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Keep Rooting Against Congressional Deficit Reduction Efforts In 2012

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First Posted: 12/29/11 04:34 PM ET Updated: 12/30/11 11:22 AM ET

As a corollary to my earlier post on that Lori Montgomery article, let's remember that if 2011 was a year in which Congress did very little to address long-term structural deficits, that's great news -- especially if you actually want those long-term deficits to go down. And rather than suggest that what's needed is some sort of leader to emerge who takes the reins of the debate and wastes another year on a problem that's not a paramount concern of ordinary Americans, we should encourage those leaders to stand down, focus on joblessness, or failing that, take up a hobby. Anything besides trying to do more deficit stuff!

As Brian Beutler explained in the week of the congressional super committee's "failure":

... if Republicans and Democrats keep failing to agree on this stuff for the next year and change, the result will be an extraordinary decrease in federal deficits — many multiples of what the Super Committee was tasked with finding.

We’ve been over this before, but the point is actually stronger now than it was earlier this year, because of the outcome of the debt limit fight. Between the looming expiration of the Bush tax cuts and other temporary tax provisions ($4.8 trillion), a large, scheduled drop in Medicare physician reimbursement rates ($300 billion), the soon-to-be triggered penalties for Super Committee failure ($1.2 trillion), and the resulting savings on servicing the national debt ($900 billion), deficits are set to drop by over $7 trillion automatically, unless Congress affirmatively stops it. That’s on top of the $1 trillion-plus dollars Congress banked in the debt ceiling fight.

Let's go to the chart from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

So, there's no reason at all to lament a year lost to partisan gridlock, at least where the deficit is concerned. The less Congress does, the better it gets, and a "grand bargain" on deficit reduction would be a terrible thing for the country. We should be having a short-term debate on if, how and where money can be spent productively to curb the massive unemployment crisis in America. When that crisis is over, we can happily return to a debate over the long-term budget trajectory, and probably discover that it's not as huge a crisis as we were led to believe.

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As a corollary to my earlier post on that Lori Montgomery article, let's remember that if 2011 was a year in which Congress did very little to address long-term structural deficits, that's great news ...
As a corollary to my earlier post on that Lori Montgomery article, let's remember that if 2011 was a year in which Congress did very little to address long-term structural deficits, that's great news ...
 
 
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dad4lifesl
Educated White Heterosexual Male
03:47 PM on 12/30/2011
“The best government is that which governs leastâ€
02:19 PM on 12/30/2011
The usual Liberal mistake: – Raise taxes on those that produce and they'll just keep on producing and pay the increased tax.. California shows how poorly that assumption works out.

How many people would start a business, work 60 hours a week, produce goods and jobs and then give their profits to the government? Why not, instead, sit home and collect government transfer payments?
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Gregory Osmond
03:00 PM on 12/30/2011
They lowered the taxes for 11 year, where are the jobs? Stop being a mouth peice for the Koch Roach Brothers and think for yourself. The truth will set you free.
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dad4lifesl
Educated White Heterosexual Male
03:50 PM on 12/30/2011
You never really addressed the point. Although taxes are part of the equation for creating jobs, it is not the sole factor. So what would be the point of raising taxes on the producers. What is the end game?
06:11 PM on 12/30/2011
to use obama's logic, it would be much worse with out those tax cuts.
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msbeal
Let no neo-con lie go unchallenged
03:03 PM on 12/30/2011
Do you have any idea how many modern conveniences are supplied to everyone who does make money in this society? People don't succeed in a vacuum in this country.

A lot of people have a lot of money right now and they got it from money borrowed and spent by the government over the last 40 years. It's time for the wealthy to set the tone by giving until it hurts. Then we need to cut the military budget IN HALF. Then we can talk about reducing entitlements.

And, it needs to happen IN THAT ORDER.
03:27 PM on 12/30/2011
There's nothing so simple as class-warfare rhetoric. Most people work hard and innovate to make money. Money they then spend or invest. If the government takes that money, then investment and jobs will depend upon what the politicians decide. So, you must think corrupt, incompetent politicians are capable of doing much more than simply stealing from the public.
06:20 PM on 12/30/2011
so instead of raising people up, your only solution is to bring people down? good attitude.

do you have any idea of how many modern conveniences are supplied to the entitlement class already by the wealthy?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277040/strange-facts-about-america-s-poor-robert-rector
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
01:28 PM on 12/30/2011
"The time to fix the roof, is when the sun is shining"

The time to address the deficit, was when the economy was good...............................

Until decisions made in Washington are based on what's best for the Country, rather than what's perceived as being best for the Party.......................................we're screwed.
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msbeal
Let no neo-con lie go unchallenged
03:08 PM on 12/30/2011
Of course you're right. It's basic keynesian economics.

