedom of belief, even if our words or beliefs denigrate the humanity of others. Yet, while we are each free to believe whatever we choose, we cannot do whatever we choose, not in a world where we protect the human rights of all.

Reaching understanding of these issues takes more than speech. It does take a conversation. In fact, it takes a constellation of conversations in places big and small. And it takes a willingness to see stark differences in belief as a reason to begin the conversation, not to avoid it.

But progress comes from changes in laws. In many places, including my own country, legal protections have preceded, not followed, broader recognition of rights. Laws have a teaching effect. Laws that discriminate validate other kinds of discrimination. Laws that require equal protections reinforce the moral imperative of equality. And practically speaking, it is often the case that laws must change before fears about change dissipate.

Many in my country thought that President Truman was making a grave error when he ordered the racial desegregation of our military. They argued that it would undermine unit cohesion. And it wasn't until he went ahead and did it that we saw how it strengthened our social fabric in ways even the supporters of the policy could not foresee. Likewise, some worried in my country that the repeal of “Don't Ask, Don’t Tell” would have a negative effect on our armed forces. Now, the Marine Corps Commandant, who was one of the strongest voices against the repeal, says that his concerns were unfounded and that the Marines have embraced the change.

Finally, progress comes from being willing to walk a mile in someone else's shoes. We need to ask ourselves, "How would it feel if it were a crime to love the person I love? How would it feel to be discriminated against for something about myself that I cannot change?" This challenge applies to all of us as we reflect upon deeply held beliefs, as we work to embrace tolerance and respect for the dignity of all persons, and as we engage humbly with those with whom we disagree in the hope of creating greater understanding.

A fifth and final question is how we do our part to bring the world to embrace human rights for all people including LGBT people. Yes, LGBT people must help lead this effort, as so many of you are. Their knowledge and experiences are invaluable and their courage inspirational. We know the names of brave LGBT activists who have literally given their lives for this cause, and there are many more whose names we will never know. But often those who are denied rights are least empowered to bring about the changes they seek. Acting alone, minorities can never achieve the majorities necessary for political change.

So when any part of humanity is sidelined, the rest of us cannot sit on the sidelines. Every time a barrier to progress has fallen, it has taken a cooperative effort from those on both sides of the barrier. In the fight for women’s rights, the support of men remains crucial. The fight for racial equality has relied on contributions from people of all races. Combating Islamaphobia or anti-Semitism is a task for people of all faiths. And the same is true with this struggle for equality.

Conversely, when we see denials and abuses of human rights and fail to act, that sends the message to those deniers and abusers that they won’t suffer any consequences for their actions, and so they carry on. But when we do act, we send a powerful moral message. Right here in Geneva, the international community acted this year to strengthen a global consensus around the human rights of LGBT people. At the Human Rights Council in March, 85 countries from all regions supported a statement calling for an end to criminalization and violence against people because of their sexual orientation and gender identity.

At the following session of the Council in June, South Africa took the lead on a resolution about violence against LGBT people. The delegation from South Africa spoke eloquently about their own experience and struggle for human equality and its indivisibility. When the measure passed, it became the first-ever UN resolution recognizing the human rights of gay people worldwide. In the Organization of American States this year, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights created a unit on the rights of LGBT people, a step toward what we hope will be the creation of a special rapporteur.

Now, we must go further and work here and in every region of the world to galvanize more support for the human rights of the LGBT community. To the leaders of those countries where people are jailed, beaten, or executed for being gay, I ask you to consider this: Leadership, by definition, means being out in front of your people when it is called for. It means standing up for the dignity of all your citizens and persuading your people to do the same. It also means ensuring that all citizens are treated as equals under your laws, because let me be clear – I am not saying that gay people can’t or don’t commit crimes. They can and they do, just like straight people. And when they do, they should be held accountable, but it should never be a crime to be gay.

And to people of all nations, I say supporting human rights is your responsibility too. The lives of gay people are shaped not only by laws, but by the treatment they receive every day from their families, from their neighbors. Eleanor Roosevelt, who did so much to advance human rights worldwide, said that these rights begin in the small places close to home – the streets where people live, the schools they attend, the factories, farms, and offices where they work. These places are your domain. The actions you take, the ideals that you advocate, can determine whether human rights flourish where you are.

And finally, to LGBT men and women worldwide, let me say this: Wherever you live and whatever the circumstances of your life, whether you are connected to a network of support or feel isolated and vulnerable, please know that you are not alone. People around the globe are working hard to support you and to bring an end to the injustices and dangers you face. That is certainly true for my country. And you have an ally in the United States of America and you have millions of friends among the American people.

