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Jon Huntsman: Climate Change Science 'Not Enough' For US Action

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First Posted: 12/ 6/2011 4:22 pm Updated: 12/ 6/2011 5:23 pm

Jon Huntsman, the former Utah governor and current Republican presidential candidate, earned accolades from environmental advocates earlier this year for denouncing his fellow presidential contenders -- chiefly Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann -- for their regressive views on matters of science, including human-induced global warming.

"When you make comments that fly in the face of what 98 out of 100 climate scientists have said, when you call into question the science of evolution -- " said Huntsman during an early September debate. "All I'm saying is that in order for the Republican party to win, we can't run from science."

Now it appears that Huntsman, a former U.S. ambassador to China who has been trailing badly in the polls, is recalibrating his own thoughts on the science behind global warming.

At an event hosted by the conservative Heritage Foundation on Tuesday, Huntsman was asked whether he believed that human beings are "significantly or primarily contributing to the earth's warming climate," and if so, what policies he would put in place to address the issue.

"The scientific community owes us more in terms of a better description or explanation about what might lie beneath all of this," Huntsman responded, "but there's not enough information right now to be able to formulate policies in terms of addressing it overall -- primarily because it's a global issue. We can enact policies here, but I wouldn't want to unilaterally disarm as a country. I wouldn't want to hinder job creators during a time when our economy is flat."

Tim Miller, a spokesman for Huntsman, said in an email, "Governor Huntsman's comments today are consistent with his view that he trusts the body of science on global warming, but there's not global consensus and we can't disarm or hurt our job creators since this is a global problem."

Huntsman's finessing of his message comes against the backdrop of global climate talks in Durban, South Africa, where delegates are struggling to find a way forward on a variety of proposals to curb greenhouse gas emissions and help poor nations deal with the impacts of climate change. Chief among the obstacles to progress in Durban is lack of consensus among major emitters of the industrialized world -- principally the United States -- and the rising industrial powers of the developing world, including India, Brazil, South Africa and China.

Among other things, U.S. negotiators want to establish a clear, unconditional pathway for countries like China to come under emissions restrictions before any talk of a long-term climate treaty can move forward.

"When you've got other nations that are major emitters, and if they not willing to play by the same playbook," Huntsman said Tuesday, "then you've got a real problem."

Later in the discussion, a reporter asked Huntsman whether he supported the current U.S. goal, which President Obama endorsed at the Copenhagen climate conference two years ago, of reducing domestic emissions by 17 percent over 2005 levels by 2020.

"Our goals need to follow some recognition of science by all the major emitters, and I'm not sure that's the case today, and therefore our goals become a little problematic," Huntsman replied. "We can pursue goals and have remedies in terms of how we're gong to achieve those goals, but if we're reading from a different scientific text than the Chinese or than, say, the Indians, then I think we're going to come up with different policy fixes that might make our own journey more onerous than that the Chinese might be taking, and it might debilitate economic recovery in this country or hobble job creators and I think that would be a very bad outcome."

China has recently signaled that, with some preconditions, it would be willing to commit to a binding treaty that comes into force after 2020, though it remains unclear whether this will advance negotiations in Durban.

Substantial scientific evidence does suggest that the planet is warming and that human beings are contributing to it.

A study published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, for example, reviewed the publication and citation data of 1,372 of the globe's most frequently published climate researchers. It found that virtually all -- between 97 and 98 percent -- of them were found to support the basic notion of anthropogenic climate change, or climate change that is attributable to human activity.

The basic science is also accepted and supported by most of the nation's most venerable scientific institutions, including the National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Geological Society of America, among others.

In August, Huntsman even invoked the National Academy of Sciences in scolding the Republican Party for embracing anti-science positions on matters like evolution and climate change.

"The minute that the Republican Party becomes the anti-science party, we have a huge problem," he told an interviewer. "We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Sciences has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position."

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Speaking at the Pittsburgh Consol Energy Center in October, Romney expressed doubts that climate change is caused by humans. "My view is that we don't know what's causing climate change on this planet," he said, "And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us."

Previously, the former governor had expressed markedly different views on the issue. At a June town hall, he said, "I believe the world's getting warmer...I believe that humans contribute to that, because I know that there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past but I believe we contribute to that. And so I think it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases..."

A larger opposition file from 2008 documents larger flip-flops from Romney on the issue of climate change. According to a Politico report, it also appears that some green backers of the Romney campaign are banking on him returning to the center on environmental issues either during the general, or if he gets elected president.
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Robert Lee Harrington
I'd Love To Change The World..
02:27 AM on 12/14/2011
Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.

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freerangevoter
Live Free or Raise Hell
11:37 PM on 12/12/2011
China will never cow-tow to the globalists because the Chinese leaders can take all the graft they want from their people without trying to hoodwink them into "Cap and Trade" and other money making schemes.