You've got to ask yourself where was all this discipline from 2002 through 2007 when the economy was primed for paying down some of the debt? The last time we saw the discipline was during the Clinton years.

Face it. Bush took the helm of state and slammed it hard right and put us on the shoals. I'm not saying he was alone or didn't have 40 years of corrupt government to help him out because he most definitely did.
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stratego
03:47 PM on 12/30/2011
Poison Tea pollutes the country.
06:22 PM on 12/30/2011
the economy has improved since the republicans took over the house and stopped more wasteful spending and extracted modest spending cuts from the democrats
12:51 PM on 12/30/2011
After passing indefinite military detention why pass any further legislation? Just label anyone who disagrees with you a terrorist and have them locked away forever.
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emmanuel kalu
commonsense
12:37 PM on 12/30/2011
This would be good thing if congress doesn't do anything, we could really get some reduction on our deficits and debt. however we all know that congress is going to find some way not to allow this cut to take effect. This spending cuts are not the smartest way to reduce our debt, but barring any wise alternative by congress, it is better than nothing. however, we as a nation in economical crisises, don't need to be focusing right now on debt or deficits, but on employment and economical growth. economical growth would help greatly to reduce some of our issues and make it fair easier to attacking the long term deficits and debt. we just have to remove the road block to this, the republican party.
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stratego
03:48 PM on 12/30/2011
Let's fire all but a few, starting with the republicans, and watch the national coffers rise.
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
12:10 PM on 12/30/2011
Congress has done vitually nothing this year.
12:53 PM on 12/30/2011
They passed indefinite military detention and made sure the rich can write off their corporate jets as legitimate tax write-offs,
06:24 PM on 12/30/2011
the tax cuts for corporate jets was put into place with the stimulus bill obama pushed.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
11:12 AM on 12/30/2011
This is very true...any deficit reduction will impact the economy negatively...you can't cut during a downturn.
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loveO
A plague on both their houses
05:35 AM on 12/30/2011
Anyone else notice the asterisks at the bottom?

This assumes gradual phase down in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Also it assumes sequestration occurs. So the deficits showed aren't even as a direct result of the tax cuts expiring, it's the results of all these added together.
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Kate Zeiss
What fresh Hell is this?
07:40 AM on 12/30/2011
. . . isn't that exactly what the article said?
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loveO
A plague on both their houses
07:21 PM on 12/30/2011
The graph insinuated the changes were direct results of the tax cuts
03:21 AM on 12/30/2011
the same line of thought could be used on the economy. congress passes stimulus, economy stalls. congress does nothing, economy improves. go figure. maybe congress should just go away.
04:01 AM on 12/30/2011
Not really, because it takes the government between 12 to 24 months to contract out the bulk of the projects that was in the stimulus bill.

After which it trickles into the economy through consumer spending and company investments.
04:17 AM on 12/30/2011
please, the cbo has already downgraded the effectiveness of the stimulus, and even has said in the long term it damages the economy. it was a failure. plain and simple. it failed on every level

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/cbo-stimulus-hurts-economy-long-run/?page=all
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Kate Zeiss
What fresh Hell is this?
07:42 AM on 12/30/2011
I have zero faith in any fiscal theory that involves "trickling" . . .
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emmanuel kalu
commonsense
12:40 PM on 12/30/2011
it is not the stimulus that failed, it is all the uncertainty created by republican congress that cause the economy to stall. yes the stimulus could have being directed more effectively to only infrastructure project that were completely ready to go in a month.
03:17 PM on 12/30/2011
the republicans were not causing uncertainty after the stimulus passed, it was people like nancy pelosi making the wonderful comments like "we have to pass the bill to know whats in it". the dems had filibuster proof majority in the senate, control of the house during much of obamas first 2 years.
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
02:43 AM on 12/30/2011
Vested interest is the enemy of the General Good look no further than K Street to see the corruption prevalent in government
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Jerry Frey
unCommon sense for the common good
01:11 AM on 12/30/2011
Decide for yourself, it's easy.

http://napoleonlive.info/politics/facts-about-no-leadership-and-you/
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lulubelle1956
08:58 PM on 12/29/2011
Sounds great!

