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Occupy Wall Street, Unions Learn How To Work Together, Slowly

Occupy Wall Street Unions

Posted: 12/21/11 06:58 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- During a recent demonstration in Washington, D.C., several hundred progressives gathered on K Street were protesting the same outrage but had heated arguments over how to protest.

Their differences were emblematic of a key conflict facing Occupy Wall Street today. In its short three-month existence, the Occupy movement has received support and participation from prominent progressives, civil rights leaders, labor unions and other activists, perhaps more than the original protesters expected. But shared goals don't necessarily mean shared methods. The very independent Occupiers are now struggling to figure out how to work fruitfully with more established groups.

On Dec. 8, a day that saw more than 70 arrests of protesters in the nation's capital, two groups -- one led by Occupy DC, the other by labor unions -- demonstrated against the same target: high-dollar lobbyists. As several hundred protesters organized by the Service Employees International Union and OurDC marched down K Street, some self-appointed "safety officials" tried to keep the group within one or two lanes of traffic. When a few hundred Occupy DC protesters met up with them, the Occupy group quickly expressed opposition to the idea that they shouldn't take up the entire street.

Occupy DC has consistently chosen to march in the street, with or without police blocking traffic, often walking directly against traffic and between cars. On that day, Occupy protesters decided to advance ahead of the mainly SEIU protesters and ended up shutting down several intersections on K Street, leading to a standoff with police for a few hours. At one point, the SEIU-lead group walked past and on to the White House and the Capitol. Occupiers tried to get the other marchers to stay and hold K Street with them, and a few arguments broke out.

Rob Fisher, an Occupy LA protester who had come to Washington on a bus with the SEIU, said there wasn't a problem between the two factions, just a disagreement over tactics.

"We've all come to the realization that Occupy is a progressive movement that is seen as radical," Fisher said. "These unions aren't radical. And they're much more controlled and much more dictated to."

The next day at the tent city set up for Take Back the Capitol events on the National Mall, a teach-in was held to explain what Occupy Wall Street is all about to the non-Occupy protesters. People from Occupy sites in D.C., Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia and a few other locations met with organizers of Take Back the Capitol that week to discuss how the Occupy movement and labor unions could help each other.

Since the start of Occupy Wall Street, progressive groups and unions have embraced the protesters. At the Conference for America's Future in early October, union leaders such as Richard Trumka, head of the AFL-CIO, and Van Jones, who is now leading the Rebuild the American Dream coalition, boasted about the momentum that Occupy Wall Street had. The crowd applauded wildly in approval.

DC Vote, Catholics United and National Nurses United regularly participate with Occupy DC on events. OurDC and Occupy DC have also worked together on a number of protests. In New York City, Mary Kay Henry, president of the SEIU, was arrested while participating in Nov. 17 demonstrations with Occupy Wall Street.

Although OurDC helped organize the Key Bridge demonstration on Nov. 17 with the American Dream coalition, media attention focused on the presence of Occupy protesters. James Adams of OurDC said he doesn't mind who gets credit for the demonstrations.

"There is a flood of frustration that you see in the District and across this country, and it's like a river cutting its way," Adams said. "Anyone who wants to join is welcome."

Michael Premo took part in planning meetings prior to the Sept. 17 birth of Occupy Wall Street. Before that, he worked with Organizing for Occupation, a group that strives to highlight the housing crisis. Organizing for Occupation and other groups joined Occupy Wall Street in taking over foreclosed homes on Dec. 6.

Premo said that progressives who had been targeting the same institutions at which Occupy Wall Street now aims have found a natural ally. And early on, they began seeking meetings with Occupy organizers to figure out how they could interact. For their part, said Premo, Occupy participants are pushing the older groups to move from traditional coalition building to movement work.

There's a lot of excitement, said Premo. "Now that they know the political and social space has been created by Occupy for these 'radical' actions, they see the value and the transformative potential of the actions."

Mike Rodriguez, a 28-year-old from California who participates in Occupy DC, has been involved in various left-wing protests for the past decade. He said he doesn't see any need to worry about the Occupy movement being co-opted because the movement has taken new and different approaches.