On a related note, I'd pay $10,000 to watch Al Gore try to shake Putin down :)
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safehaven5
11:23 PM on 12/12/2011
can you say FLIP FLOP ,,,,,,, FLIP FLOP
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safehaven5
11:21 PM on 12/12/2011
They will all say what ever they need to to win favor with their party, no matter how stupid it sounds, you have to say what they want you to say if you want to be a part of the party.
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12:32 AM on 12/13/2011
obama understands this well.
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safehaven5
11:19 PM on 12/12/2011
do people think that that black sludge, called oil, will just disapear when it is burned?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
09:49 PM on 12/10/2011
U.S. National Academy of Sciences (2010):
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Human activities are influencing climate. As discussed in the following chapters, scientific evidence that the Earth is warming is now overwhelming. There is also a multitude of evidence that this warming results primarily from human activities, especially burning fossil fuels and other activities that release heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere. Projections of future climate change indicate that Earth will continue to warm unless significant and sustained actions are taken to limit emissions of GHGs.

Increasing temperatures and GHG concentrations are driving a multitude of related and interacting changes in the Earth system, including decreases in the amounts of ice stored in mountain glaciers and polar regions, increases in sea level, changes in ocean chemistry, and changes in the frequency and intensity of heat waves, precipitation events, and droughts. These changes in turn pose significant risks to both human and ecological systems. Although the details of how the future impacts of climate change will unfold are not as well understood as the basic causes and mechanisms of climate change, we can reasonably expect that the consequences of climate change will be more severe if actions are not taken to limit its magnitude and adapt to its impacts.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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11:39 PM on 12/10/2011
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e) 11 of the world's 14 largest publicly traded corporations have greenhouse gas mitigation programs, including Walmart (conservative Waltons), along with 73% of America's 500 largest corporations. While the other top 3 includes Berkshire Hathaway and two Communist Chinese banks, all of whom are major coal investors;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/weather-extremes-climate-change_n_1137587_122593388.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/weather-extremes-climate-change_n_1137587_122592277.html

f) The Dept. of Defense, CIA, and Billionaires with net worth 1/3rd $Trillion have publicly stated beliefs in man-made global warming, along with 200 more CEOS, and investment groups controlling $20 Trillion.

http://www.defense.gov/qdr/images/QDR_as_of_12Feb10_1000.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/center-on-climate-change-and-national-security.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15352764
http://investorsonclimatechange.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/2011-Investor-Global-Statement.pdf
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dhsm 64
02:33 PM on 12/10/2011
Why don't all you people go to the internet and type in "Cern global warming experiment" You will find out that the world's most renowned physicists have proven by experiment by simulation and not models as in all global warming hyperbole! that the "SUN" is in fact the major contributor to cloud seeding such that solar maximums and minimums have a profound effect on climate. The issue however has been so demagogued that even the results were put out for "Others" to make their own determination as to the validity. Imagine a valid scientific experiment and yet because of PC even Cern is loathe to make a statement as to the results. Now consensus you say! Well know this, it was consensus that the earth was flat for a millenium, consensus that it was a geocentric solar system for millenium etc, Many astute observers were put to death, tortured tormented or under house arrest as a result. Consensus has no basis in scientifc method. Has anyone ever said as to how and what is to be done if in fact man is causing global warming and we tip the scale the other way.How do you tweak the balance back the other way, start burning more coal,oil,lignite etc. This is riduclous dogma and borders on absolute arrogance on man's part that he can manipulate the climate at will! Research Cern!
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
04:34 PM on 12/10/2011
Looks like another troll has just signed up today to try his hand at disrupting the community. By the nature of your comments you have zero understanding of what the physics has said. Your post also demonstrates little knowledge of the solar activity. For example, the entire solar output varies by less than a tenth of one percent. How is that having a profound effect on anything?

Science question for you dhsm. You claim a profound effect from the results of CERN. What is that effect and how does it work? You really have no answer do you? All hot air, yes?

I am quite certain you can't even name the first author of the CERN CLOUD experiment, can you?
Yet here you are spreading lies and innuendo far and wide, like denier trolls do.

dhsm: "even Cern is loathe to make a statement as to the results"

Another lie. The results were published in a scientific paper. Deniers feel free to lie about this sort of thing because deniers never trouble themselves with the science.

The clueless denier community has taken this and run with it so far and wide that CERN has felt compelled to issue a public statement on it. The CERN press release on cosmic rays:

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/downloads/CLOUD_SI_press-briefing_29JUL11.pdf

And your solution is to burn more coal and oil? Irresponsible sensationalism. Flagged.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
09:50 PM on 12/10/2011
Meanwhile, back in the reality-based community here is what the CERN actually says about their own study:

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"We have found that natural rates of atmospheric ionisation caused by cosmic rays can substantially enhance nucleation under the conditions we studied... This result leaves open the possibility that cosmic rays could also influence climate. However, it is premature to conclude that cosmic rays have a significant influence on climate until the additional nucleating vapours have been identified, their ion enhancement measured, and the ultimate effects on clouds have been confirmed."

