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Cellphone Ban In Cars Could Be 'Impossible' To Enforce According To Law Enforcement

Cellphone Ban

By MATT SEDENSKY   12/16/11 12:57 AM ET   AP

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A driver in the next lane is moving his lips. Is he on a hands-free cellphone? Talking to someone in the car? To himself? Singing along to the radio?

If lawmakers follow the advice of a federal board, police officers will have to start figuring that out – somehow.

The National Transportation Safety Board said this week that drivers should not only be barred from using hand-held cellphones, as they are in several states, but also from using hands-free devices. No more "Sorry, I'm stuck in traffic" calls, or virtually any other cellphone chatter behind the wheel.

Though no state has yet implemented such restrictive rules, the NTSB's recommendations carry weight that could place such language into future laws, or motivate the federal government to cut funding to states that don't follow suit.

Many of the men and women patrolling the nation's streets and highways wonder how they would sort the criminally chatty from the legally chatty.

"It would be almost impossible to determine if someone was talking on a phone or exercising their vocal cords," said Capt. Donald Melanson of the West Hartford, Conn., police department, which took part in a national pilot program aimed at cracking down on drivers' cellphone use. "That would be much more difficult to enforce, almost to the point where it would be impossible."

Officer Tom Nichols of the Port St. Lucie, Fla., police said a law written like the NTSB suggests would be difficult to enforce because so many variables would be at play.

"If you identify someone who has a hands-free set hooked up to their ear that doesn't mean they are talking on the phone," he said. "They could be talking to a passenger. They could be talking to a child in the back. They could be singing."

Police could end up turning to technology for help. They might even end up with the cellphone equivalent of a radar speed gun.

Fred Mannering, a Purdue University civil engineering professor who is associate director of the Center for Road Safety, said that since all cellphones emit signals, a simple Bluetooth detection device could spot them.

Computers are already common in patrol cars, and Mannering said a relatively cheap add-on could fit them to track cellphone signals.

"It would be really easy for police to have a computer on board and pick up those signals," Mannering said, "but it is sort of Big Brother."

The NTSB's proposal, announced Tuesday as a unanimous recommendation of its five-member board, urges all states to impose total bans except for emergencies. It cited deadly crashes caused by distracted drivers across the country, and noted that many studies have shown that hands-free cellphones are often as unsafe as hand-held devices.

The recommendation poses an astounding number of questions. What about chauffeurs and traveling salesmen who spend their entire day on the road? And roadside Amber Alert and Silver Alert notifications that implore drivers to call in if they spot a specific vehicle? What comes of phone lines dedicated to those "How's My Driving?" signs on trucks? How will you let someone know you're stuck in traffic?

Joe Schwieterman, a DePaul University professor who studies people's use of technology while traveling, said he can't envision a law so restrictive ever hitting the books because phone use has become commonplace for drivers. He called such an approach "draconian" and said that if such a law were passed, the public would despise it as "imperial overreach," then ignore it.

"It's a little like speeding laws where it will become just culturally acceptable to violate," he said. He said a no-call law would be followed only if violations carried stiff penalties like those for drunken driving.

Lewis Katz, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University, said a nationwide ban on using cellphones while driving would be wildly unpopular, and likely the target of legal challenges. But he believed such a law, and the methods police might use to enforce it, ultimately would be deemed as constitutional as seatbelt enforcement.

"I'm sure that it would be challenged on all sorts of constitutional grounds, including free speech," he said in a phone call from his car. "But it seems to me that it doesn't in any way infringe on any constitutional rights. It's a simple safety issue."

Whether the NTSB's recommendations will motivate decision-makers remains to be seen, but they have certainly caught their attention.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, who has made combating distracted driving the signature issue of his tenure, stopped short of an endorsement. His department is separate from the NTSB.

"My focus is going to be on preaching to people: Take personal responsibility. Put your cellphone and your texting device in the glove compartment when you get behind the wheel of a car," LaHood told reporters at a news conference in Chicago. "You can't drive safely when you have your hand on a cellphone and are trying to drive a 4,000- 5,000 pound vehicle."

Florida House Speaker Dean Cannon, a Republican, said he was wary. His state is among those that have resisted passing laws restricting drivers' cellphone use.

Cannon said future technological advances may prove more effective than legislation at addressing driver distraction issues. As an example, he cited his new iPhone, which can make phone calls and send text messages via voice command.

"In these attempts to try and prevent every bad thing from happening," he said, "it's all too easy to overly restrict personal freedoms and individual rights and responsibilities."

Sheriff Ric Bradshaw, the top law enforcement official in Palm Beach County, Fla., said that if lawmakers take the NTSB's suggestions to heart, they should address all manner of distracted driving.

"I see women putting makeup on. I see a guy with an electric shaver. I see one woman with a newspaper. I see a guy with a dog in his hands. All of those are worse than texting," he said.