For example, said Rodriguez, "the action the other night with the barn raising seems so out of left field for people to understand -- even I have trouble understanding -- that it almost seems way too theatrical to be considered status quo." He was referring to the temporary construction of a barn-like structure at McPherson Square on Dec. 4.

Fisher argued that major change will only come if Occupy and labor unions work together, but he also believes that unions must be more than Democratic Party enforcers. They need to be "a protector and enforcer for the people," he said.

"We will unify on our actions," Fisher added. "Our desires are the same. It's just the way to go about it is just two different ways."

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ResearchtheFacts
03:06 PM on 12/22/2011
So many groups associated with OWS someone published an article. That this is just a drop in the bucket.
09:12 AM on 12/22/2011
This is a movement of the Unions!
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08:22 AM on 12/22/2011
seiu is to ows as lobbyist are to congress
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momoluvsu
We live in a parallel universe
07:16 AM on 12/22/2011
I support OWS building bridges with unions. There is much to be shared. Unions do need to support members interests first. Personally, I would like to see the more unions in Nursing, and more nurses speaking out for patients rights, and promoting cost effective healthcare. And if that means more churches providing space for makeshift clinics for the poor..DO IT..If the MDs don't feel its profitable to do primary care in those settings, let NPs provide primary care.There are nurses all over the US drawing unemployment. Some forms of health care reform could be enacted immediatlely and it would make a difference.
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JasonJM
Life isnt fair, get used to it.
04:11 AM on 12/22/2011
So the college Professor asks the class if there is income inequality. They cheer

in majority.

He then says that from now on, no matter how hard you work on your studies,

you will get a C.
Too make it EQUAL for everyone.
If you don’t show up to class all semester you get a C. We don’t want

inequality after all.
If you spend hours on your papers every day your get a C.

How hard do YOU work?
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Radar335
An eye for an eye and the world goes blind.
05:05 AM on 12/22/2011
Well, there is another perspective:

The Professor says: work hard, and you will be rewarded.

Some students work hard, others not so much.
Because the professor must issue grades according to normal distribution (Gaussian curve), there isn't an unlimited supply of As

When the semester ends, some of the really hard working and skilled students realize they've only got a C, while some of the not so hard working and unskilled students got their A's

How was that possible?
Well, you see, some of the more "lazy" students had very rich and influential parents, and they could hire lawyers and lobbyists to "talk" to the professor and the chancellor.

I'm not so sure wealth distribution unambiguously equals "hard work"...
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sherlockhemlock
Rocky Anderson for President 2012!
06:43 AM on 12/22/2011
On Wall Street it never does. As a matter of fact, it seldom does anywhere in the U. S. anymore. Servility, obedience, unethical scheming and scamming, desperate greed and panic-powered money chasing are applauded and rewarded as "smart" business practice. Welcome to the land of dirty pool, where we've allowed the cancerous growth of a management class that does nothing but cover its own _ss and declare everyone else lazy and/or inferior.
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Martha Fair
12:40 PM on 12/28/2011
A better question is how hard are the marginal student's parents padding the endowment departments?
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JasonJM
Life isnt fair, get used to it.
03:38 AM on 12/22/2011
WE CAN ALL PO.OP ON POL,ICE CARS AND INTI.MIDATE RA.PE VICTIMS!

YAY!
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sherlockhemlock
Rocky Anderson for President 2012!
06:44 AM on 12/22/2011
Fail.
03:20 AM on 12/22/2011
I do not want to see Occupy palling around with any large organizations, including unions and churches. The whole point of Occupy is that large institutions are prone to corruption and I definitely don't think the unions are an exception. We definitely needed them to protect workers but they should have been replaced with legislation a long time ago. Any organization that is virtuous and true is temporary. Otherwise, it gets corrupted.
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sherlockhemlock
Rocky Anderson for President 2012!
06:58 AM on 12/22/2011
Granted any long-standing institution can be corrupted, but why is virtue necessarily temporary? What exactly do you mean with the statement "We definitely needed them to protect workers but they should have been replaced with legislation a long time ago"? Because it smells awfully Right-wing.
09:26 PM on 12/31/2011
I am far from being right wing. I have friends and family members who are in unions and while they offer some protection, they also fail on many levels. I never said virtue is necessarily temporary. I said that institutions are prone to corruption. There are many wonderful institutions that either have been or will be corrupted. I'm not advocating for dismantling of unions by any means. I'm just saying that if worker protections were made into law, they would be unnecessary.
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Martha Fair
12:45 PM on 12/28/2011
Though your comment is commendable, the fact is that there is NOT legislation to combat worker abuse. Therefore, until we can replace them the fact still remains that when the unions were strong in this country, it enjoyed the highest standard of living that a country has ever experienced and the US was the envy of the free world. Till you have something valid to displace it, don't diminish it.
09:40 PM on 12/31/2011
I did offer something valid to displace unions: legislation.

