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First Posted: 12/22/11 01:21 PM ET Updated: 12/22/11 01:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- A top ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives on Tuesday defended his party's support for cutting 20 weeks of unemployment benefits, a position that has escaped much notice in the payroll tax cut debate consuming Washington.

Democrats want the House to pass a Senate bill that would postpone the January expiration of federal unemployment programs for two months. But even if it is reauthorized, one of those programs will automatically phase out next year, unless Congress changes federal law to allow states to keep it, a provision not included in the Senate bill.

"There are things in this bill as we pointed out that we had to make concessions on," House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Thursday in response to a question from HuffPost.

"That's the process. We understand that," Hoyer continued. "Unfortunately there are an awful lot of tea party activists who were elected to the Congress who don't understand compromise. That provision is one of the provisions that [Rep. Sander Levin (D-Mich.)] has concerns about."

When the Senate on Saturday passed its 60-day bill, which would also extend a payroll tax cut first enacted last year, Levin, the top Democrat on the House committee that oversees jobless aid, criticized the measure as "wholly inadequate."

"During this two-month period, workers in some of the hardest-hit states -- including Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Missouri -- are projected to lose access to the 20-week Extended Benefits program and with very little warning tens of thousands of long-term unemployed Americans will be cut off unemployment insurance," Levin said in a Saturday statement.

The Extended Benefits program is the last stop on the unemployment insurance train for the very long-term jobless. It provides up to 20 weeks of assistance to workers who exhaust 53 weeks of federal Emergency Unemployment Compensation and 26 weeks of state benefits. But the Extended Benefits program is only available in states where the unemployment rate has risen significantly over the past three years. Unemployment has remained stubbornly high since 2008, but it hasn't risen, which will make most states ineligible for Extended Benefits early in 2012.

Some people, such as Cynthia Rogers of Minneapolis, would lose their benefits immediately in January under the Senate deal.

Earlier this year congressional Democrats introduced bills to allow states to keep Extended Benefits through 2012, but those proposals have been ignored.

Republicans support letting Extended Benefits expire; they have also advocated cutting an additional 20 weeks from Emergency Unemployment Compensation. And they want a sweeping reform of the unemployment system that would give states the power to reduce benefits further and to drug test the jobless, among other things.

As Republicans have pointed out, the White House was the first to support an Extended Benefits phaseout, per the president's American Jobs Act. Asked about how the bill would reduce the total duration of benefits from 99 to 79 weeks, a top Obama adviser pointed to peripheral parts of the bill targeting the long-term jobless.

"The White House's American Jobs Act, I think, proposed what is one of the most robust extensions of emergency unemployment benefits," National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling told HuffPost. "That included an additional $4 or $5 billion for additional measures that could encourage work sharing, that could encourage people on unemployment insurance to have more ability to try starting their own business. So I think that we have one of the most robust proposals for extension that's been proposed by anyone."

Hoyer suggested congressional Democrats could use a two month extension to revisit parts of the bill they don't like, including the Keystone XL oil pipeline part. Without a compromise of some kind, federal benefits will disappear completely, standing more than a million people in January alone.

"We're prepared to [pass the bill] in the short term, so yes, we can work out a long term solution that does what we think it ought to do," Hoyer said.

Arthur Delaney is the author of "A People's History of the Great Recession," HuffPost's first e-book.

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WASHINGTON -- A top ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives on Tuesday defended his party's support for cutting 20 weeks of unemployment benefits, a position that has escaped much notice in t...
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confuseddemocrat 03:20 PM on 12/22/2011
During this two-month period, workers in some of the hardest-hit states -- including Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Missouri -- are projected to lose access to the 20-week Extended Benefits program and with very little warning tens of thousands of long-term unemployed Americans will be cut off unemployment insurance,"
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FanciullaDiMiele
Step1:Separate religion from the US Constitution.
11:40 AM on 05/29/2012
Democrats and Republicans: A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES. Why don't they set up a Debtor's Prison while their at it. Bastards. Now THOUSANDS of consumers will no longer have money to buy even necessities. Some will lose their houses or housing. So there goes the demand for goods and services WHICH MEANS MORE PEOPLE WILL BE LAID OFF. The ecnomoic spiral is now on its way down again.

My lontime buddy who had been a Democrat all his life, renounced that and is now an Independent due to all the rotton compromises made. I will now join him - I am now an
Independent. AND BELIEVE ME I never thought I'd see the day I would do that.

It just occurs to me that the BEST senator we have is Bernie Sanders and he is an Independent.
I wish he could be cloned and all his clones elected to run government.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
01:18 AM on 01/05/2012
To all confused liberals and Democrats, what do you NOT understand in the fact the the US is broke and the government cannot continue borrowing money from China to keep bribing you to vote for them?
Even the elected Democrats are finally getting to the point of 'understanding this'......