Monique Bond, a spokeswoman for the Illinois State Police, said training would be key to enforcing any ban. Officers are already looking for unbuckled seat belts and swerving drivers; they'd have to add to their mental checklists.

"It's something that is not insurmountable," Bond said. "How you're going to spot it, or how you're going to look for it – you have to acclimate the troops and acclimate the operations as to how to do this."

Chief Walter McNeil of Quincy, Fla., president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, said enforcement of a total ban would be difficult, but that distracted driving needs to be addressed.

"We certainly need to deal with the overall problem with distracted drivers, and getting some level of uniformity in how we enforce that would be helpful," he said.

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Associated Press writer Dave Collins in Hartford, Conn., contributed to this report.

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12:12 AM on 04/01/2012
Hands Free cellphone use is distracting, but hands free use of OnStar while driving is apparently not distracting, so NTSB has exempted OnStar from this recommendation.

"The NTSB recommendation made in December wouldn't bar calls made directly through a vehicle, such as General Motors Co.'s OnStar. But the NTSB does want to bar calls made through a vehicle and a "paired" hand-held cellphone."

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the .gov's bailout of GM.

When the cellphone companies get bailed out, then we can use them hands free, too.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120327/AUTO01/203270403/1121/auto0103/NTSB-pushes-proposal-to-bar-hands-free-calls-by-drivers
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Denise Du Vernay
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04:20 PM on 12/19/2011
Sheriff Ric Bradshaw of Palm Beach County, Fla should probably be fired if he thinks that texting is the least dangerous of distracted driving activities people perform every day. No, people should not shave, apply makeup, or pet their dogs while driving, but texting while driving has been shown by Car & Driver to increase reaction times more than being drunk. Cellphone conversations have also been proven to require more concentration than in-car conversations.

Driving is not a right, it's a privilege and people need to get over themselves, maybe give a crap about other people. I don't care how important you are or how important you think your phone call is; it's not more important than my life, so if you're sharing the road with me, get off your damn phone.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/texting-while-driving-how-dangerous-is-it
09:47 PM on 12/19/2011
How can you not understand how dangerous driving is in of itself or how we take for granted our safe return home without losing our lives before reaching our destination? It's not that much of a leap to consider how your compounding the chances of an accident happening when your attention and limbs are divided between operating a car and trying to txt on the tiny buttons of a handheld device, that bounces when the car does, all on a small, randomly glared out screen you have to look down and away from the windshield from as your hurling yourself along in a 3000lb hunk of metal, glass, rubber and steel that uses a flammable liquid for fuel along a purpose built maze of obstacles for cars where scores of other drivers with varying levels of competency and sobriety travel in vehicles of all sizes and variable levels of quality and/or disrepair. About half travel in the opposite direction from you in multiple lanes to your left, usually at speeds as fast as your own while about a third of those will pass less than 3 feet from your limbs and/or face. If this seems overstated, it's on purpose because we've lost someone to someone unable to wait to use a cell phone. The tolerance for avoidably tragic decisions makes for considering preventative measures that may be inconvenient or uncomfortable, but will help us prevent the irresponsible from randomly and violently taking away the irreplaceable.
03:30 PM on 12/18/2011
This year I have been backed into twice by two female drivers in a parking lot. The second driver didn't even get off her phone when she got out of her car to come and talk to me. I am all for this law.
If the call is that important then pull over and take care of it.
11:18 AM on 12/18/2011
What cell phone conversation is so important it can't wait? NONE. So what if you are stuck in traffic, figure out what roads are blocked and take a different route, don't wait until the last minute to get to your destination, or get a spouse that will trust you, and most importantly don't drive on the Florida raining roads like it is a perfect sunny day.
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rockv12
12:42 AM on 12/17/2011
I can hold a phone to my ear and talk....all the while driving down the road! Am I some sort of super driver? No. It's not hard to do them at the same time!! Good grief. If you can't do both, then the state should NOT have given you a driver's license. Cell phones attributed to accidents only expose those who should NOT have gotten a driver's license to begin with. Texting, now that is another story. That takes your eyes off the road. The same as looking at a map or grabbing something off the seat next to you. Both stupid. Illegal? I don't know.
09:38 AM on 12/17/2011
youranidiot
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rockv12
01:17 PM on 12/17/2011
I'm an idiot? Because I can drive and talk at the same time? HuffPo comments...the place for hatred, attacks, and rudeness to prevail. Thanks...
09:18 PM on 12/16/2011
CB radios have been in cars & trucks for decades. Are these clowns going to ban them too? If not, I'll happily design a CB radio system which connects to the cell phone system to relay cell phone calls over the CB radio frequencies.
aristippe
no more war for oil
08:38 PM on 12/16/2011
Night time driving is the cause of more fatalities, time to put a auto curfew into effect.
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jackdaniel58
04:13 PM on 12/16/2011
If I see someone on their freakin phone while driving I'm going to treat it as a drunk driver and call 911. Too bad.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
03:40 PM on 12/16/2011
For everyone whining and crying about their civil liberties being abused, this is already a law in California, and I've got the concussion from a bike accident to prove it, from someone who was too important to let the call go to voicemail.