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/downloads/CLOUD_SI_press-briefing_29JUL11.pdf

Moreover there is no viable correlation between cosmic rays and the observed global warming over recent decades, which is to say even if cosmic rays were to someday be shown to affect climate they cannot explain the observed global warming over recent decades in any event.

http://ulysses.sr.unh.edu/NeutronMonitor/Misc/neutron2.html
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/10/1885/2010/acp-10-1885-2010.html

Science denier rhetoric is stupefying.
03:01 PM on 12/09/2011
Are we ever going to get a candidate with balls!? Balls to stand up for what is right despite the fact it goes against their financial backing? Someone to stand up against protecting the rich, the big companies and not worried about where their next ‘meal’ comes from and how ‘stuffed’ they get? Does no one have integrity in this world anymore!? I’m sorry, but does anyone feel the sense of despair I do? Despair over my future and that of the world? It’s just so sad…
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sophie M
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02:46 PM on 12/09/2011
well at least i know now........Huntsman is just like the rest of them.
11:50 AM on 12/09/2011
Global warming strikes me as a religious fanatic's fear. But I'm willing to bet big bangers and evolutionists believe we are irreversably destroying the earth causing global climate change. Remember, the earth has been around for billions of years, hit by huge meteors that totally changed our climate, and the earth bounced back just fine. We are using elements found and synthesized here, meteors bring in completely alien elements and the earth was able to filter them and continue running. I'd imagine scientists would be exited to see the new species a new climate brings. Or are you all afraid you're going to die?
Yes, toxic waste destroys an area, so we should be mindful of what we are doing. If anything, what we're doing kills us off and the Earth continues on, new species evolve and inhabit the earth in a slightly different atmosphere.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
04:39 PM on 12/10/2011
aspletter, would you be concerned if you knew the world might warm by an average of ten degrees by the end of the century? Have you noticed an awful lot of unusual and severe weather around the world recently? And so far the temperature has risen only a degree or so within our lifetime?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
09:52 PM on 12/10/2011
"Global warming strikes me as a religious fanatic's fear."

Q. Why can't science deniers understand the difference between science and religion?

A. Because they are science deniers, of course.
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08:31 AM on 12/09/2011
Why is Huntsman still attempting to appeal to his constituents? He has already been writting off as crazy (becuase he's too sane) by the other front runners. I honestly dont believe that any of republican front runners believe half of the nonsense they spew--that would seem like good news except they are appearing to be dimwits to appeal to millions of other dimwits who would never elected them otherwise. That is the scary Part.
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4plaintruth
Mid age Progressive/Liberal
04:56 AM on 12/09/2011
How patriotic & American is it to deny what you know is true? That not only our weather has become severe, but flora is suffering & dying. Acid rain has destroyed many acres of trees- scientific fact. It's scandalous & treasonous to try to sell the idea to the people that it's nonsense. Because you want the $ from Big Oil, you've sold your fellow citizens down the river of disease & death. This has no price, and shows the morally corrupt person you are. Denying truth is costing lives & will be costing more lives & all those who have sold us out for $- our blood is on your hands. Remember that! None of you should be called human beings, let alone run for President!!!
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Bring on that War on Women, GOP! I'm game.
02:48 PM on 12/09/2011
Your last sentence said it all. Most of these candidates (or is it all of them?) have children. They have literally sold their kids' futures.

Imagine you're the beneficiary of a trust fund, and you inherit the use of a big house for your lifetime--but the catch is that you must hand it down to your descendants. But there's no stipulation that you have to pass it on in the same shape you found it, which actually was fairly decent. This would be a no-brainer for a Republican: first sell the furniture--except for your own, of course; burn down a wing for the insurance money and don't rebuild; sell the fixtures; and eventually take out all the copper plumbing as that's fetching a good price nowadays. Needless to say, normal homeowner maintenance would be a pipedream, and as you near your demise, the place looks like hell and is barely a shell of the house you first moved into, but who the hell cares. Your kids' problem.

You know, we inherited the country from what is known as "The Greatest Generation." We have failed at managing this country miserably, and at the rate things are going, it's going to be a miracle if young people are even literate. But that we will also pass on a planet which atmosphere is almost spiralled out of control is another issue entirely.
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Robert Lee Harrington
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01:32 PM on 12/08/2011
The last honest and sane Republican has sold out to Big Oil for campaign contributions and left the building. Please turn out the lights and take down the flag
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sophie M
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02:44 PM on 12/09/2011
exactly.
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safehaven5
11:23 PM on 12/12/2011
and wear flip flops out the door,,,,,lol
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tomjefferson2005
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03:49 AM on 12/08/2011
What a disappointment. Huntsmen is looking more like his fellow Republican clowns, all for the sake of higher polling numbers. And many of us thought he was different than the flip-flopper Romney.
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03:49 AM on 12/08/2011
We're in a tunnel, and we see a light coming toward us - but we can't be sure it's actually train coming right at us, so we shouldn't do anything until it's close enough that we all can see it.

Yeah... good idea.
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
12:43 PM on 12/08/2011
Obviously, the right step is to tie our shoelaces together, amirite?
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06:23 PM on 12/08/2011
I think you nailed the Republican plan.
leftcoastindy
Where did I put my MOJO
01:24 PM on 12/08/2011
Who ya gonna believe? The thousands (13?) of emails that climate scientists accidently send saying no trains are scheduled (our numbers are messed up), or your lying eyes?