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Global Climate Talks In Durban Avert Failure, If Not Global Warming

Climate Conference 2011

First Posted: 12/11/11 01:59 PM ET Updated: 12/11/11 02:15 PM ET

The official theme of the recently concluded United Nations climate conference in Durban, South Africa -- the 17th such meeting since national governments committed to combating climate change in 1992 -- was "Working Together, Saving Tomorrow Today." But while a rough accord was ironed out at the 11th hour in Durban, there remained some disagreement over what it means, and whether the contentious two-week meeting lived up to its ambitious motto.

Some environmental groups saw the agreement as being far less ambitious than what is needed to curb rising temperatures and prevent the potentially devastating impacts of a substantially warmer planet.

"While governments avoided disaster in Durban, they by no means responded adequately to the mounting threat of climate change," Alden Meyer, the director of strategy and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said in a statement issued from the Durban talks. "The decisions adopted here fall well short of what is needed. It's high time governments stopped catering to the needs of corporate polluters, and started acting to protect people."

"These talks started with low-level ambitions, and they achieved what at best could be described as baby steps in the right direction," said Kumi Naidoo, the executive director of Greenpeace International, in a phone call from Durban. "But it is an agreement that is out of touch with the urgency on the ground, and one that fails to reflect the sort of ambition that the situation calls for."

But others saw a victory, however modest, snatched from the jaws of defeat -- particularly given the rancorous tenor of the talks and what at times seemed the almost impossible task of getting 194 nations to agree on anything.

"We really were on the brink of total disaster here," said Andrew Light, a senior fellow and director of international climate policy at the Center for American Progress. "We almost saw the complete collapse of everything that's been accomplished in this process since 1992."

After negotiating into the early hours Sunday, delegates ultimately overcame some of the more vexing disagreements that had threatened to derail the talks completely. Chief among these was agreeing to pursue an entirely new climate accord that would bring all nations under greenhouse gas restrictions, with an aim of hammering out such an accord by 2015.

The U.N.'s original climate compact divided the globe into rich nations and poor ones, seeking binding emissions restrictions only for nations of means. But the United States -- the largest emitter among developed nations -- had entered the negotiations in Durban insisting that developing nations with substantial economies like China and India were responsible for huge and growing amounts of global emissions themselves. In that light, American negotiators steadfastly refused to discuss a future compact unless a goal was set for creating a system that would eventually bind all nations to some sort of emissions cuts.

China overtook the United States in overall emissions in 2007. Some analysts suggest that China could be the largest cumulative emitter of greenhouse gases by mid-century.

After hours of niggling over language in Durban -- including parsing the differences between terms like "legally binding" and "legal force" -- India, China and other nations among the developing bloc agreed, along with all other U.N. member nations, to negotiate "a protocol, legal instrument or legal outcome" by which all nations would be bound by some sort of emissions restrictions. The parties agreed to begin pursuing the agreement in earnest in the first half of 2012, with an aim toward having a final document by 2015.

Nations would then begin the long process of signing and ratifying the pact, which would likely not go into effect until a certain percentage of nations representing a certain percentage of global emissions had done so. Delegates agreed to a goal of having the document "come into effect and be implemented from 2020."

That nearly decade-long path forward -- as well as the linguistic jujitsu that led to dropping the term "legally binding" from the Durban agreement -- left some critics decrying the talks as producing too little and increasingly, too late.

"I think the real people who won here, the ones who will be celebrating today, are the major polluting corporations of the world," Naidoo said, "because they will essentially be able to continue with business as usual."

Naidoo described the current climate regime as "nothing more than a voluntary deal that's put off for a decade." That, he said, threatens to take the world well over the 2-degree Celsius uptick in temperatures -- compared to pre-industrial levels -- that scientists generally agree is the threshold for preserving the planet's delicate ecosystems and avoiding some of the worse potential impacts of climate change.

The Climate Action Tracker project, a joint scientific effort of the German non-profit Climate Analytics and the renewable energy consultancy EcoFys, issued a statement on Sunday declaring that despite the Durban agreement, the world remained on track to see well over a 3-degrees Celsius rise in average temperatures by the end of the century. Such an outcome could mean a possible "dieback" of the Amazon rainforest, destruction of coral reefs, loss of Greenland ice sheets and other effects.

