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Indefinite Detention Bill No Longer Faces Veto Threat From White House (UPDATE)

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First Posted: 12/14/11 06:18 PM ET Updated: 12/15/11 04:24 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The White House on Wednesday abandoned its threat to veto a defense bill that sets in stone the commander in chief's authority to indefinitely detain terrorism suspects, including Americans, in military custody.

The switch came just before the House voted 283-136 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act despite impassioned opposition that crossed party lines, with Democrats splitting on the bill and more than 40 Republicans opposing it. Numerous national security experts and civil liberties advocates had argued that the indefinite detention measure enshrines recent, questionable investigative practices that are contrary to fundamental American rights. The Senate was expected to follow suit soon.

The White House had threatened to veto the bill as it stood coming from the Senate, but reversed course shortly before the House vote. The administration cited changes to the legislation made during a conference committee that worked out differences between the House and Senate versions over the weekend.

Civil liberties advocates had already declared that the changes were not nearly good enough and that all they did was make it harder for law enforcers to interpret the legislation. But White House officials, who spent two full days pondering the changes before revoking the veto threat, decided they were enough.

While opponents had looked to President Barack Obama to defend what they see as a fresh attack on American freedom, a statement released by White House press secretary Jay Carney addressed such issues only obliquely.

"After intensive engagement by senior administration officials and the President himself, the administration has succeeded in prompting the authors of the detainee provisions to make several important changes," the statement said.

"While we remain concerned about the uncertainty that this law will create for our counterterrorism professionals, the most recent changes give the President additional discretion in determining how the law will be implemented, consistent with our values and the rule of law, which are at the heart of our country's strength," it said.

"We have concluded that the language does not challenge or constrain the president's ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the American people," the statement said, although it added that if the uncertainty raised by the legislation does impede investigations, the White House expects lawmakers to write a fix.

One of the major changes was shifting to the White House the responsibility for determining who does not have to be detained forever by the military. In an earlier version of the bill, the Department of Defense made the call. And while the bill makes the military the default investigator for Islamic terrorism cases, new provisions assert that the FBI and other civil law enforcers still have the authority to investigate terrorism and interrogate suspects.

The bill's strongest supporters, including Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), had argued that it was necessary to make plain that the military has the authority to detain Americans. Other less-fervent supporters argued that, although they were not entirely happy with the practice, the fact is that the executive branch already detains Americans -- as it did in the case of convicted terrorism suspect Jose Padilla.

"If you have a problem with indefinite detention, that is a problem with current law," said Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. "The problems that people have, and I share some of them, are with existing law, not with this bill. Defeat this bill, and that will not change a piece of that existing law that we've heard about that we should all be concerned about."

Opponents of the indefinite detention provisions have argued that, although it is true Americans have been held, the Supreme Court has not ruled on the validity of those detentions. Writing those practices into law, they argue, goes further than anything the nation's founders ever would have contemplated.

"We are in danger of losing our most precious heritage not because a band of thugs threatens our freedom, but because we are at risk of forgetting who we are and what makes the United States a truly great nation," said Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), whose district includes Ground Zero. "In the last 10 years, we have begun to let go of our freedoms, bit by bit, with each new executive order, court decision and, yes, act of Congress.

"We have begun giving away our rights to privacy, our right to our day in court when the government harms us, and, with this legislation, we are continuing down the path of destroying the right to be free from imprisonment without due process of law," Nadler added.

He also took issue with Smith's assertion that the bill just spells out what is already law.

"It doesn't codify existing law. It codifies claims of power by the last two administrations that have not been confirmed by [the Supreme Court] -- rather terrifying claims of power, claims of the right to put Americans in jail indefinitely without a trial, even in the United States," Nadler said.

Smith and others have pointed to a provision in the legislation that they say exempts U.S. citizens. The measure reads, "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."

But numerous legal authorities have pointed out to The Huffington Post that, even though that provision does not require the detention of Americans, it also does not say they cannot be detained. And the legislation's definition of terrorism suspects does not exclude Americans, which means the military is authorized to detain Americans. An amendment that would have barred detentions of U.S. citizens failed in the Senate. The decision on whether an American goes to the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility -- which must remain open to accommodate new suspects -- will lie with the White House.

