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Ron Paul's Iran Comments Raise Questions About His Iowa Surge

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First Posted: 12/16/11 04:00 PM ET Updated: 12/20/11 10:12 AM ET

SIOUX CITY, Iowa -- After Thursday night's GOP presidential primary debate, an influential Iowa Republican leaned over to a reporter for The Huffington Post and said, "Ron Paul lost the Iowa caucuses tonight."

Paul, the 76-year old Texas congressman and gadfly extraordinaire, went on at length during the two-hour debate about Iran, arguing that the U.S. should not use military force to stop them from obtaining a nuclear bomb.

"There is no evidence that they have [a nuclear weapon]. And it would make more sense -- if we lived through the Cold War, which we did, with 30,000 missiles pointed at us, we ought to really sit back and think and not jump the gun and believe that we are going to be attacked," Rep. Paul (R-Texas) said.

"You know what I really fear about what's happening here? It's another Iraq coming. There's war propaganda going on," he said.

Paul's philosophy that the U.S. is overextended militarily around the globe has caught on with many conservatives and Republicans, especially as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have dragged on for a decade.

And many Americans are anxious about the prospect of military action against Iran. But though Paul did at one point say he does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, he strayed Thursday into rhetoric that made it sound as if the U.S. should resign itself to such a reality.

"Ehud Barak, the defense minister for Israel, said if he were in Iran, he would probably want a nuclear weapon, too, because they're surrounded, for geopolitical reasons. So that's an understanding," Paul said. "So the fact that they are surrounded, they have a desire. And how do we treat people when they have a nuclear weapon? With a lot more respect."

"What did we do with Libya? We talked to them. We talked them out of their nuclear weapon. And then we killed them," Paul said, in a highly confusing reference to Libya's 2003 abandonment of its nuclear program -- which many attributed to its fear of U.S. military action after the invasion of Iraq, and to the death earlier this year of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

"So, it makes more sense to work with people. And the whole thing is that nuclear weapons are loaded over there. Pakistan, India, Israel has 300 of them. We have our ships there. We've got to get it in a proper context. We don't need another war," he added.

Paul's insistence that Iran does not yet have a weapon sounded at times as if he was arguing they will not have one, even if that was not what he intended.

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager, defended Paul's remarks.

"Dr. Paul once again distinguished himself as the only candidate with a pro-American foreign policy, and will gain votes because of it," Benton told The Huffington Post. "The media elites and main-stream talking heads may not understand it, but the American people stand with Ron and don't want to overreact and jump recklessly into another trillion-dollar foreign war."

Paul has made comments earlier this year that were tolerant of Iran's likely desire for a nuclear weapon, but has not touched on the subject for most of the fall. And after being ignored by most in the media for much of the last year, Paul has been the subject of increasing attention as the Jan. 3 caucuses approach.

Paul's campaign is widely acknowledged to have probably the best organization and the most passionate supporters in the state, and Paul has begun to head toward 20 percent in Iowa polling. There has even been talk of Paul possibly winning the caucuses.

But some said Paul's comments on Iran Thursday night may reduce the likelihood of such an outcome, because they will turn off some conservatives who would not have supported Paul in the past but may have been considering him in part because they are dissatisfied with the rest of the field.

"Last night's debate likely halted his rise," said Tim Albrecht, communications director for Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad. "It remains to be seen if he'll slip, however, as his supporters remain the most stable and steadfast in terms of their support of Ron Paul."

One Iowa Republican said that even if Paul limits his growth potential, he may already be able to attract 20 or 25 percent support from caucus goers, which still could be enough to win.

But Albrecht told HuffPost that Paul's focus on foreign policy "went precisely where he didn't want to less than three weeks before the caucuses."

"The biggest hurdle for Ron Paul with Iowa caucus-goers remains his foreign policy positions," Albrecht said. "His paid media and mailers have all been focused on the top issue for Iowans, the nation's debt. Ron Paul's biggest strength is fiscal policy. His fiscal focus has skyrocketed his campaign here."

During one exchange in particular, with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Paul was dismissive of a recent report by the United Nation's nuclear watch dog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that was widely interpreted as evidence that Tehran is rapidly closing in on producing a bomb.

"We have an IAEA report that just recently came out that said, literally, Iran is within just months of being able to obtain that weapon," Bachmann said.