"At best this was about saving face," said Naidoo, who was ejected from the conference on Friday after protesting the lack of progress. "It was not about saving the planet and saving and securing our children's and our grandchildren's future."

But Light and other observers said that such grievances fail to appreciate the accomplishments of the Durban talks.

"What would you rather have, no language whatsoever, or this?" Light said, adding that the agreement at Durban continues to recognize and aspire to the 2-degree limit.

The consensus on negotiating a new climate pact also provided a crucial pathway for the European Union to agree to an extension of the Kyoto Protocol, the only current legal mechanism in place that has put limits on carbon dioxide emissions among wealthy nations. The United States never took part in the Kyoto pact, but developing nations were adamant at Durban that it be preserved beyond 2012. The E.U., however -- as the chief participant in Kyoto -- wanted assurance that something broader and more inclusive would be pursued in its place before agreeing to bind itself to a new phase of the 1997 protocol.

"If parties had said no to the E.U., and we did not have this compromise document," Light said, "then the E.U. would have said no to a new phase of the Kyoto protocol, which would have prompted many of the developing countries to simply walk out of the meeting."

The meeting also produced a path toward establishing the so-called Green Climate Fund, which would provide up to $100 billion annually to help poor nations develop and implement clean-energy technologies, reduce their emissions and adapt to changes in the climate that can't be avoided. But while the concept of the fund was preserved, and sources for start-up capital were identified, major questions were punted down the line -- including identifying sources for long-term financing of the fund, as well as its management, oversight and location.

Other steps taken by the delegates include establishing general tenets on transparency for reporting and monitoring individual national emissions, a commitment to creating new market mechanisms for reducing greenhouse gases and new rules for earning emissions credits tied to carbon capture and storage projects. Carbon capture and storage is a controversial technology that critics say has not yet proven able to permanently remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

But critics worried that all of this amounted to precious little progress on a problem that could quickly spiral out of control.

"The impacts of climate change are ever more evident, and we pump ever more carbon pollution into the atmosphere each year," said Meyer of the Union of Concerned Scientists. "We are in grave danger of locking in temperature increases well above two degrees Celsius, which would foreclose our ability to avoid the worst impacts of climate change."

"Powerful speeches and carefully worded decisions can't amend the laws of physics," Meyer added. "The atmosphere responds to one thing, and one thing only -- emissions. The world's collective level of ambition on emissions reductions must be substantially increased, and soon."

But Andrew Light of the Center for American Progress suggested that, if nothing else, Durban's real success was leaving open at least some possibility of raising ambitions on emissions reduction -- an outcome that was far from assured during the two weeks of acrimonious debate in Durban.

Light said, "It almost went down the toilet."

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The official theme of the recently concluded United Nations climate conference in Durban, South Africa -- the 17th such meeting since national governments committed to combating climate change in 1992...
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realitytrumpsbull 10:48 PM on 12/11/2011
7 billion people gotta eat, sleep, and @#$# somewhere, and every one of em breathes out CO2 with every breath. A lot of em also want luxury cars. And, that costs a lot more in terms of CO2 emissions than just breathing.   Some countries have both feet firmly planted in the 1960's, science-wise, using 1950's transportation technology in the 21st century. On the horizon: Magic cars that don't emit  Read More...
05:04 PM on 12/13/2011
""These talks... achieved what at best could be described as baby steps in the right direction," said Kumi Naidoo, the executive director of Greenpeace International, in a phone call from Durban".

I wonder, did Kumi stay in hostel, or at the private home of some fellow traveler, or did she get put up in some swanky, carbon-sucking five-star hotel like all of the other attendees?
02:22 PM on 12/13/2011
The reason the Durban talks failed is easy to understand

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t Trenberth

http://tiny.cc/ofgmk

http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/01/kevin-trenberths-weird-opinions-about.html.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:34 PM on 12/22/2011
The heat has been found. See if your usual sources report that to you, netdr.
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01:15 PM on 12/12/2011
GLOBALPHOBIA
The religion of the Warmmongerers
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11:27 PM on 12/12/2011
Greed; the religion of deniers.
07:06 AM on 12/13/2011
Well, that's persuasive!
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12:58 PM on 12/12/2011
"Durban: Saving The Planet Or Saving Face?"