Wake up before we 'the 99ers' are all going to be transferred to China and start working their fields and farms for 2 Yuen a day......
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kemcha
liberals are destroying this country
10:52 AM on 12/24/2011
This is rich. So now the Democrats are attacking unemployment benefits by cutting back benefits. At least now they're acting more like Republicans and starting to be more vocal about it.

This is why Democrats cannot be trusted and why Democrats will never consider passing any additional benefits for the 99ers. While they have signed on as potential co-sponsors of the bill, it's oonly because of the upcoming election year and they want to be re-elected. Why else would the bill not have been brought to the floor of Congress yet.

After all, Democrats could have included additional weeks for the 99ers in this new "compromise bill" but they didn't.
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msanonymous222
Dismiss whatever insults your own soul.
02:21 PM on 12/24/2011
Far be it from me to defend them, as I'm disgusted with Republicans for being Republicans and Democrats for knowing full well that 99 weeks are still needed (and then some), but I can think of several reasons why it hasn't come to the floor:

1. HR 589 has 90 co-sponsors, but I don't think they have one teeny tiny Republican co-sponsor (as they once did with Collins or Snowe on previous bills) willing to stick their neck(s) out.

2. Without that Republican co-sponsor jumping on the bandwagon, it makes no sense to bring a vote to the floor when they know they don't have the support/enough votes for passage. It's going to sit in committee. Dave Camp has seen to that.

3. They see things moving backward (fewer weeks) not forward (more weeks) within their own party at this point, where they hadn't before.

4. And last, the 99ers themselves are to blame. If I had a dime for every 99er who still doesn't know how their government works in the least and makes no effort to learn, still doesn't know how their own benefits worked in all this time, and still can't even figure out after all this time that NO THIS BILL THAT PASSED DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU because apparently the concept of doing a quick Google search is a very difficult concept indeed, I'd be rich. "It's not fair!!!!!!!!!!" doesn't get a bill passed.
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kemcha
liberals are destroying this country
03:16 PM on 12/24/2011
Democrats could have included support for the 99ers in this tax compromise bill but they didn't. The Democrats could have included 99ers in the tax compromise bill from December 2012 as well but they didn't.

President Obama and the Democratic Party did not include support for the 99ers because that would have increased the unemployment rate and affected their approval rates ... the reason they weren't included is that Democrats are using it as a political issue. They won't approve unemployment benefits for 99ers because the unemployment rate will rise.
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KWiedemer
Denver Unemployment Examiner
07:50 PM on 12/26/2011
very well stated. I concur....!
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espiriteradio7
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08:53 PM on 12/23/2011
Peace, Love, & Global Harmony to All of God's Rainbow Tribes... Wishing everyone a Blessed, Happy, & Peaceful Holiday Season. The title to this article is a bit

ambiguous as it relates the DEMS position, especially in light to this paragraph ""The White House's American Jobs Act, I think, proposed what is one of the

most robust extensions of emergency unemployment benefits," National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling told HuffPost. "That included an additional

$4 or $5 billion for additional measures that could encourage work sharing, that could encourage people on unemployment insurance to have more ability to try

starting their own business. So I think that we have one of the most robust proposals for extension that's been proposed by anyone." and what's actually in the

"American Jobs Act" HR12: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:2:./temp/~bdKRWW:@@@L&summ2=m&|/home/LegislativeData.php|
both reflect an opposite position showing support not only for an extension, but more creative means to address the unemployment issue via, i.e.

entrepreneurial encouragement & support... Further evidence of governmental support for the unemployed creating businesses are programs like:

http://www.illinoisworknet.com/vos_portal/business/en/Home/. Those that are unemployed can check their states for these types of programs, which have

studied & followed the trends of long-term unemployed who NEVER stopped looking for jobs, are beginning to create businesses. This program offers

resources, support, alternative financing some of which come from direct government programs...
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:51 PM on 12/23/2011
DLC blue dog dems. Figure it out folks.,all the GOP/Tea are sold out and much of the Dems are, the DLC folks.

Vote for the Kucinich, Warren, Grayson CPC progressive Caucus folks, not the DLC, New democrats, pragmatic Progressive, Blue dogs, New American Foundation, Progressive Policy Council, Third Way DINOs.