The Obama Administration defends the human rights of LGBT people as part of our comprehensive human rights policy and as a priority of our foreign policy. In our embassies, our diplomats are raising concerns about specific cases and laws, and working with a range of partners to strengthen human rights protections for all. In Washington, we have created a task force at the State Department to support and coordinate this work. And in the coming months, we will provide every embassy with a toolkit to help improve their efforts. And we have created a program that offers emergency support to defenders of human rights for LGBT people.

This morning, back in Washington, President Obama put into place the first U.S. Government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad. Building on efforts already underway at the State Department and across the government, the President has directed all U.S. Government agencies engaged overseas to combat the criminalization of LGBT status and conduct, to enhance efforts to protect vulnerable LGBT refugees and asylum seekers, to ensure that our foreign assistance promotes the protection of LGBT rights, to enlist international organizations in the fight against discrimination, and to respond swiftly to abuses against LGBT persons.

I am also pleased to announce that we are launching a new Global Equality Fund that will support the work of civil society organizations working on these issues around the world. This fund will help them record facts so they can target their advocacy, learn how to use the law as a tool, manage their budgets, train their staffs, and forge partnerships with women’s organizations and other human rights groups. We have committed more than $3 million to start this fund, and we have hope that others will join us in supporting it.

The women and men who advocate for human rights for the LGBT community in hostile places, some of whom are here today with us, are brave and dedicated, and deserve all the help we can give them. We know the road ahead will not be easy. A great deal of work lies before us. But many of us have seen firsthand how quickly change can come. In our lifetimes, attitudes toward gay people in many places have been transformed. Many people, including myself, have experienced a deepening of our own convictions on this topic over the years, as we have devoted more thought to it, engaged in dialogues and debates, and established personal and professional relationships with people who are gay.

This evolution is evident in many places. To highlight one example, the Delhi High Court decriminalized homosexuality in India two years ago, writing, and I quote, “If there is one tenet that can be said to be an underlying theme of the Indian constitution, it is inclusiveness.” There is little doubt in my mind that support for LGBT human rights will continue to climb. Because for many young people, this is simple: All people deserve to be treated with dignity and have their human rights respected, no matter who they are or whom they love.

There is a phrase that people in the United States invoke when urging others to support human rights: “Be on the right side of history.” The story of the United States is the story of a nation that has repeatedly grappled with intolerance and inequality. We fought a brutal civil war over slavery. People from coast to coast joined in campaigns to recognize the rights of women, indigenous peoples, racial minorities, children, people with disabilities, immigrants, workers, and on and on. And the march toward equality and justice has continued. Those who advocate for expanding the circle of human rights were and are on the right side of history, and history honors them. Those who tried to constrict human rights were wrong, and history reflects that as well.

I know that the thoughts I’ve shared today involve questions on which opinions are still evolving. As it has happened so many times before, opinion will converge once again with the truth, the immutable truth, that all persons are created free and equal in dignity and rights. We are called once more to make real the words of the Universal Declaration. Let us answer that call. Let us be on the right side of history, for our people, our nations, and future generations, whose lives will be shaped by the work we do today. I come before you with great hope and confidence that no matter how long the road ahead, we will travel it successfully together. Thank you very much.

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08:21 AM on 01/01/2012
Like Secretary Hillary Clinton's UN audience, I listened spell-bound. I couldn't believe this was really happening: the US Secretary of State defending Gay Rights before the UN in such a eloquent and dignified fashion! What a speech! It was rightly awarded with a standing ovation. Hillary Clinton courageously tackled prejudices and violence against LGBTs on every level, even the outrageous assumption that “gay equals pedophile”. She did even more: she promised, on behalf of the Obama administration, to fund the fight for LGBT Rights all over the world through their embassies. LGBTs could not wish for a better advocate on the international stage. Paraphrasing Neil Armstrong, Hillary Clinton’s courageous step may prove one giant leap for mankind in regard to Human Rights.
I'm still flabbergasted. To me this speech came totally out of the blue, just as Hillary Clinton's visit to the Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi. Historical events, indeed.
09:45 AM on 12/30/2011
Her husband is the one who signed The Defense of Marriage Act into law, which makes me wonder how truly gay friendly the Clintons are, or is this just a political move for her career?
03:51 PM on 01/08/2012
The Clintons, both, have always opted to protect homosexuals. Just because the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) didn't turn out to help doesn't mean that helping to protect homosexual human rights was not President Clinton's intention. In some ways, DOMA did help. In other ways, it was flawed. DOMA was a mistake. But, people who care make mistakes.

