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Gay Engagement: Which Etiquette Rules Apply?

Gay Engagement

First Posted: 12/08/11 11:17 AM ET Updated: 12/08/11 12:12 PM ET

Rosie O'Donnell confirmed Monday that she is engaged to her girlfriend, New York City-based headhunter Michelle Rounds. The talk show host proposed to Rounds with a classic diamond ring.

O'Donnell hasn't said whether or not she will wear an engagement ring, too -- but she might. That's the thing about same-sex engagements, experts say: there are no established norms about who should propose or who gets to wear a ring, since sex-based etiquette rules don't apply.

"Same-sex couples have the freedom to create their own customs, which is what makes it so exciting," Joseph Alexander, founder of same-sex wedding planning firm Gay Ever After, told HuffPost Weddings. "Couples are not bound by the so-called 'typical wedding traditions' where a groom would propose to his bride."

Since legal same-sex marriage is so new in the U.S., fewer engagement rules have developed for couples to follow. So it comes as no surprise that gays and lesbians are taking traditionally heterosexual wedding traditions -- such as formal proposals and ring-wearing -- and reshaping them to form new and individually relevant marriage customs.

"One of the wonderful things about same-sex relationships is that our wedding norms and traditions are developing and unfolding with each new engagement," says Kathryn Hamm, president of GayWeddings.com. "We find that each couple embarks on an engagement or designs a wedding ceremony in ways which best represent them as a couple, rather than according to rules as to how it should go."

Like most heterosexual spouses, gay and lesbian couples often choose to wear engagement and wedding rings. But since many same-sex partners held commitment ceremonies long before gay marriage was made legal in some U.S. states, they often already wear symbolic "wedding" bands.

Michele Kort, co-editor of the forthcoming book of essays "Here Come the Brides!: Reflections on Lesbian Love and Marriage," says the concept of wearing rings isn't foreign to lesbian couples. "Lesbians have long worn matching rings, way before legal gay marriage," so they're more likely to both wear engagement rings, Kort says.

Unlike with heterosexual couples, where -- thanks largely to the diamond industry's advertising machine -- a diamond ring is almost always expected to accompany a marriage proposal, there aren't many norms dictating the "right kind" of engagement ring in same-sex relationships. "Most couples, at least those with whom we work, really seem to focus on creating meaningful rings and true symbols of their relationships," says Hamm.

"I think lesbians would be more flexible than just the standard diamond," Kort says. "I think [they] would tend to look for symbolic images or designs, perhaps."

Hamm wonders if same-sex couples' tendency to define their own wedding rules will spill over into mainstream heterosexual wedding planning. She asks: "[Has] the LGBT community's openness to taking the best of wedding rituals and re-purposing them for our own commitment and marriage ceremonies ... actually impacted, shaped and changed the way that heterosexual couples are now approaching their engagements, wedding rituals and ring wearing?" Given the recent trend of straight couples bucking traditional wedding etiquette rules (think the rise of DIY and "indie"-style weddings), Hamm might not be so far off.

Still, despite the flexibility to choose the best ring to represent a couple's relationship -- and despite the heteronormativity of most diamond advertising -- a giant rock is still mandatory for some gay and lesbian couples.

"Generally speaking, there are fewer expectations in place, but this is changing," Hamm says. "There are plenty of gay men and lesbians who have wandered ... into a jewelry store hoping to purchase the perfect stunning ring for their beloved one."

Alexander says that ring expectations differ from couple to couple: "Some may choose exquisite diamond rings, while some may opt for a simple, platinum band. I have even seen two women that chose to have rings tattooed around their finger instead of wearing traditional jewelry."

When it comes to who should propose, experts say it all depends on the pair: "It's probably the person who's the most eager and the least afraid of rejection!" Kort told HuffPost Weddings. "But I wonder, in couples when one person is more financially dependent on the other, if it's the person with the most finances that proposes?"

In O'Donnell and Rounds' case, Kort says, "I'd guess that Rosie's wealth and status -- and, probably, her more dominant personality -- might suggest that she would propose."

"I've seen many cases in same-sex relationships where there is a more dominant person in the relationship, but I have worked with heterosexual couples where the woman proposed to the man," Alexander adds. "Love is love and no one has to abide by typical customs."

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Rosie O'Donnell confirmed Monday that she is engaged to her girlfriend, New York City-based headhunter Michelle Rounds. The talk show host proposed to Rounds with a classic diamond ring. O'Donnell...
Rosie O'Donnell confirmed Monday that she is engaged to her girlfriend, New York City-based headhunter Michelle Rounds. The talk show host proposed to Rounds with a classic diamond ring. O'Donnell...
 
