National Defense Authorization Act: Did Congress Just Endorse Rendition For Americans?

Mother Jones:

Lost in the noise over the National Defense Authorization Act's detention provisions were some equally disturbing rules regarding the transfer of terrorist suspects to foreign countries.

Read the whole story: Mother Jones

Comments

[HamOnRye]

10:07 PM on 01/04/2012

What is it about the due process that wasn't working? What are they claiming is the need for this new authorization It is sad enough when thousands of people a year are wrongfully convicted of crimes and go to jail. This act doesn't even require a conviction, all it takes is to be wrongfully SUSPECTED and you could be detained with no chance of plea. To give this kind of power to any president seems way over the top. He mentioned in his statement he would not use it on US citizens. But what about the next guy sitting in his chair? This seems huge and I'm surprised it wasn't front page news all over the world.

[moutonnoir]

04:49 AM on 01/03/2012

this is g4rb4ge and people will not stand for it.

[GretchenMann]

05:19 AM on 01/03/2012

Moutonnoir, it is garbage but I think people will stand for it because no one really knows about it. I work for the army, and not one person in my office of 20 had any clue what the NDAA was. No one seems to care about what is (in my opinion) one of the loudest death knells to freedom ever heard in this country.

[Lysander Sponner]

08:13 PM on 01/01/2012

Notice HP has said nothing as Obama signs this into law
One step further toward collapse and dictatorship

[spud3]

10:22 AM on 01/02/2012

HP never says anything negative about Obama.

[errinhumb]

05:05 PM on 01/02/2012

Ha! And here I was thinking they never say anything positive about him.

[Richie MuadDib]

11:27 AM on 01/01/2012

This Act was signed by the President yesterday...any updates, HP?

[PRONESE]

08:57 PM on 12/28/2011

Comment Redacted.
R/ PRONESE

[Tea Hero]

02:03 PM on 12/27/2011

looks like robert mueller 3..

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[Vapula]

02:26 AM on 12/27/2011

People should be very concerned about these developments. They are the erosion of civil and human right that America has always championed and perhaps mark a turning point for the worse in American history. If those in power can commit atrocities with impunity against suspected terrorists it is only a matter of time before they turn such tactics on mainstream Americans.

[Elizabeth Conley]

07:57 AM on 12/23/2011

1. On March 5 at about 10:00 PM, ten heavily armed FBI agents, accompanied by three local police officers, stormed into the home of an American family and arrested a 16 year old boy on charges he made numerous bomb threats. (He obviously hadn't.) The boy, Ashton Lundeby, was taken from his family's North Carolina home, to a juvenile facility in Indiana.
The FBI searched the family home. They found absolutely nothing illegal or suspicious.The family has been told they have no rights to see their child and, under the USA PATRIOT ACT, the child has no rights to even defend himself. They claim the Constitution does not apply to this 16 year old, natural born, American citizen.
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2&3.
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Vance was a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago when he went to Iraq as a security contractor. Vance became aninformant for the F.B.I., passing them evidence that seemed to suggest that the Iraqi security firm at which he worked might be engaged in illegal weapons trading to officials from the Iraqi Interior Ministry.

When American soldiers raided the firm, he was treated as a suspect. Another American who worked for the company, but had resigned over the alleged weapons trading, was also detained. Vance was held for three months at Camp Cropper, America’s maximum security prison site in Baghdad.

The unlawful detentions are definitely taking place. How many other victims are there?

[Chopin]

04:56 AM on 01/03/2012

I suggest you make an effort to write up what you know, and send it to Salon.com, or RollingStone, or "The Nation" magazine, or "Democracy Now" TV network, or "Current TV". This creeping fascism must be more urgently known and widely understood by the vast majority of sleepwalking average Americans.

[moutonnoir]

05:36 AM on 01/03/2012

they support it. they think it will end the economic troubles... end the wars... end their misery...

just to not be 'responsible'.. amazing how the battle cry 'personal responsibility' is actually more of a codified societal deathpact!

