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Indefinite Military Detention: Revised Defense Bill Still Gives President Authority To Lock Up Citizens

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First Posted: 12/13/11 02:27 PM ET Updated: 12/13/11 03:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Congress would give the president ultimate authority to detain American citizens indefinitely in military custody under the final version of a defense bill expected to pass this week.

The National Defense Authorization Act was facing the threat of a presidential veto after the White House complained that it restricted the administration's ability to fight terrorism and raised "serious and unsettled legal questions." The conference committee working out the differences between the Senate and House versions of the bill added and amended several provisions in an attempt to produce legislation that would pass muster with President Barack Obama, who appealed personally for fixes.

But the version released Monday night still contains the authority to indefinitely imprison suspects linked to al Qaeda or associated groups, including citizens captured in the United States.

"We have [in the bill] the authority to detain without charge or trial terrorism suspects," said Raha Wala, a lawyer with the Law and Security Program of the group Human Rights First. "There aren't any material changes to the indefinite detention provision," he said in a conference call organized by the progressive National Security Network.

To try to meet the White House's concerns, lawmakers shifted the responsibility for granting waivers under the legislation from the Defense Department to the president. They also added language to state that civilian law enforcement retains the authority to investigate and interrogate terrorism suspects, even though the bill requires that those suspects be held by the military.

Opponents argued that although agencies like the FBI would still be allowed to investigate in theory, the compromise could prove unworkable in practice. They questioned how civilian authorities will work with their military counterparts, who could take over any terror-related case unless the president grants a waiver.

"What does that actually mean in practice?" asked Heather Hurlburt, executive director of the National Security Network. "It's unclear, and the people who have to implement it think it's unclear, and it's just inviting years of litigation. ... In some ways, it makes it even worse."

"The national security establishment really comprehensively rejects these provisions as representing the militarization of our justice system," Hurlburt added. "You're deliberately throwing things back into the courts, which is a very strange thing to be seeing."

Proponents have argued that the bill is designed is to spell out what is already being done so that there is less uncertainty surrounding counterterrorism efforts. They say that the military needs clear authority to ensure that the ever-changing terrorist threat can be met. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) declared as the Senate passed its version that the bill affirms that "the homeland is part of the battlefield."

In an effort to soothe those worried about American liberties, the Senate had already added a provision that said the detainee measure will not affect current law regarding Americans.

But current law remains unsettled. One American accomplice of al Qaeda who was held in military detention was Jose Padilla. An appeals court ruled that he could be held by the military, but the Bush administration transferred him to a civilian court before the issue advanced to the Supreme Court. Padilla was convicted in federal court, one of more than 400 such terrorism convictions since 9/11 that would, for the most part, become much more difficult under the latest legislation.

The bill also bars the expenditure of any funds to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison for terrorism suspects, which likely would have to be expanded to hold all the people who could no longer remain in the U.S. court system.

U.S. allies have already complained that they do not want to turn over suspects or information that leads to imprisonment at Guantanamo, Hurlburt said, arguing that such concerns are yet another roadblock to counterterrorism efforts.

White House officials were still weighing whether to veto the new bill, which authorizes the budget and sets policy for the Defense Department. The budget itself is expected to pass separately later this week in a larger legislative package to fund the government.

Opponents of the bill said the distinction between the budget and budget authorization is key because presidents have vetoed the authorization in the past, most recently in 2007, while funding still went forward, allowing the military to function.

"We're hoping the president reiterates his veto threat," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel with the American Civil Liberties Union. He argued that if President Obama signed the legislation, the authority to indefinitely detain suspects, including citizens, would become a permanent abridgment of rights.

"This would make this authority permanent. And given how broadly this definition of covered persons has been written, this is something that this president would have if he signs this into law. ... It also means that this is authority that any future president will have for decades to come," said Anders.

Even some members of the conference committee that produced the final bill were disturbed by the detention provisions.

"I do not support the two flawed detention provisions," said Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) in a statement Tuesday on the measure that was shepherded along by the top members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and ranking member John McCain (R-Ariz.).

"I appreciate that Senators Levin and McCain heard the concerns I raised -- which were echoed by the Secretary of Defense, Director of National Intelligence and the directors of the FBI and CIA -- and made some changes to reduce the harm those provisions would do to national security," Udall said. "Those changes alleviate some, but not all, of my concerns. Therefore, when signing the conference report, I explicitly stated that I do not support sections 1021 and 1022 on detention."