DOMA is not the objective of those who seek to protect human rights; Human Rights is the objective of those who seek to revoke DOMA. It is not sought for revocation as intentionally inflicting upon human rights, but because it only provides rights--it does, indeed, provide rights in this Act--by circumventing people's outward declaration of homosexuality as a human right.

DOMA is and was a mistake, but it was not a mistake in the scheme that it was a precursor to what was about to take place: that the U.S. military would finally abandon its anti-homosexuality policy of the past. DOMA was constructive to that end, despite its flaws. It was intended to be constructive to that end.
02:14 AM on 12/28/2011
I am as equally appalled by some of the comments on this site as I was encouraged by Hillary's speech.

How primative is parts of our society that homosexuality is boiled down to a sexual act, and God's will & judgment is used as a stick with which to beat?

As a gay Christian, the hope I have for my family is to be viewed as equal in this world in treatment and rights. The only choice I had to make was to be my authentic self or not - I'm able to live an authentic life and can only do so because of the support I have from my friends and family. I hope and pray that others not as blessed with a support system find the courage to be authentic, and are supported by the leadership and community around them.

I won't pretend to think I can change your religious beliefs, but the God I believe in loves all people and wants all people to find love and commitment in their own lives. And the country I believe in provides equal rights for myself and my family.
03:51 PM on 12/15/2011
If you believe you are born gay, and cannot be a learned behavior so it's ok to promote this agenda, if you believe a minority of the gay population is born this way and a majority is learned behavior, sexual behavior mainly, then promoting this is dangerous.
I think it should be accepted but in no way promoted; as for marriage goes, it's mainly a religious thing, so it should no be assumed that religions should accept it for gay marriage, however their should be an equal thing in the non religious arena giving gay couples the same rights.
I think everyone should follow what they beieve in without imposing it to others, I don't want to tell my children every gay person is born that way because I dont believe it's true, but rather some are for some it's learned behavior, curiosity or just physical.
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07:58 AM on 12/14/2011
It is always so much easier to spout off about other countries. American politicians are so odious.
10:36 AM on 12/14/2011
Huh? I think she gave both praise and criticism to many countries, including her own. Focus on the message she delivered and stop being so angry at whatever it is you are angry about.
10:44 PM on 12/11/2011
Violence is wrong because it is violence. The reason for violence is irrelevant.
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01:54 PM on 12/10/2011
We should seek to be NOT on the "right side of History" for "his"story shall pass away. Seek to be on the RIGHT SIDE of ETERNITY.
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06:35 PM on 12/10/2011
Oh, please. If only you spread the word of love and charity as much as you do the fire and brimstone.
05:21 PM on 12/11/2011
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... Thank you pb!
09:31 PM on 12/11/2011
I would "seek to be not" on the right side of either occasion.... I'm almost certain I would choose the left.....
12:04 PM on 12/10/2011
Good on Hillary for pushing this issue. I wish her voice hadn't been undercut by our own Congress voting for the NDAA which violates the UN Declaration of Human Rights articles: 5,6,7,8,9, & 10.
03:20 AM on 12/10/2011
I was so proud of Hilary Clinton for taking a stand. While the Republicans like Rick Perry are making attack adds that sound so draconian they could have been made 50 years ago, Hilary is stepping into the 21st century and shining a light on the ugliness and ignorance of using religion once again as a tool for persecution. If the Republicans regain the Presidency we will again become an embarrassment instead of a leader in human rights.
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02:00 PM on 12/10/2011
Religion -- Well, let me put it this way, Faith in The Lord Jesus Chirst is never a tool of persecution. But, the Gay Issue is the only issue that truly shows the difference between those souls that value the WILL OF THE FLESH more than the WILL OF GOD. Why? Because unlike color or nationality, sexuality is spiritual, it is carnal, it is an act, it is an emotion, it is a "feeling" it is an "affection" and this all boils down to those who find it more important to gratify and satisfy the affections and desires of their "self" higher and above than to satisy the order, the will, the purpose, the design and the heart of God. You will either find it glorious to SERVE GOD or you will find it inglorious. You will either find it GOOD to SERVE GOD or evil. And, what better way to serve The Lord than to bring your "members" i.e., sexual nature under Holy Submission to His Will. That's being a Living Sacrifice. Sadly more people value their sex lives and lusts more than God.
11:59 PM on 12/10/2011
Is sex all you think about? Your supposed heterosexu­ality surely has less to do with sexual gratificat­ion and more to do with how you view the world, your fellowmen, your God, your vocation, your family and everything else in your life. The same goes for people who are homosexual­. They also have faith, families, occupation­s while sex is only a small part of their beings. So maybe you need to put away your rod of judgment and do what the Lord Jesus Christ admonished us all to do by removing judgment from our own eye. Do you remember, or are you too blinded by hypocrisy to see it clearly:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but consideres­t not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