The final bill is also likely to pass the Senate on Wednesday or Thursday.

Opponents called on President Obama to ignore his advisers and veto the bill anyway.

"As people of faith, we know that the right cause is also sometimes a lonely cause," said the Rev. Richard Killmer, executive director of the National Religious Campaign Against Torture.

"The president's advisers have abandoned their opposition to the bill," Killmer said. "But, as president, President Obama is still in a position to stand up for American values and stop this legislation. The decision is his, not his advisers. He can and should veto this bill. If he does, he will find that Americans of all faiths will stand with him."

"If President Obama signs this bill, it will damage both his legacy and Americans' reputation for upholding the rule of law," warned Laura Murphy, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The last time Congress passed indefinite detention legislation was during the McCarthy era, and President Truman had the courage to veto that bill."

Update: 7:18 p.m. -- The story has been updated to include the House's passage of the National Defense Authorization Act. 10 p.m. -- It was also updated to make clearer that the military is authorized to detain American citizens.

Michael McAuliff covers politics and Congress for The Huffington Post. Talk to him on Facebook.

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JonBFertippton 09:38 PM on 12/14/2011
What do the members of Congress know, or think they know, that makes them vote for this sort of semi-fascistic legislation? Are they expecting widespread riots? Has the occupation movement freaked them out and made sissies of them? Do they expect a nuclear terror attack in the middle of New York or some other large city? Do they want to be able to arrest Americans suspected of being somehow abnormal and  Read More...
04:29 PM on 01/03/2012
Can anyone else confirm that it also make it illegal to have surplus food and fuel in your home? If this is true, I need no other proof that the POTUS is just another puppet to the CRF/ military industrial complex financed by the central bankers.
03:00 PM on 01/03/2012
First of all I am tired of my comments not being printed when there are worse ones than mine here. It seems when you tell the truth they won't print it. As I was saying, we have just lost a monumental right of freedom of speech here people. We now can be thrown in jail without any protection. Bye, bye forever. I can't believe the American people are going to stand for this. I have written my Senator and have told him he will never get my support again. I live in PA and was very disappointed in Bob Casey. We're done.
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12:08 PM on 01/01/2012
Could someone indicate for us where in the bill this "indefinite detention" of American citizens is written? I did read several sections of the bill (mind boggling), but it looked to me like it did not apply to American citizens.

The terminology used in these bills is somewhat confusing to me so would appreciate knowing where to read and how to interpret it. Anyone?
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11:53 AM on 12/18/2011
This law goes way beyond the "Patriot Act". What is up with the repubs voting for this?

Not one TP representative voted for this.
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FastPlastic
02:29 PM on 12/18/2011
What's up with any politician voting for this.
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MacTheCat
They only pass laws they intend to use
07:50 PM on 12/16/2011
"What the American People are witnessing now with this new legislatio­­­n is the further developmen­­­t of an American Police State into a Military Dictatorsh­­­ip, a process that was started by the so-called USA Patriot Act in 2001,” says Professor Francis Boyle, the constituti­­­onal law authority at the University of Illinois, Champaign.­”
02:54 PM on 01/03/2012
Yes I totally agree with you. I can't believe no one is up in arms by the millions. If they want to get something on you or get you out of the way for some reason, or find you a threat when protesting in disagreement of them, they now have the power to put you in jail without representation which means no lawyer. Bye, bye. People wake up you are living under a fascist government now. We are not free anymore. They know things are going to get worse and people are going to resort to a revolution. They can now put us all away and do their dirty deeds. I can't believe the apathy in this country.
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MacTheCat
They only pass laws they intend to use
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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
06:17 PM on 12/16/2011
If their terrorists or have been suspected of dealing with them but with at least some sort of proof,even minimal proof then I'm all for it.The military and CIA and NSA are well trained in dealing and extracting info out of these people and determining if they are a threat.Civilian authority's are just not trained in these matters per say.Thats my feelings about it but I also repect everyone elses feeling about it
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MacTheCat
They only pass laws they intend to use
07:47 PM on 12/16/2011
So you are all for throwing our Bill of Rights that give us the freedom of a fair, timely and public trial, into the dustbin of history?
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FastPlastic
02:53 AM on 12/17/2011
You forgot the paper shredder.
03:03 PM on 01/03/2012
I agree with MacTheCat. People are so ready to give their rights away. This is the beginning of a police state. They can make up any lie about you and throw you in jail forever and you can't have any representation. Get it people.
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Bryan Gray
08:59 AM on 12/16/2011
"Good government exists to protect the rights of all.