Paul shot back: "There is no U.N. report that said that. It's totally wrong on what you just said."

Paul was partially correct. The IAEA report did not say that Iran is "just months" away from obtaining a bomb, though the L.A. Times reported the day before the report was released that U.N. inspectors believe that Iran would need only about six months to enrich enough uranium to have a nuclear weapon.

Bachmann noted simply, "It's an IAEA report." It was as if she were saying that if the IAEA is finally saying Iran is after a bomb, then even the most dovish institutions agree with what American hawks have been saying for years. The IAEA has been slower than many in the U.S. foreign policy establishment to conclude that Tehran is in fact pursuing nuclear weapons as its end game.

"That, that is not, that is not true," Paul said again. "They produced information that led you to believe that, but they have no evidence. There's been no enrichment of these bombs."

Paul's suggestion that the IAEA report was intentionally misleading sounded like "black helicopters" talk to the Republican official who spoke to HuffPost after the debate. Even though Paul's point was that there is no evidence that Iran has enriched uranium and weaponized it, to many viewers, his rejections of the IAEA report likely sounded as if he were rejecting the report's broader conclusion, that Tehran is actively pursuing a bomb.

This story was updated to clarify Ron Paul's claims in the context of the IAEA report.
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SIOUX CITY, Iowa -- After Thursday night's GOP presidential primary debate, an influential Iowa Republican leaned over to a reporter for The Huffington Post and said, "Ron Paul lost the Iowa caucuses ...
SIOUX CITY, Iowa -- After Thursday night's GOP presidential primary debate, an influential Iowa Republican leaned over to a reporter for The Huffington Post and said, "Ron Paul lost the Iowa caucuses ...
 
 
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Turukano 05:37 PM on 12/16/2011
Ron Paul] is the least toxic candidate by leaps and bounds. On issues particularly important to White Nationalists or the Pro-White in general, of all of the mainstream candidates: -- Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of "Hate Crime" Laws. -- Ron Paul is the strongest opponent of Amnesty and "open border" movements. -- Ron Paul wants to end birth-right citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants. --  Read More...
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08:49 PM on 12/20/2011
So sad that Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate in the entire race (both sides) that sincerely advocates peace and using our troops for better purposes back at home. Just imagine if troops were paid to plant fruit trees instead of walk around with guns.
02:16 PM on 12/20/2011
Paul's Libya statement was probably the clearest a politician has been on anything this year.

Jon Ward, if your confused by it you should not have been writing this thread.... no cookies for you today
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RonPaulorBust
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03:34 PM on 12/19/2011
War!! Yea!! Come on!! I'm signing my kids up today! Bomb, bomb, bomb!!!
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Amanda Hout Howell
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11:45 AM on 12/19/2011
I agree with Paul's anti-war stance....and nothing else. I cannot vote for someone because we agree on one thing. That seems so short sighted. When everything else you believe in feels like poison.....I just can't lend you my support.
11:33 AM on 12/19/2011
"What did we do with Libya? We talked to them. We talked them out of their nuclear weapon. And then we killed them," Paul said, in a highly confusing reference to Libya's 2003 abandonment of its nuclear program -- which many attributed to its fear of U.S. military action after the invasion of Iraq, and to the death earlier this year of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Mr.Ward you find this statement "confusing" ? Could you be more obtuse.
02:57 AM on 12/19/2011
Ron is right. This is all very familiar rhetoric to those who "choose to remember" the same talk that lead us into Iraq back in 2003. It is the same "rattling of sabres" that we've all heard before.

With this nation in financial crises, do we REALLY need to go half way around the globe and stick our nose into business that Israel is quite prepared to handle, "should it" come to that? Our national check book says "NO!"
04:27 PM on 12/19/2011
Our common sense says "NO" as well. It amazes me Republicans are willing to go to war with Iran after the disaster in Iran. Do they have their heads that far up their asses?

Ron Paul 2012
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Pearl Bay, Australia
02:19 AM on 12/19/2011
Examples of corporate media dismissing Ron Paul because of their ideological agenda:

"Mainstream Press Sniggers At Ron Paul’s Antiwar Message"

http://www.eurasiareview.com/19122011-mainstream-press-sniggers-at-ron-paul%E2%80%99s-antiwar-message-oped/
02:56 AM on 12/19/2011
It makes me sick, what they are trying to do to a good man who wants to protect Americans freedom. I can't even watch the news anymore, I get a lot of my info from the internet that they want to take that away from us now.
04:28 PM on 12/19/2011
These fascists want Permanent War. Everyone should read Andrew Bacevich to understand imperialism is bipartisan.