I never said I opposed unions and I will always support workers' rights to organize. I just said I would prefer it if the Occupy movement did not align itself with any institutions whatsoever. That just happens to include unions. Corporations, churches, unions, and other institutions are not people and Occupy is supposed to be by and for the people. That doesn't mean unions and Occupy don't share messages or ideas; I just wouldn't want to see an official alliance.
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02:58 AM on 12/22/2011
David Brooks on with Charlie Rose claims OWS has no public support. Also says public doesn't fear unions, it fears government. Charlie nods in a agreement and asks his mentor to please tell him more.

It was nauseating. Must see TV though.
02:48 AM on 12/22/2011
The occupy groups are part of the 99 percenters along with almost every union member I know. It is natural they should join forces. They have the same goals. Getting a government that that promotes and protects its people. It is vey observable that manyt of the one percent have a disastrous effect on people in this country and around the world They work happily with dictators, political strong men. and drug bosses whenever it puts more money in their pocket. Meanwhile they call those who work for the people communists, dirty hippies, gestapo, even Nazis when ever they believe someone will buy the lie.
In Ohio we vsaved the unions for our state workers and the same people who worked so hard to do so wil work even longer as progressives to win this battle that we and the Occupy movement must win.No contrived division between us by conservative hacks will defeat this sense of joint purppose we have already. Occupiers, as an old guy, we love you. Keep up the fight , we are with you and we are proud of you. ,
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Ryosuke91t
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle..
02:36 AM on 12/22/2011
they just gotta know they have to be willing to sacrifice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBDgH435oaU
(the last minute is just too haunting..too reminiscent of today)

everything but their ideals..
02:08 AM on 12/22/2011
OWS will merely be absorbed by the greater political and financial power of the unions, who are its astroturfed benefactors. Thus ''strikes'' as in ports on the West Coast, will provide the counterproductive means by which the OWS will [has already as we have seen in earlier GALLUP and REALCLEARPOLITICS polls], will continue to diminish as a force for ''good'' in the eyes of American voters.
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Martha Fair
12:46 PM on 12/28/2011
Why do you hate unions. When the unions were strong in this country, it enjoyed the highest standard of living that a country has ever experienced and the US was the envy of the world. Weak unions make weak countries so I guess you like being poor. The Republicans try to make people like you believe that it is somehow noble and proud to work for nothing but guess what? I ain't buyin it and neither should you
07:25 PM on 12/28/2011
Corrupt unions make them even weaker, as Greeks or the French can instantly tell you.
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01:23 AM on 12/22/2011
The alliance between OWS and the unions is a natural and beneficial one, but there will need to be some kind of syncretism between the two forces, tactically speaking, if the want to coordinate better and work with one another efficiently.

I wonder if some of the "transformative" tactics that OWS employs aren't just really annoying and counterproductive. I'm not sure how much the movement endears itself to the masses by holding up traffic like a bunch of dbags.
01:16 AM on 12/22/2011
An economic policy for OWS: Even though some policies help the middle class - minimum wages, unions, and employer provided health insurance - they also create a barrier to entry for entry-level workers and the poor. This keeps them from getting experience and pushes some on welfare. We'd prosper more if they were all gone!
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thatsNotWhatIHeard
some people want tacos, others want ALL the tacos
01:34 AM on 12/22/2011
no minimum wage? sorry man, that's garbage. why are they on welfare? 'cause they're living below the poverty line (lack of income, low wages not meeting rising cost of living). people deserve to be paid a living wage for their work, at the least. health care would be nice too, otherwise an accident or sickness in the family drops them back to square one.

so how about we attack the problem from the other end, perhaps a maximum wage?
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Martha Fair
01:12 PM on 12/28/2011
"MAXIMUM WAGE"..... what a unique idea and a great one! LOL. Just the thought of it will seem absurd to most (esp the upper !%) and yet..they think nothing of abusing a minimum wage and wanting to go away.