Corrupt government serves only those who benefit it most."
SearingTruth
08:49 AM on 12/16/2011
Although I agree that this bill may be stripping American's from their own Civil Liberties, one must take into consideration the fact that our nations national defense must establish a permanent bill that allows the military to detain potential terrorists indefinitely. If any of you would step back and think about the situation that just occurred with al-Awlaki there was clearly a debate over whether our government had the right to kill him with out fair trial. As the situation dragged on al-Awlaki had the ability to continue planning his terrorist plots against America, if this bill had been established already he would have been taken care of almost immediately without question and he would not have been able to continue planning. That being said I do feel that any President who feels that abuses this power may have the ability to create a very unstable system where American's end up losing all of the Civil Liberties clearly outlined in the Constitution.
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FastPlastic
02:56 AM on 12/17/2011
"he would have been taken care of almost immediatel­y without question"
I think this is the part that scares us. Because you and I now fall under that same classification.
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gramma61
Anger is fear turned inward
02:14 PM on 12/27/2011
Just an observation but NOT a defense..It state's person's in military custody....How would an American civilian wind up in military custody here in the US?
01:16 AM on 12/16/2011
Obama has lied to us again. I'm a lifelong Democrat who will do everything in my power to see him and the other traitorous signers out of office.
This country needs campaign finance reform.
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03:27 AM on 12/16/2011
Vote Ron Paul...It is simple Him Versus Big Brother
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11:40 AM on 12/18/2011
Ron Paul is wacko in his opinion on foreign matters.
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12:10 PM on 01/01/2012
Obviously you are not familiar with some of paul's beliefs. There is nothing simple about him, but he plays it well.
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gramma61
Anger is fear turned inward
02:11 PM on 12/27/2011
No you are not...You're a poser.
12:17 AM on 12/16/2011
Will this President of ours ever take a stand and lead his people on anything? A President's job is to lead the nation. It is like we just added an extra Senate seat rather than elected a President.
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Judy363
Fighting the good fight
11:43 PM on 12/15/2011
I keep getting mixed reports. I just heard on FB that the bill was changed and it no longer states that American citizens could be detained indefinitely without a trial. I hope that is correct.
12:41 PM on 12/16/2011
It is in 1031 - full of legal speak

Section 1031 reads:

"A covered person under this section" includes "any person who has committed a belligerent act". We only have to be accused because we don't get a trial.

Obama threatened a veto for 1032, but NOT 1031.

1032 is UNRELATED to imprisoning citizens without a trial.

Obama has never suggested using a veto to stop Section 1031 citizen imprisonment -- in fact, it was requested by the administration.
08:08 PM on 12/15/2011
I created a monster! But now, I know that Bush and the "Great Orator," Obama are made from the same cloth. They both serve the same serpent and our freedoms are a chess piece away from checkmate... and for that I'm truly sorry. "The temptation to believe in hope and change was too intoxicating."
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11:43 AM on 12/18/2011
Another case of "voter's remorse". Do not worry. There are many more like you our there~


I, on the opther hand, was never fooled by this clown.
aristippe
no more war for oil
07:53 PM on 12/15/2011
It's nice to see that Congress and the President can show such overwhelmi­ng solidarity on certain issues. I rarely see such bipartisan cooperatio­n and across the board support for legislatio­n.
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jorg1776
Radical middle of the road
09:02 PM on 12/15/2011
Just a shame that what they show solidarity in, is an overwhelming urge to use the Constitution for toilet paper.
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07:21 PM on 12/15/2011
today the constitution was flushed down the toilet