Neither.
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12:57 PM on 12/12/2011
Think of the CO2 reduction had all these idiots just stayed home since 1992. The Earth would now be 2 degees cooler.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
01:06 PM on 12/12/2011
If that was an attempt to be funny, it failed. If it wasn't, it is even more of a failure, since it shows 'innumeracy'.
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01:35 PM on 12/12/2011
What's funny is that they have no problem putting our money where their mouth is.
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11:28 PM on 12/12/2011
Innumeracy it is.
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12:51 PM on 12/12/2011
Light said, "It almost went down the toilet." Too bad since that is where it belongs.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
12:59 PM on 12/12/2011
Along with the rest of the planet? For that is where the fuelish want to send it. This year's bumper crop of natural disasters may very well be the new normal thanks to "climate change".
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NJP1
12:43 PM on 12/12/2011
A cynic might suggest that climate change conferences have become a mini vacation industry. Delegates will not accept that we are facing a triumvirate of chaos: runaway climate change, overpopulation and energy depletion. They are inseparable, and it matters not which hits us first, because that will exacerbate the impact of the other two.
The world’s economic system (in the context of our developed ‘western’ lifestyle) has been locked into the business of producing, using and selling energy. Our economy is entirely energy based, money is just an energy-token and we have convinced ourselves that passing colored bits of paper and plastic around creates real wealth, whereas without constantly increasing energy input it is worthless. We have no other means of real employment other than to go on finding energy sources and using them to sustain our delusion of profit and growth. When it ceases, most of humanity will starve and our global numbers will rebalance themselves to sustainable levels.
That is the ‘change’ that faces us. Climate change is just a part of it.
We’ve used fossil fuel to grow our population to an unsustainable 7 billion, and 99% of out food relies on fuel burning so the earth must be ripped apart, no matter what the cost, to maintain the delusion of cheap oil, and when it’s finally gone, mankind will be facing a foodless future. This is why a climate change conference in isolation is meaningless
http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
01:01 PM on 12/12/2011
We might be doing better in the battle against disinformation if 'greenies' like yourself did not mix in such nonsensical misinformation about economics. No, money is NOT "just an energy-token". And you are completely wrong about where wealth comes from.
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NJP1
02:51 PM on 12/12/2011
you work---or i assume you do. you get paid, that is a token of your expended energy. you take that token, and use it to buy the results of someone else's energy. he then takes the token---and so on. if you have an alternative, then let me know.
Now, take another analogy, put a gallon of gas in your car. Drive it for say, 30 miles., Now round up 50 guys and ask them to push your car 30 miles for a $4 shareout.. (it would probably take them 10 hours) A gallon of gas has the same energy output as 50 men working a 10 hour day. That’s not ‘greeny’ it’s physics. And that’s why oil has been our delusion of wealth. Moving your car for 30 miles is the same as having 50 men working for you for about $4.

World economics really is that simple
We’ve all enjoyed the energy output of cheap oil, and our prime employment has been in finding new ways to use it.
Look around you right now. there’s probably nothing there that doesn’t owe its existence to fossil fuel energy input.
This isn’t disinformation, I wish it was. Call it uncomfortable information. Deny all you want, but it won’t refill the oilwells.
If you can point out anything specifically wrong, rather than an irate dismissal of the facts presented, I would be grateful
11:48 AM on 12/12/2011
Still waiting for evidence of AGW. And these people are already setting money on fire in the midst of a financial crisis.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
11:56 AM on 12/12/2011
Really? You are still waiting for evidence? So you don't believe what the scientists say? So you don't believe what you see on the news about disasters all over the world?
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beckjr2000
been there done that & tired of it
12:56 PM on 12/12/2011
Nope!
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
01:02 PM on 12/12/2011
Then open your eyes. The evidence is all around us now, available to anyone who actually wants to take the bother to understand it. http://www.skepticalscience.com/ is one of the better sources on the net.
10:17 AM on 12/12/2011
Durban deal - but higher expectation in cities
It is time to involve the local players as mayors and business leaders. Both are committed with higher ambitions and targets. Read more at http://bit.ly/vGlJlE
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abbienormal
What hump?
08:47 AM on 12/12/2011
Once again Americans look like the spoiled, self-indul­gent, self-cente­red, petulant, bloated, short-sigh­ted and wasteful people that we are.