Paul is one of the last voices of reason in our foreign policy debate
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01:53 AM on 12/19/2011
A preemptive strike by the US on Iran, based upon the pretext
that Iran "might" be trying to build a nuclear weapon, would
quite possibly be the biggest foreign policy debacle in the
history of the US. So why does it seem that Ron Paul is
the only politician in Wash. DC who seems to be aware
of this...?

Selah
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read matt taibbi
Neither left, nor right. Forward!
02:06 AM on 12/19/2011
And why would it raise questions about his Iowa surge?

Is the author implying that Iowans are war mongers who would not support such a candidate?
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Quinny
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01:16 PM on 12/20/2011
The public is always six months ahead of the political "pundits".
This article is a perfect example of that....

"You can have guns, or you can have butter. But you cannot
have guns AND butter...."

President Dwight Eisenhower

The American public is tired of politicians who want to bomb
every other country on Earth because that country might disagree
with US foreign policy. We don't need more wars - we need jobs.

Selah
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02:18 AM on 12/20/2011
"So why does it seem that Ron Paul is
the only politician in Wash. DC who seems to be aware
of this...?"

It does not seem that way to me, at all.
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Quinny
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01:06 PM on 12/20/2011
Name another nationality known Presidential candidate
who has taken the same stance on Iran that Ron Paul
has. And do you really believe that Obama is NOT going
to sign off on an attack on Iran if he is told to do so...?
Because if you do I have a nuclear power plant in Japan
I would like to sell you...

Selah
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07:55 PM on 12/18/2011
A betting person would put money on Ron Paul:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=538232
07:38 PM on 12/18/2011
the collapse of the US empire right before our eyes. Romney wants to expand the navy, Bachman wants to kill 1.2 billion muslims, and Gingrich wants to make us all terrorists subject to government interpretation.
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Ali1812
04:06 PM on 12/26/2011
and obama is doing this without saying a word
i think both parties are to blame
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l78lancer
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06:49 PM on 12/18/2011
"Paul's philosophy that the U.S. is overextended militarily around the globe has caught on with many conservatives and Republicans, especially as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have dragged on for a decade."
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It is a bit disingenuous to pretend that the idea that the US military has been overextended is some sort of new found gospel simply because a few more republicans agree with that position. Most people on the left have believed that for generations the military has been overextended. Even now individuals on the right want troops left in Iraq an Afghanistan.

It is as though regardless of how long the left has espoused an idea, it doesn't have any reality until the right wants to exploit it for some political gain.
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07:50 PM on 12/18/2011
The Democratic Party is just as complicit as the GOP in feeding the MIC.
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02:01 AM on 12/19/2011
Totally agree
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l78lancer
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03:33 AM on 12/19/2011
Your response might be correct if it actually related to the statement in my post. But it doesn't.
11:38 AM on 12/19/2011
Think again. If you think extended means we should maintain the MIC the powers that be on the "left" agree. If you don't then we should bring them home. Ron Paul's solution.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/19/panetta_iraq_war_was_worth_it/singleton/
01:55 PM on 12/18/2011
“Ron Paul's non-interv­entionist foreign policy
http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?f­eature=pla­yer_embedd­ed&v=F9SOV­zMV2bc

Preemptive war and nation building will continue with any other candidate.

Ron Paul 2012â€
02:11 PM on 12/18/2011
I got a 404 on that link but you can gtet to the video his web site. It is MUST SEE!

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/12/17/have-trouble-with-ron-pauls-foreign-policy/
02:18 PM on 12/18/2011
Sorry, the link I posted keeps getting bumped. The video I posted can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsvf1HU0KHM

The one you posted is excellent too. One of my favorites.
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04:53 PM on 12/18/2011
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11:45 AM on 12/18/2011
It just surprises me each time I see these UN-educated, UN-experienced illiterates such as Rick Perry, Bachmann, GWB and many others like them are even allowed to voice their stupid opinions on subjects that they have no clue about!!! Please, in a nation that is supposed to be the most informed officilas, which has access to the best in education, why can't we find someone who can speak intelligently about subjects that will have life and death consequences in the future for our kids an dour nation?!!