The legislation is likely to pass the Senate and the House this week.

Michael McAuliff covers politics and Congress for The Huffington Post. Talk to him on Facebook.

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WASHINGTON -- Congress would give the president ultimate authority to detain American citizens indefinitely in military custody under the final version of a defense bill expected to pass this week. ...
WASHINGTON -- Congress would give the president ultimate authority to detain American citizens indefinitely in military custody under the final version of a defense bill expected to pass this week. ...
 
 
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FZliveson 04:08 PM on 12/13/2011
I had at least 5 ancestors who fought at greatvrisk, to defeat the British and to establish the nation upon which we have our constitution. I am absolutely aghast that our so-called "public servants" are so callous about torpedoing our basic constitutional tenets. As far as I am concerned, this is no less damaging than were the torpedo-planes of the Imperial Japanese Navy at Pearl Harbor in 1941. The  Read More...
08:43 PM on 12/25/2011
watch and see how long before your neighbors and friends who speak out about the escalating corruption in washington start going away and the anti-american obama will be sending them to the FEMA camps that are already built and the super prison in denver and alaska will gladly take you in as a guest, its just sick that we as americans has let this get this far ,ignorance and apathy has destroyed our country and look in the mirror and there is where the blame is at. but what are you willing to sacrafice to correct our mistakes that is the question you better find the answer to.
10:07 AM on 12/16/2011
If you haven't checked out the above streaming video from an ALCU dude, you need to. This is the Obama we have come to expect. And the Obama that will be seeking new work come Jan, 2013.
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AlfredE69
Occupy Election '12: Vote 3rd Party
08:28 AM on 12/16/2011
All you Totalitarianists, move to China, stop messing with America!
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Wesley Holbrook
Retired-Marine
08:36 PM on 12/15/2011
So, what, is this being passed to incite fear into people by intimidating them so that they will remain silent against their Government especially when it comes to corruption within the Government??? First and foremost, I am a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Whenever I see Government corruption in its rank and file, I will speak out against it. I shall render to Caesar's that which is Caesar's, and render unto God that which is God's, but at no point will I ever violate my conscience with God, should the Government ever attempt to come between my conscience and God...
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
04:15 AM on 12/16/2011
Believers and non believers alike will have to bear witness to our country's agonies. We are all watching. The whole world is watching.
freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
06:51 PM on 12/15/2011
Look to the constitution. Now is the time to defend it!
05:15 PM on 12/15/2011
I'm putting cases on all my enemies...lol. King Kong ain't got nothing on me!!
03:57 PM on 12/15/2011
I should not have to give up my personal liberties for mass security !
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
04:20 PM on 12/15/2011
It seems that when it comes to our rights our politicians are OBLs little helpers.
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rightfromwrong
03:33 PM on 12/15/2011
this should be the number one story on msnbs, fox, cnn and all other networks every moment of every day!
lets see how informed they keep americans.
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rightfromwrong
03:03 PM on 12/15/2011
this is why i laugh at all of you die hard patriots that claim "america is the best country on the planet."
you are no better than anyone else. i dont support either political party, but i would love to see obama supporters explain this one.
its kind of how the anti- war chant that was in full effect when bush was in office went away as obama keep the wars going and actually stepped up the aggression they were so much against when bush was in office.
americans are such little sheep who cheer for their party that the dont understand, no matter who wins, you lose!!
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debekniss
American Dreams are not an urban legend
06:01 PM on 12/15/2011
I agree today what is the differance between the party leaders? They are bought by corporations before they get to office. Independents might be just as bad. Voting your party line in spite of another canidate who might be better is blind faith. No one person is going to be perfect regardless of what is said. It is what they actually have a history of should mean more. However if such a bill as the NDAA passes we better know what the person we elect is mentally capable of and this might be fine for a few terms but it is the future we must be concerned with. I am against the patriot act for many reasons and am not sure why this NDAA is so important now that the big threats have been killed. Anyone and that means anyone could be regarded a threat in this NDAA and that is so spooky. It just seems unamerican to me. Why is this so important now? That is what I am asking.
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AlfredE69
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08:29 AM on 12/16/2011
Most democrats are only anti-war when a republican is president.
11:24 AM on 12/15/2011
I hope my neighbors don't dislike me and they accuse me of terrorism, I'll be done, no way out, no lawyer no wrights...What a country this one is going to be.
11:12 AM on 12/15/2011
Are we coming to be a police state?, if this law passes...we are.
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Achilles1963
01:23 PM on 12/15/2011