They all complain about unions and how greedy they are when they think nothing of handling out a bonus equal to the lifetime earning potential of one average worker.

Who is the hypocrite?

What is even more absurd is how they have gotten the masses to actually believe their mantra that working for next to nothing is both a noble and patriotic pursuit.

Just have to fave you for a great new catchphrase.
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Martha Fair
12:50 PM on 12/28/2011
You pay for welfare if you are paying taxes. Yes you are paying welfare to corporations like wal-mart who don't even pay enough to their workers to keep people off food stamps. Yes you are paying for medical care when sub-standard working americans are forced to go to Emergency rooms to obtain treatment. You are going to pay either way. What will it be..Union dues to make more money or welfare, food stamps and emergency room care so that corporations can have the perk of being able to use sub-marginal labor so you must subsidize it? I'd rather pay for an org that is standing up for my own rights rather than Wal-marts
01:49 AM on 12/30/2011
Why so much hatred toward corporations, the entities that have proven to lift more people out of poverty than any charity? Why bad mouth Walmart, one of the most influential corporations in the world, who changed the way retail is run, and saves the American consumer around $250 billion a year on consumption? Walmart helps the poor by providing them inexpensive consumer and food goods, while at the same time providing jobs to the underclass and the elderly. You fail to see that raising wages and increasing benefits would raise the price of goods, lower their shoppers standard of living as they couldn't consume as much, and cause those working at Walmart and other low skilled jobs to lose their jobs, as they would be replaced by relatively higher skilled workers.
I know this point is hard to understand for some, so compare low-paying Walmart jobs to foreign sweat shops. Some think this is bad and we are taking advantage of their labor, and have been saying this for the past 30 years. However, what we see in countries like China, is it was their next best alternative to living in poverty on a farm. That's why, through hard work and savings, they have been able to lift themselves out of poverty, educate their children, and now have more scientists than the US. That's success, and if unions came in, like you propose, their jobs would have been eliminated, and they would have been stuck in poverty.
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Los Pepes
fearless bon vivant
01:15 AM on 12/22/2011
Did you see the video of the OWS mother laying her kids on tracks in an attempt to shut down a port recently?

With protesters like that it is amazing they have any support at all.
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Martha Fair
12:56 PM on 12/28/2011
Did you see the video of the Fascist campus security police spraying peaceful protestors with pepper spray recently?

With people condoing actions of this sort like you, you will someday need to come to the realization that if you are not part of the solution than you are indeed part of the problem. Do you like promoting the corporate casino that has become our government? Then just keep fighting against OWS instead of the monetary fascists who you obviously take your orders from.
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01:04 AM on 12/22/2011
A real union that represents its workers or a Stalinist union?
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thatsNotWhatIHeard
some people want tacos, others want ALL the tacos
01:35 AM on 12/22/2011
seriously?
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02:10 AM on 12/22/2011
Yes, seriously. The elite will always try to hijack a movement too their favor.
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Martha Fair
12:59 PM on 12/28/2011
Stalin did not need unions because the government owned all the corporations and farms, similar to the monetary fascists who rule our government now. Having money buys cheap minds like yours. It takes much more money to sway the educated and well-informed.
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12:31 AM on 12/30/2011
My we sure are witty. For you information I like OWS. I also have read a lot of histroy books and a few happen to be about Stalin. The OWS is always in danger of being coopted and yes if things do not change from the "elites" than there may well be a revolution. Tell me dear, how the revolution of 1917 start off? Did it not start off with the best intentions? How did that revolution end up? Please use logic not emotional attacks.
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12:42 AM on 12/30/2011
There is little difference between a fascists and a communist it is just some thug wanting your stuff. Don't you think the banksters should be thrown in jail on fraud charges? Do you really think this will happen anytime soon?