[Chopin]

05:27 AM on 01/03/2012

Unlawful detention? NDAA just made it lawful. If contemporary history of the Third Reich and Imperial Japan is any guide and warning, this sooner than people realize will end in military dictatorship following in the path of historical precedents and global wars of aggression, or following the Latin America thirdworld model of tens of thousands of "disappeared people" in Chile, Argentina and Brazil in the 1960's and 1970's.

[Blackorpheus]

02:52 PM on 12/22/2011

What do we do with an American 12-year-old hacker "terrorist"? Send him to Gitmo, Bagram, or one of the other thirty rendition camps across the globe. Let the kid rot there without counsel.

[Vapula]

02:28 AM on 12/27/2011

Kill him with a drone attack on the grounds that he was a 'suspect' in anti-American activities.

[moutonnoir]

05:37 AM on 01/03/2012

What 12 year old hacker?

Get it?

[TheBurdicks]

08:15 AM on 12/22/2011

Disturbing, how rapidly HP moved this significant post down the front page, then onto a second tier page, then to a less accessible place on a third tier page, and now abutted against two (weeks) old posts misinforming all of us about the veto threat by Obama.
Come on HP, isn't this a little too biased, even for you?

[Forty5ACP]

08:24 AM on 12/22/2011

I too am surprise. With the moral outrage from the HP crowd over Patriot Act, you would think that this NDAA bill that infringes on I don't know how many of my Constitutional rights, would be front and center on HP, CNN, MSNBC.

But you notice how little attention this is getting. Very frightening. I wonder if the NSA is monitoring HP and our comments. Look out for those stealth helicopters and men in black.

[ohleslie]

10:24 AM on 12/22/2011

I am having a very hard time posting links to stories about this - found with some difficulty on the Huffington Post I must add - on my Facebook wall. Every time I try I find the comment and the whole attempt dissolving. I have yet to succeed.

[moutonnoir]

04:50 AM on 01/03/2012

HP CNNC and MSNBC have some overlapping financial interests they share with the military industrial complex and big banks..

[Spartacus2]

02:06 AM on 12/22/2011

Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same one-party coin. Moneyed interests own both sides of that coin. We flip the coin every 2 and/or 4 years and things only get worse. Why? Because we are dupes playing a "heads they win, tails we lose game."

If I could go back in time I would counsel the founders to ban all political parties and central banks in Article 1, Section 1 of the Constitution. And a, "Congress shall not exempt its members from any law it passes" provision would be real nice too. H.G. Wells, where are you when I need you?

[kasey phillips]

10:30 PM on 12/21/2011

No, i don't think so. All they have to do is SAY you are a terrorist. you don't actually have to be a terrorist and they don't have to have a shred of evidence. As long as they SAY you are a terrorist they can do anything they want to you. Just like when they passed those laws where if they SAY you are in possession of drugs they can throw you in jail. You don't actually have to be in posession of drugs. As long as the police are in possession of drugs and SAY that they found them on you then you will have no defense. Its the same thing here. In other words now you have no rights at all.

[andyou]

10:03 PM on 12/21/2011

"Did Congress Just Endorse Rendition For Americans?"
************

Did Congress Just Spit On The Graves Of Our Founding Fathers?

[Dave Harpe]

02:31 PM on 12/22/2011

Yes.

[Chopin]

05:38 AM on 01/03/2012

Spitting was when "Patriots' Act" was passed by Congress without meaningful opposition from the American people.

Now with NDAA, it's goodbye charlie, rollover quietly and dyie in submission.

[geaux saints]

09:40 PM on 12/21/2011

Stay home.Dont do anything.

[cvermeulen9]

07:22 PM on 12/21/2011

Well 2012 is comming up! I think it's time for some NEW " hope and change".

[MGLLC]

08:24 PM on 12/21/2011

Yes. But where? We have been checkmated, all our options & freedoms are gone. I saw there is a new party forming, registered in 12 states. I looked at it, and saw it was corporate, a way to "add more choices" to our system. That would be great, but the people behind it are secret, so it is probably just another scam.

[Dave Harpe]

02:36 PM on 12/22/2011

I don't know who will suffer the most, those who die in the camps, or those who have to live the rest of their lives in the hellish world which the fascists will create. We may find ourselves wishing all those end of the world prophecies will actually come true.