— Matthew 7:1-5
04:28 PM on 12/11/2011
Sadly, but bluntly, all this rhetoric is from no other source except for the likes of you and those like you that have to find SOME EXCUSE for not being able to get laid.....not by a man, or a woman!!
03:08 AM on 12/10/2011
I would personally like, spelled out for me, exactly what the "special rights" (rights which are over and above the rights of every other person on the planet) that gays are asking for? I keep hearing about a "gay agenda" and how gays are looking for "special rights" but as far as I can tell, the "gay agenda" is summed up in "equality" and when equality is reached, how can those rights possibly considered "special" when they are the same as everyone else's?
10:58 PM on 12/09/2011
I would just like to say that I have no problem with any religion denying gay marriage, nor do I think that every person should blindly accept that gay marriage should be allowed. I also don't believe that the government should be involved in marriage in any way; However, since it is, gay marriage should be protected as a basic human right by the government. As to the idea of equality in rights, that should also be protected by our basic founding principles in our country and our core beliefs as humans. We all want to live our lives safely and without persecution. If it was a crime for me to love my girlfriend, I cannot even fathom the terrible feelings I would have. As for the people who say they must persecute gays as part of their religion, shouldn't you be "not of this world" and therefore not care about the laws of mankind but only of God? God certainly wouldn't care if the laws on earth change. He isn't going to suddenly start allowing them into heaven. I am not religious. I am not gay. I simply believe in human rights.
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11:53 AM on 12/10/2011
Indeed, God's people are "not of this world" but, just because we do not live according to The World, does not mean that we are NOT to care nor be concerned about the way The World is moving agianst the WILL OF GOD. That is why we pray to The Father: "Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on EARTH as it is in Heaven."

The Lord Jesus Christ taught us to pray that GOD'S WILL BE DONE ON EARTH. Meaning, God is not happy and does indeed care when mankind and the nations are moving against HIS LAWS. For fact, and for this reason, it is clear in The Bible -- His Only Word and His Holy Word that "God will JUDGE THE NATIONS." Why? Because in reality the Nations' (i.e., "man's") laws are supposed to mirror and reflect His Laws. People always want to compare racism and slavery (as it was used supposedly in accordance with The Bible) as a means to justify immoral behaviors. But, The Bible is CLEAR, God put a curse upon Moses sister for hating his BLACK WIFE. Jesus Christ says plainly; "I have come to set the captive ("slaves") free and set at liberty them that are bruised."
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10:54 PM on 12/13/2011
Whatever, open the windows in your trailer,you need fresh air. Moses hated his "Black" wife, and put a curse, what was Moses.white? I bet you think Jesus was blonde ,blue eyed,and white also.
09:33 PM on 12/09/2011
The only thing that separates people is good and evil. Not color, or gender, or beliefs, or political preference, or anything else.
12:09 PM on 12/10/2011
Yet knowledge of "Good and Evil" was the original sin. These ideas that a PERSON can be good or evil rather then just ACTIONS which are helpful or harmful, is the first thing that makes us not live in a harmonious loving world. So perhaps nothing separates us at all, other then our misconceptions.
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02:08 PM on 12/10/2011
But, the World is evil and sinful and is not yet purged of sin. The Lord Jesus Christ came to redeem The World and to destroy the works of the Devil, but, you have to get into agreement with HIM and REPENT and RECEIVE HIM -- The Free Gift. That is why this world ultmately will be brought into HIS JUDGEMENT for the wicked deeds done in it. And, it shall pass away. Make no mistake. The World is enmity against God. Why? Because the World wants to do things "ITS WAY" instead of GOD'S WAY. But, there is a "way" that seem right unto man, but then end of it is death." Meaning, nothin good can come from going against God's way. Why? Because the results can only produce bad fruit. Why? Because except a man be BORN AGAIN IN JESUS CHRIST, his works are "bad" "corrupt" "wicked" and "evil."
08:20 PM on 12/09/2011
Could Hillary be the anti-Christ. Well, let's see, she's against Christ and His Bible. She is talking about world peace with respect to gays. She could very well be the one from Revelation! Well, thank God, because I cannot wait for Christ to come back. Gays, you should be happy about this because that means all the Evangelicals will disappear from the Earth, and you can enjoy life without us for a brief moment in time. But, enjoy it, because you know what the Bible says about God releasing his wrath upon the Earth. Praise be to GOD!! :-)
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02:39 AM on 12/10/2011
I am ever so grateful that the God of love, the message that Jesus lived, is lives in my soul, not the hateful one that lives in yours.
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11:56 AM on 12/10/2011
God is Love, But, GOD IS HOLY. Meaning, you can't just live how you wanna live and expect to enter into His Joy. We must give our ways, thoughts and lives over to Him. That is why The Lord Jesus Christ tells us plainly: "Let any man that follow after me, deny himself and take up his cross." To be a "living sacrifice." See, love is not that you get to do the will of your flesh. Love is because God gave His Son -- Jesus Christ -- The perfect sacrifice to cover our sins, that we in our gratitude and mutual live seek not our own, but His heart and Will for our lives, even and especially when it goes against the "natural grain" of our desires.
04:35 AM on 12/13/2011
amen to that!!!! i grew up with Evangelicals. it's so sad how they take the beautiful message of Jesus Christ who came to spread love, and turn it into an excuse to hate, judge, and discriminate against their brothers and sisters. GOD IS LOVE !!!! Praise be to LOVE!!
06:01 PM on 12/11/2011
Oh My God!!!! Now we have Hillary as the anti-Christ!!!! Give me a break!!!!
05:59 PM on 12/09/2011
Boy, did I hit the gay nerve or what.