With a bigger percentage of our population in prison than any other country in the world we already were. Can't you just hear the helicopters. We are also one of the very few "Western style Democracies" to allow torture and indefinite imprisonment without trial.
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debekniss
American Dreams are not an urban legend
06:27 PM on 12/15/2011
I wonder if this is all for a corporation sake. We have for profit prisons ::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Private_prisons_in_the_United_States_today and of course they are there to make money and encourage the courts to have stiff sentencing but what is really scary is this ::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 which falls right into what the government would do with people. I encourage all to read this and see they have this all ready and now want to pass a law to grant them the right to do it. Pretty spooky stuff I must say and I don't spook that easy folks.
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Virginia Nancarvis
11:05 AM on 12/15/2011
This headline is very misleading. The president does not want to lock up citizens!!!!!!! His answer to this bill was "he is against the use of military policing our streets". After language was changed, he dropped the threat of a veto. This language gives the president the power to effectuate a waiver for an accused person to be placed under civil law (in the United States) providing them due process protected by the Constitution. Thus balancing the powers of Congress/military and the president and reducing the risk of a military state. Read the bill.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
04:24 PM on 12/15/2011
So our rights are subject to a presidential aproval and that is ok with you? Good Lord.
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Virginia Nancarvis
04:28 PM on 12/15/2011
Your rights are not affected being a United States citizen. He is protecting every ones rights.
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Virginia Nancarvis
10:55 AM on 12/15/2011
I cannot believe how mislead people can be...The Presidents' answer to this bill..."he was against the use of military policing our streets". He will not veto the bill after language was inserted that gave the power to the president to waive the use of military custody and its law of war and place the detained person in the civil court under due process of law under our Constitution..thus protecting our rights and balancing the power between Congress/military and the President. There is also a section in this bill that not only does not appropriate funds to transfer those in Gitmo or funds to build a detaining center in the United States, but specifically states no funds will be appropriated for this use.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
04:27 PM on 12/15/2011
How about the wording he insisted on being removed that excluded Americans and legal residents that Levie is on vidio outing on the floor? Missed that?.
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Virginia Nancarvis
01:01 AM on 12/26/2011
If you watch the entire floor session..it was Levin that wanted US citizens be detained under military custody. Once again media duping the public into believing it was President Obama. The administration objected to this language and offered a proposal that it ONLY apply to those US citizens captured abroad during the course of hostilities and an Al-Qaeda member and/or supporter. Sen Feinstein introduced this amendment. That was debated with Sen Graham's input. Sen Levin and others were worried if a US citizen was apprehended during the course of hostilities (as in 9/11) that he would be read the Miranda Act and remain silent. This was worrisome to these two Senators. They reasoned what if this person was not acting alone and another attack was imminent or in the near future. You would not want this person to remain silent. as you read the transcripts of these floor sessions or listen to them...they can be found on the internet..the wording was changed. Both Sen Levin and Sen Graham stated this bill excludes a US citizen from being detained under military custody. They can be detained (if captured during the course of hostilities and fall under the "covered" person section) but under Constitutional law with due process and other protections. What was inserted in order to protect us from another 9/11 was upon their arrest...interrogations would continue until a determination was made to their citizenry and were they a covered person.
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debekniss
American Dreams are not an urban legend
06:40 PM on 12/15/2011
So explain this please : http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/R­ex_84 or the fact our own government has profit prisons in place today? http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/P­rivate_pri­son#Privat­e_prisons_­in_the_Uni­ted_States­_today Is this just a act of thinking ahead? When in the last forty years has there been a need for such types of camps? After the Japanese were locked up in camps wasn't that enough to make our government look at what a bad call that was? So to what purpose are these camps and now the need for this NDAA?
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AccezzTom
Veteran with disabilities; Writer
10:45 AM on 12/15/2011
And any of the politicians who actually support this rights-killing legislation actually expect to receive another vote from anyone in America again? REALLY?
11:14 AM on 12/15/2011
Some stupid people will be pleased thinking that security is more important.
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debekniss
American Dreams are not an urban legend
06:41 PM on 12/15/2011
AccezzTom - well make sure you do know which ones were against it . They might be keepers lol
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09:24 AM on 12/15/2011
should we now start calling the President the Emperor instead?
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AlfredE69
Occupy Election '12: Vote 3rd Party
08:31 AM on 12/16/2011
Yes, Obama starts wars without Congressional approval. He is our Lord and Master.