But then vote for the Dems, including Obama in the general since the GOP/Tea are anti demo racy, anti republic, anti "the Beast" Tories. They are out to take away your very right to vote and reduce you to serfdom. Ike was the last good GOP.
04:34 PM on 12/23/2011
I don't think people with money, Democrats or Republicans, understand how hard things have gotten for average working Americans. They still think hard work and effort are all you need, but with unemployment so high -- the real figure is what, 20% or more, if you include the self-employed and part-time employed? there just are no jobs, no matter how hard you are willing to work.
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a lucky cat
respect is earned ...
05:24 PM on 12/23/2011
Who holds the office of President?????
Get the job's going are Obama 'will be sitting home in 2012..
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FanciullaDiMiele
Step1:Separate religion from the US Constitution.
11:45 AM on 05/29/2012
Fanned and Faved, Disketta!
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sylkol
You can't buy soap on aid if you don't have kids.
03:23 PM on 12/23/2011
It should not be quiet - Obama wants 5 weeks cut so the unemployment rate will look like 8% for re-election - it is not 8% it is that millions are cut off. The new rules should only apply to new filers.
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bkdodge4570
Native Hills
07:18 PM on 12/23/2011
You just NAILED why the democrats are happy about this.

It's all in the numbers to get Obama a second term.

They don't give a rats pink patootee about the people.
12:50 PM on 12/23/2011
As usual, Washington takes from our most needy and vulnerable citizens. Sure hope they all vote in 2012!
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FanciullaDiMiele
Step1:Separate religion from the US Constitution.
11:48 AM on 05/29/2012
Winderwoman1. Sadly they can't because in addition to wrecking the economy there is a massive move for voter suppression. This is the UGLIEST Congress and Wall Street in my lifetime.
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lowrodiay65
12:50 PM on 12/23/2011
I have an idea, lets keep spending $150 billion in Iraq and afghanistan and $44 billion on foreign aid per year.
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Elizabeth Walton
03:13 PM on 12/23/2011
You know the troops just pulled out of Iraq don't you? And you know How the Taliban took power in the first place? We refused to aid Afganistan in rebuilding after we used them to fight the Soviets.
Were you upset when Bush started the war or were you one of the "patriots" who wanted to invade wihtout and exit plan and who called the people who did not want to invade traitors.
12:13 PM on 12/23/2011
When I think I can't become more disgusted with our government, surprise! Democrats and Republicans in Congress had no problem ignoring the 99ers. Their justification was that they had to take care of the unemployed under the EB and EUC. Now, they are deserting the unemployed by trying to take away EB and using ridiculous criteria to get rid of EUC. This Congressional bullshit throwing must be based on their assumption that the American people are too stupid to realize that they are being lied to, manipulated, and "screwed" by not one party, but two. Democrats and Republicans are becoming equal opportunity "screwers" of the very people they are elected to answer to. They include unemployment in this two month extension, but it's all for show. Omission to the public of their true intentions is cruel and gives millions false hope. Drug testing is also a real possibility under this well hidden "screwing" of the unemployed. Are they trying to perpetuate the myth that the unemployed are "lazy and now they also need to be monitored for illicit drug use?" I guess that adjourning for the holidays was more important than providing for "our own". We were never given the opportunity to voice our protests to our congressmen and senators on the details of this two month extension and I, for one, will voice my disgust when I vote. Deception is lying and I won't vote for any of these liars. Hopefully I won't be alone.
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gmnielsen
12:02 AM on 12/24/2011
I am one of the unemployed, have been for a year! When it is mentioned about drug testing, I would like to know who is going to pay for the drug testing? It is not free! Also, do the repubs really think a person on unemployment benefits gets enough money to buy drugs? I can barely pay for rent, utilities, gas and food. I have two perscription drugs that I need and sometimes don't have the money for those...illegal drugs...get real, they aren't free either! Let's cut pay to all elected in Washington to minimum wage. It's suppose to be good enough for us, why not them!
11:32 AM on 12/23/2011
While we all bicker about failed policies of both parties,there are millions suffering and need unemployment help. So shame on the dems for their view on this no matter which party you believe is at fault.
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Elizabeth Walton
03:14 PM on 12/23/2011
and they still have it for over a year. It is not being removed entirely.
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Lady Saera
Love,love,love is the soul of genius, 'Mozart'
06:52 PM on 12/23/2011
Right, it seems as if at this point, both parties are letting those in need and the entire country, while they live well, have the rug pulled out from under them....this is exactly why I keep saying, somehow the solutions seems to lie in a third party candidate, one that can win enough votes.