So, I believe what I believe and that makes me wrong. You are gay so you are right.......

Hmmmmm ................ ok I understand now, only gay people know what is going on.

PS I did not make the rules....... just reminding those who have made a 'wrong' choice that black is still black and white is still white and all those shades of grey in between are man made. In other words.... choices based on the inability to function in the world of black and white.

Best wishes and Merry Christmas.

LOL
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AdamWest1313
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07:46 PM on 12/09/2011
Your post makes absolutely no sense. Go live in your narrow minded "black and white" world and leave reality to the rest of us.

You can come out when you've grown up.
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11:58 AM on 12/10/2011
But, The Lord Jesus Christ says: "My way is narrow. Broad, Wide is the way to destruction."
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09:10 PM on 12/09/2011
Some things aren't right or wrong based simply on what you choose to believe. If I slapped somebody, would it be okay because I believed it was okay? No! Of course believing in some things does make you wrong. What part of, "There is no tooth fairy." do you take issue with? Voicing an opinion that is contrary to what others say does not automatically make you right or wrong either. You lack the understanding that people can say different things, but that doesn't mean that everything said is of equal value. What is a gay nerve?

I haven't read your previous posts, but it is interesting that you sound like you are arguing against a black and white argument (gay people should have their rights protected) by claiming that grey is wrong. By the way, grey isn't automatically wrong. In fact, most adults see the world in shades other than black and white.

Your argument is strange from a cognitive development perspective. Most people can think more abstractly around the age of 11. This is when things start to be more grey and less black and white. You seem to be attacking anybody who has this capability which is most adults.

What makes one laugh out loud when they say "Best wishes and Merry Christmas."? Are you mocking Christmas? I'm okay with that, but it doesn't strike me as funny. Maybe I missed the lead up to the punchline.
03:53 PM on 12/09/2011
Hey all you folks out there who insist that loving the same or opposite sex is a choice... That is referred to as being bisexual. I can only assume that you are bisexual and have chosen to give your love only to the opposite sex. I don't care who your choice to love is... Why do you care about mine?
11:17 PM on 12/09/2011
Ronnie, you fall into a trap by saying it is a choice. The whole basis for equality is based on the idea that one is born with the genes and has no choice. By definition, if you make a choice it means that you could go either way. Then, by definition you are not actually gay. I couldn't care less about your choice so long as you never prey on youngsters who might be harmed or wrongly influenced. Yes, I know that Gays claim to never do that, I have had experiences to the contrary. (I have never fallen for it)
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AdamWest1313
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12:41 AM on 12/10/2011
That is not exactly true. The basis for equality is further supported by it not being a choice, but even if it was it would still exist, simply because it does not harm anyone and marriage is a right in this country.
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11:59 AM on 12/10/2011
Sexuality is always a choice. You can choose to be sexual or not. Separate and apart from your feelings and desires. You can still choose to deny your flesh of its wants and be a living sacrifice unto God.