This means 2012 will be the year of the Dems being the party of "no" in order to trigger greater liquidity in the economy, permitting only sane cuts.
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springsm
11:30 PM on 12/29/2011
well let us hope so...what is good for the gander is good for the goose and the regressives need to see what it is like to be such a**wipes.
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emmanuel kalu
commonsense
12:48 PM on 12/30/2011
i really hope that Dems can hold their own and allow the cuts to defense to happen, bush tax cut to expire even if for everyone. and then begin the work of ending most of the corporate tax credit. the only tax credit that i believe should be out there is R&D.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
07:47 PM on 12/29/2011
Well, certainly SOME of these things would reduce the deficit. Actually implementing the Sustainable Growth Rate for Medicare that was first enacted in 1997 would save us a TREMENDOUS amount of money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Sustainable_Growth_Rate

You see, in 1997 Congress did a typically big government thing. They decide to hold the doctors responsible for medical costs above the rate of inflation for non-medical things, basically the CPI. If the total cost exceeded that threshold, physician reimbursement for Medicare patients would be cut back commensurate with the over-run. Nobody changed the standard of care, or the ability for malpractice lawyers to sue the sox off the doctors for not meeting it. Since many physicians lose money on every Medicare and Medicaid patient they seen, they threatened to stop seeing these patients - and Congress blinked first. This SGR has really never been implemented, but neither has the 1997 law been changed.

So let's do it. A LARGE amount of the deficit is attributable to Medicare and Medicaid. Once doctors stop seeing these patients, we'll save all sorts of money.
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mimssandi
09:05 PM on 12/29/2011
Except for the fact that these programs are self funded and are not currently running a deficit. Not even projected to run a deficit for another 12 to 15 years. Oh, does this mean there is no deficit crisis. Why yes, it means just that.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
11:28 AM on 01/01/2012
Actuarially unsound means actuarially unsound

Every Ponzi scheme works - for the first few years anyway...
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mimssandi
09:09 PM on 12/29/2011
No part of the deficit is attributable to Medicare. It is fully paid for.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
11:26 AM on 01/01/2012
No, it is not. Entitlement program musb be paid for on an actuarial basis - like life insurance.

What you are doing is saying that the Titanic is headed for the iceberg but we haven't hit it YET so there is no problem. The first part of the statement is true - the second definitely not.
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Gaylord P Farqua
Herb Gardner Amateur Chef, Historian and Political
07:17 PM on 12/29/2011
No need for anyone to worry that the Congress in 2012 will be any kind of improvement over 2011. The TPGOP will re-double their obstructionist moves to thwart any positive measures by the Administration to help the economy. They believe that a bad economy and high employment are their best allies to unseat the President. And, they are probably right. In the absence of a single positive plan on their part since 2010 more pain and suffering for the American people is the best they can hope for. The TPGOP promised jobs, jobs, jobs, and gave us a campaign against womens' rights and an array of nonsense that did not contain a single effort to ease the pressure on those who are unemployed, facing foreclosure, have lost health insurance and a million other problems. Their antics nearly crashed our creditability worldwide and did cost us our rating and not one of them cares. If they are given majorities again in 2012 the lives of ordinary Americans will suffer even more.
07:51 PM on 12/29/2011
Totally agree. No incentive to behave any better in an election year. Behave this way, blame the President, their echo chamber states this over and over again, the mainstream/lamestream media doesn't counter it with their outdated longing for "centrism and bipartisanship" without challenging the Republicans to do their part, the President and Congressional Dems don't fight back hard enough, the Republicans win. Easy formula for their success, bad news for the rest of us.
walkthewalk
Watch what people do, not what they say
08:13 PM on 12/29/2011
Fanned and Faved.
02:53 AM on 12/30/2011
Gee whiz....for being the party of brilliance you sure can't get much accomplished.

Perhaps that brillliance is all contrived?
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
08:01 PM on 12/29/2011
I think the TPGOP are actually being pretty reasonable. They aren't cr@pping on police carss and flags and costing cities that can't really afford it millions in police overtime and cleanup costs. They are simply exercising their franchise and sending people to Washington DC who aren't going along with the dem - or corporate GOP - penchant to fight over WHO to spend the money we are getting by mortgaging our kids and grandkids future.

They in tend to roll back big government and most people can understand why - we can't afford to borrow 40 cents out of every dollar we spend in perpetuity.
08:05 PM on 12/29/2011
And the TP didn't destroy the parks where they protested. nationwide it is going to cost millions in scarce park funds to restore the parks to their prior condition....
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
10:04 PM on 12/29/2011
"roll back big government" - - sure - except GOP/TP wants to legislate our bedrooms, our sexual activities, our women's uteri, and who can marry who. Seems like "big government " to me (or maybe big brother government!)
07:07 PM on 12/29/2011
and you show a picture of the dumbest member in congress
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
08:02 PM on 12/29/2011
I gotta give you that one. If brains were dynamite, Ms Murray couldn't blow her own nose....
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springsm
11:35 PM on 12/29/2011
She is not the dumbest. That would be DeMented, Foxx, McConnell, Kyl and the rest of the congress of baboons. Murray does a good job, doesn't have to be in the center of the rabble and works hard. And George...look at your micro bio and contemplate it. What a nasty thing to say. Oh...but wasn't there some dude named Didier in that state...was he your choice.