Way to go America.
11:42 AM on 12/12/2011
Spoiled, self-indul­­gent, self-cente­­red, petulant, bloated, short-sigh­­ted and wasteful..... sounds to me like a pretty good description of the "green" movement (red suited them better 20 years ago, IMO).

A generation born into wealth, educated and brainwashed into accepting what academia tells them.

Their wastefulness and short-sightedness is going to throw away several trillion dollars more fighting what could amount to an imagined problem, the money disappearing into corruption and paperpushing investors speculating in CO2 quotas.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
11:51 AM on 12/12/2011
Who is showing the characteristic behavior of "wastefulness and short-sightedness"? Not the greenies. It is you.

By no means is it those calling for GHG reduction who are indulging in "wastefulness and short-sightedness". It is quite the other way around: anyone who does NOT insist on drastic cuts in GHG emissions is dooming the entire Earth's population to generations of misery, to the darkest of all Dark Ages, to a time when life will once again be nasty, brutish and short.

All this because people like you can still lie to yourselves and to the whole world, claiming it "could amount to an imagined problem". No, it is as soundly proven as anything in science.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
12:02 PM on 12/12/2011
Borsnjo you make many unfounded slanders. You sound just like a right wing hit man.

We'll overlook the fact that Big Energy stands to rake in trillions in profits while obstructing responsible climate action.
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Chipher
07:30 AM on 12/12/2011
The Center for American Progress is a left wing PAC created during Gore's 'NAFTA is good for America', and headed by a career welfare drone 'chief scientist' who went directly from MIT grad to government welfare drone to flack writer for PACs who will say anything for a buck. Romm is a fraud.
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Chipher
07:28 AM on 12/12/2011
Read Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy about world domination through invention of a false religion.
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Chipher
07:27 AM on 12/12/2011
"We really were on the brink of total disaster here," said Andrew Light, a senior fellow and director of international climate policy at the Center for American Progress
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Nico Jordaan
Double Standards dont apply to me!
05:41 AM on 12/12/2011
This is crap! untrue crap...Global warming is a joke! Do you know why they were in my country having these talks? So we would give IRAQ food and the US would give us oil. Your petrol price might go up a bit, ours will go waaaaay down hopefully. But all this to help you rebuild your war torn counties..But Americans are rich they can afford wars I guess.
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Katmandu01
07:55 AM on 12/12/2011
"Glo­bal warming is a joke!"
Do you think it's a joke for these people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pakistan_floods
...or these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Thailand_floods
How about these people?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-change-and-the-end-of-australia-20111003
Over here, they're haveing a great time of it:
http://www.oxfam.org/en/grow/policy/horn-africa-drought-climate-change-and-future-impacts-food-security
...and in Texas, you can hear them laughing all the way to Durban.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/us/26ttdrought.html
You bet...the joke of the century and these people must be laughing their heads off.
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08:40 AM on 12/12/2011
I thought that current weather does not indicate longer term trends in climate change.

Oh nevermind, that is only when we use examples to the contrary.

Now, do you have any proof that MAN is responsible and not natural variations?
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Nico Jordaan
Double Standards dont apply to me!
02:16 AM on 12/13/2011
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/ (This is also 1 of many)

Go read this....Maybe go do your major in physics then try argue again. Global warming is a joke….Go looks at the actual stats. Your probably one of those people that believe the movies you got shown. I have the same problem with my baby brother also believes everything he sees on TV. You know they also show you stats they cannot scientifically verify nor proof..lol love those they always show makes me laugh..Do yourself a favour go research what C02 is.
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kostya
Ineluctable modality of the visual
04:42 AM on 12/12/2011
It should be clear by now that these treaty get-togethers are ineffective in increasing awareness of climate disruption and its implications. The issue will get traction in the popular psyche only when environmental conditions are firmly linked with economic well-being (access to food, water, healthcare, natural services, shelter, etc.). Otherwise, economic well-being takes precedence in most cases. Prices, for example, not only provide immediate information about what the market thinks something is worth, they indicate the skew of information asymmetry between buyers and sellers. A lot more environmental health could be achieved by better pricing than any treaty.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
12:05 PM on 12/12/2011
But it is not the POINT that the treaty get-togethers should do this. "Increasing awareness of climate disruption" should take place BEFORE the 'get-together'. Otherwise there is no political pressure on the participants to do anything useful.

Besides: how do you think that "better pricing" is to be achieved without any treaty? Not going to happen.