The Gestapo won't be tagging you anytime soon, unfortunately, so stop your pansyasswhining.
09:24 PM on 12/16/2011
What's already a law in California? Not being able to talk on your phone with a hands-free setup? False. A better solution to your biker problem is to mandate bike paths for bikers that are not on the streets where cars are driving.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
11:04 PM on 12/16/2011
Yawn.
03:27 PM on 12/16/2011
THESE CRAZY BUREAUCRATS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO GRASP ON REALITY!!!! THIS WOULD BE TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE!!!!! I THINK THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO OUTLAW HANDHELD CELL PHONE USE, BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING HANDS FREE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM TALKING TO YOUR PASSENGERS!!!! AND I'LL BET THAT THESE SAME CRAZY BUREAUCRATS WOULD ALSO TRY TO OUTLAW THAT!!!!
I HAVE BOTH ONSTAR & BLUETOOTH IN MY GM HIGH PERFORMANCE LUXURY SPORTS SEDAN, AND CARRYING ON CONVERSATIONS IN THOSE WAYS IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF TALKING ON A HAND HELD PHONE!!!!
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Denise Du Vernay
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01:09 AM on 12/20/2011
Have you ever had a conversation with someone in the same room or car? It's completely different to talk in person with someone. It's nice. You should try it. And stop shouting.

Also, it would be very enforceable. If you'd read the article instead of sounding off at the headline alone, you'd have read that it would be very easy to outfit patrol cars with bluetooth detectors.
03:20 PM on 12/16/2011
Our city is seeing an increase in ped-auto accidents and THE CAR ALWAYS WINS!!!!!!! No matter who is at fault! The big question is how many injuries it is going to take for the California city to do something about it. I started on my quest to bring awareness to this problem after I was hit by a big truck in a cross-walk, 2011. The driver, a young girl was on a cell phone. I saw her on the phone and witnesses saw her on the cell phone, the police did not see her on the cell phone and therefore she was not issued a ticket. No ticket if the police don’t see it! Nothing happened to her for being on a cell phone behind the wheel of a vehicle. I could have died, was in hospital for eight days. There should be a ban on cell phone use while driving, but if nothing is done to the driver after they hit someone while on a cell phone, what good is the prevention tactics.
09:42 AM on 12/17/2011
You stepped out in front of a truck that was driven by a young girl on a cell phone? And you saw her on it? youranidiot.
06:13 PM on 12/17/2011
LOL ,, I do not know how you came to that conclusion. I am in the middle of the crosswalk; it is my turn to go.
She is at a stop, according to the witnesses she is on her cell phone, she makes a turn into the crosswalk does not see me there because she is looking at her phone. I see her on the phone after she hits me; I see her through the windshield she is still holding the phone in front of her face. I bounce off the front of her big GMC truck. I then fly through the air and come down on the pavement. The witnesses said she didn’t even stop or brake. When she hit me is when she noticed me. I did not see her till a second before she hit me. There was no time to try and get out of her way.
I thought I was safe in the crosswalk, but I was not.
03:20 PM on 12/16/2011
What did people do before the age of technology? Texting while driving is dangerous. As is using a cell phone or even eating. Your full attention is required to drive a vehicle.

Too darn bad for all these selfish people that think they should have the right to endanger everyone else on the road. Driving is a privilege. Not a right.
aristippe
no more war for oil
03:00 PM on 12/16/2011
absurdity! Hands-free is good enough.
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Denise Du Vernay
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01:12 AM on 12/20/2011
Actually, speaking is four times more distracting than listening. So when you're driving, pay attention to the road and maybe listen to the radio if you need entertainment. Just stay off your phone.
aristippe
no more war for oil
01:47 PM on 12/20/2011
Am i allowed to sing?
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dmsdzinr
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01:15 PM on 12/16/2011
THAT is NO reason NOT to pass a NEEDED LAW! FINE the driver $500-$1,000 an incident and watch the cell phone usage STOP! The ABSOLUTE #1 PRIORITY when driving if FOCUSING ON DRIVING and NOTHING ELSE!
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rockv12
12:44 AM on 12/17/2011
Ok buddy. I don't want to see you EVER grabbing something out of the glove box. Or changing the radio station! Only driving is allowed.
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dmsdzinr
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08:06 AM on 12/17/2011
NO PROBLEM!
03:37 PM on 12/18/2011
Most cars have controls for the radio right there on the steering wheel. Kinda easy to use. I take it your Yugo doesn't have that?
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kerewin21
12:38 PM on 12/16/2011
"How will you let someone know you're stuck in traffic?"

Easy. Pull over, THEN call or text. It adds 1 minute to your trip.
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rockv12
12:45 AM on 12/17/2011
If you're STUCK in traffic. Then you're not moving. How is making a cell phone call dangerous if you're not moving?