 
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12:51 AM on 12/16/2011
I'm gay and I am in love. I told my boyfriend that I am ready to get married but he's not ready yet. So I told him I would wait for him to propose to me. We cannot get married in our state at this time but it will not stop us from getting married. We will take our money and family to Canada or another state to get married if Washington fails to legalize marriage.
08:08 AM on 10/17/2012
how depressing, needing to pack up and leave your whole state just to do a silly ritual with your loved one. you'd be more than welcome in my hometown of toronto where gay people don't need to do a journey to announce their love.

all i have to say is keep YOUR sanctity out of MY marriage.
07:17 PM on 12/12/2011
Why don't Rose shave off her hair and look more butch. I think she would look better that way instead of dressing like a woman. OMG I just threw up on my keyboard!!
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sherblakely
09:43 AM on 12/09/2011
There is no rule for proposals. I feel that person who has stronger role in household, tends to propose her or him.
07:20 PM on 12/08/2011
I am a Marriage Proposal Planner for The Heart Bandits and I say anything goes. There are no rules of who should propose to who.
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AlaskanWannaB
BIG BIRD to Mittens: You're FIRED!!!
07:17 PM on 12/08/2011
Personally, I don't understand why adults continue to marry over and over and over and over. Wouldn't it be simple not to marry? Looking at all the heterosexual relationships and the subsequent divorces and breakups. Why would anyone marry more than once. Rich people can afford to do it....but it financially straps one of the parties in lower income brackets. Rosie...don't do it....AGAIN. Are people really that scared or insecure or lonely.....being single?
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Bruce Barron
06:54 PM on 12/08/2011
there are no rules because this is disorder. rules for fools. All you need is 2 dicks and 2 vaginas for this so called heavenly bliss here and now because this is probably the only place you will find it or get it.
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ethelmertzrules
Repetition doesn't make it true
05:17 PM on 12/08/2011
I don't see any need to establish norms or make rules regarding same sex engagements. Don't we have enough stupid rules about everything else?
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Bruce Barron
04:38 PM on 12/08/2011
There are no rules for fools
01:56 PM on 12/08/2011
My fiance and I are doing Titanium rings because we saw a post on Zankyou.com. They are like the only wedding blog with a same-sex couples section that caters to us.
01:02 PM on 12/08/2011
Why are rules necessary? Two adults are presumably capable of working out an arrangement for themselves that suits their needs without a one-size-fits-all social template. The only etiquette needed is to be respectful and loving... however that gets expressed for the couple involved.
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PublicCitizen21044
The truth will set you free!
12:38 PM on 12/08/2011
Rosie you look happy and self satisfied. You have seemed so troubled and self injurious in the past that I was praying for your tortured soul. I think you are a brave soul to put yourself out there for public consumption as you are a leader in the field when it comes to high profile gay media figures. You are a real trooper and even though I am not a gay person I admire your courage to stand out from the crowd and your daring to be yourself and dare anyone to try to marginalize you as a women or as a gay individual. Go Rosie! Oh about the etiquette thing, just do as you please you broke the mold a long time ago and no rules can dictate to a free willed spirit in flesh,so Rosie do it anyway you want to do it for that is what a trendsetter does best!!!!!
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08:56 AM on 12/09/2011
Rosie has done so much and has copped so much hate from the worst kind of people. She is a goddess and has not got her recognition for all her bravery as a pioneer in many areas. Rosie was the first person brave enough to question certain things and she was and still is crucified. Bravo to Rosie!
07:53 PM on 12/12/2011
How interesting..Brave sole, goodness? One thing nice about her being lisbian. She won't procreate.
07:49 PM on 12/12/2011
OhhhMG I just puked on my keyboard after reading that! You owe me a new keyboard PublicCitizen.
11:44 PM on 01/17/2012
Just go read something else and quit trying to get attention with all your histrionics and poor spelling - no one will miss you
05:14 PM on 01/18/2012
Rosie needs a good old fasiond BF from one of her gay men friends. Maybe that will straighten her out.
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Little Spoon
22. Gay. Currently Serving in the Military.
12:37 PM on 12/08/2011
I want to write the Etiquette Rules!

Tops propose to Bottoms!

If they're versatile the person with more Facial and/or Body HAIR proposes and if the race is too close it will be decided by wrestling match. Under the sheets.

Don't think about too long, just go with it.

As for lesbians...

The person with the larger income I guess...
Shrug, I have no idea...

~Little Spoon
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ethelmertzrules
Repetition doesn't make it true
05:18 PM on 12/08/2011
LOL what about switches?
11:08 PM on 02/07/2013
Not really sure on this one, but I am the top to make the proposal to the other (and this is someting I am doing in the next day). Let's just all make two same-sex couples have the same as 'everyone' rights, does it really hurt anyone else? What does that say to the one I love? I love them but what we share is not the same. Please let's stop this. Thank you.
DrWolf927
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11:57 AM on 12/08/2011
Whoever does the asking, would present the token of engagement (whether a ring, pin, or pendant, etc). I like the idea that each person would wear some sort of engagement token, but sometimes traditions stick whether they're repurposed or not. I suppose it's like dancing, whenever possible, whoever's taller leads.
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ethelmertzrules
Repetition doesn't make it true
05:19 PM on 12/08/2011
No. Couples should behave in whatever way suits them.