Even a an Independent, Im a bit shocked, both parties seem to be giving the people their backsides.
10:45 AM on 12/23/2011
I am a committed Democrat.....and I have opposing feelings about Unemployment. MOST people on unemployment were either in mid to high paying jobs and lost their jobs due to cutbacks so that the business could continue making profits. In these cases....they ARE attempting to get the few jobs that are available to them that are close to their former pay scales, but these jobs are so few and far between that most of them have to remain on unemployment. In order to get a new job, they have to either take an EXTENSIVE pay cut....which is probably significantly less than what they made before they became unemployed. I am in this situation. I worked 22 years for the same company and have been in management for the last 15. I became ill, and the disease affected me to the point where I could not go back to my physical job. I was denied Social Security benefits, due to the fact that even though I am physically disabled, I am not mentally disabled......therefore I should be able to gain employment. I make more money in disability through my current employer (and a long term disability policy), than I would if I got a job that paid $10.00 an hour. Sure doesn't give you a whole lot of reason to go and look for a job.
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
11:27 AM on 12/23/2011
I understand your predicament, and I'm sorry that social security denied you. How old are you? Are you appealing their decision? I don't agree, however, that most unemployed are in mid or high paying jobs.. I think the spread of people on unemployment equals the spread of people in all salary classifications, though some industries have been hit harder.
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dailyfiber
The Truth: So Funny...It Hurts!
03:11 PM on 12/23/2011
MiddleMolly--I would agree with you that, historically speaking, the spread of people receiving unemployment compensation roughly equals the spread of people in all salary classifications. However, I would tend to agree w/ Laurie's commentary that A VERY LARGE NUMBER of people who were laid off were in mid to high paying jobs; maybe not "MOST", but a MUCH LARGER number in comparison to historical unemployment data (see my three previous posts for an explanation as to why).

Just a quick anectodal snapshot that I know of firsthand: I was a middle manager (with a College Degree) making 60K when I was laid off at the height of the financial panic in October 2008. I thought I would be able to find a job right away with my skill sets and work experience; but employers were simply not hiring anyone in 2008 and 2009. And when I eventually started hearing from a FEW prospective employers they made it very clear that, although I had extensive work experience and impressive credentials, they would only be able to offer an entry level salary (approximately $10 to $12.00 an hour) even though the available positions were not entry level! I now work part time making approximately $24K annually with no health benefits.

Maybe we are anomalies but I don't believe so. I know of at least four other individuals with similar scenarios: had degrees, had good paying salaries, were laid off and are now making significantly less (more than 50% pay cut).
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disgustedwithall
USA a Dalton Abbey, 1-2% up, 98% work downstairs
12:26 PM on 12/23/2011
You missed the part about if above 50-55 you are then "over qualified" by calendars. What is more amusing is when elected talk about 'we must raise retirement SS to 70" as anyone who thinks they will work in same or better job til 70 must be an elected type as real world is not such
10:20 AM on 12/23/2011
The Obama administration has created only debt, which is over 15 trillion and rising. The payroll tax funds Social Security and the government is cutting the only source of funding for an already strapped program. I am for extending benefits, but with conditions such as job retraining or prove that you are actively seeking employment to be a manditory element to recieve the benefits. Get off the corporate greed mantra! Corporations who are publically traded answer to the stock holders. Now a days your 401 k accounts are tied into these "greedy corporations" and as for me I want these corporations to do well, so I can do well.
What really needs to happen is we need to help each other in this time and not always depend on the government. You may not have much, but there is ALWAYS someone else in worse off. Do what you can. Help where needed. Give a hand up not a hand out.
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DFD CPA
10:27 AM on 12/23/2011
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.6 minutes ago(10:20 AM) The Obama administra­tion has created only debt, which is over 15 trillion and rising.
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Let's deal with facts and reality, mmmmkay?

I'm not saying Obama didn't increase the debt, but the fact of the matter is the opening balance was already at 8 TRILLION!
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lowrodiay65
10:50 AM on 12/23/2011
Republicans only create debt and wars and unemployment.
11:27 AM on 12/23/2011
And Obama added $5 trillion to the deficit, expanded Afghanistan, got us involved in Libya and dens caused the housing crisis. But let's blame Bush.
10:19 AM on 12/23/2011
Dems should track down the woman who said she no longer had to worry about gas for her car, car payment, housing etc because she had Obama. Would be interesting to see how much her life has improved since then.
10:57 AM on 12/23/2011
He is our lord and savior......
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
11:30 AM on 12/23/2011
We do now have more people actually working than we did when O took office. In unadjusted numbers, that is.
10:10 AM on 12/23/2011
The trillion dollar stimulus was supposed to create millions of jobs. We had bidens summer of recovery. Dems must have to wonder why more aid is needed by Americans when the dems have done such a good job
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DFD CPA
10:16 AM on 12/23/2011
conversely, we thought tax cuts on the "jobs creators" was supposed to stimulate the economy, what happened?
11:28 AM on 12/23/2011
They are scared of his policies. And now he's going after the coal industry which will hurt everyone.
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DFD CPA
10:18 AM on 12/23/2011
Free trade agreements were supposed to bring us "advanced" jobs. I guess you think the new cash registers at McDonalds and walmart qualify as "advanced".