It is shameful to see Rick Perry in a suit when it is clearly obvious he does NOT belong in one. He needs to put on an Overall and chew on a straw, maybe then someone will be interested to ask him how many eggs his best hen lays everyday!! Or Bachmann, or Sarah Palin who clearly belong in a strip joint. They would not be able to even point to Iran or Iraq on a Globe.

Nut Gingrich who presented his dying wife on her death bed with divorce papers and has affairs with his secretaries, is nothing but "LITTLE PIGGY FASCIST". God help us if he gets the nomination.

Ron Paul says it as it is and his Frank and candid opinion is his attraction. He is not going to be fooled by the special interest and that is why the Zionists and the special interest groups are trying so hard to undermine him.

Get real.
12:56 PM on 12/18/2011
GO Ron!!!! :-D
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01:48 PM on 12/18/2011
one the best posts I have read today. Fanned and favored!
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ivorykeys87
05:12 AM on 12/18/2011
Foreign policy is part of fiscal responsibility. This isn't the first time Paul has voiced his opinion on Iran. It won't be the last. It has not hurt his growth in the slightest. In fact, despite what these few people think, his steadfast position against war with Iran is only going to make more people sit back and try to understand why. More people are coming around to his views. Articles like this are only written in hopes of creating doubt, don't fall for it.
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12:16 PM on 12/18/2011
While there will be ice skating in hell before i vote for a republican Ron Paul would be the only republican candidate that does not fill me with fear for the fate of America if he won
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truesabil
02:25 PM on 12/18/2011
Forget about the labels. I don't care what party someone belongs to if they are making more sense on the issues that concerns me, that's more important. Don't let your allegiance to a particular party cause you not to use your moral logic and your rational logic to govern your emotional decisions. Your cause must advance upon moral logic and rational logic keeping in sync with each other as you move forward. One leg advances the other.
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03:01 PM on 12/18/2011
There are those who believe there are nine levels to hell. In the ninth level? EXTREME COLD! Get to voting lol
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12:29 PM on 12/18/2011
People do not realize that US has failed its constitution.

The constitution of US is a non-intervention document that makes intervention in other nations' internal affair almost impossible with many check and balances to restrict any preemptive war.

Both parties have passed laws against the constituation of US.

Both parties are promoting actions inconsistent with the constitution. One of them is to start preemptive wars. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Somali, etc are all against constitution because none of these countries pose any threat to US.

Now both parties are talking about "all options on the table", meaning another preemptive war with Iran, which is against constitution.,

Also it is against the constitution to put interests of another country or interests of international corporations ahead of interests of American people. Both parties have done both of these crimes against the constitutions.
01:16 PM on 12/18/2011
SO so true!! The Constitution has been quietly undermined for decades while Americans never realized because they had put too much trust in what MSM told them. They followed like lemmings. But a New Day has dawned and there is an awareness that people never had before. The truth is beginnig to shine and people can see it! This makes me so so happy. To see Americans wake up is a grand feeling. Ron had been writing bills for the benefit od us all for decades, but he was always pushed into the background so that Americans wouldn't know or pay any attention to him. He has a great love for this country AND it's people that so many were unaware of. Anyone that isn't aware of that has not spent time learning about him in depth and/or have fallen for propaganda. Ron Paul is our very last chance. If not him, then America as we knew it is OVER. It's that simple. Evern people all around the world love him, because contrary to MSM and polically paid hacks, they wish the best for us and have been rooting for Ron ever since the last election. I agree..... BOTH parties have worked at dismantling the principals that the country was built on. They've been found out. It's time for a clean start, a new day and time for AMERICA TO HOLD IT'S HEAD HIGH AGAIN. So I say, GO RON!!!!!!!! :-D
01:50 PM on 12/18/2011
That's not really true or borne out by history. The only contention in the Constitution is that the President is the CiC while Congress declares war. Yet the history of the US does not suggest it has hamstrung us from going to war at any point -- starting with (ironically) an attack on Tripoli. We've had no less than nine wars since the foundation of this country.

As for the rest of the comment, we have only one (1) Constitution, and it gets capitalized. It does not speak to corporate law and does not explicitly or explicitly endorse the doctrine of non-intervention, often referred to as the Monroe Doctrine.