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Tunisia Manouba University Students Face Off Over Islamic Veil On Campus

Tunisia Manouba University

By BOUAZZA BEN BOUAZZA   01/ 4/12 01:37 PM ET   AP

TUNIS, Tunisia -- Around 200 students and professors demonstrated in Tunisia's capital on Wednesday calling for an end to the standoff by ultraconservative Muslims at a nearby university.

For more than a month classes and exams at Manouba University's humanities department have been put on hold by a sit-in demanding students be allowed to attend class in the conservative face veil, known as the niqab.

"Science before the niqab," and "no to shackles, no to niqab, knowledge is free," read the signs of the demonstrators, who urged the minister of higher education to resolve the dispute so that classes could resume.

University policy prevents students from covering their faces during class.

The sit-in has been the latest crisis faced by Tunisia since it overthrew its long-serving dictator last year, who had aggressively promoted secular policies.

In his absence there has been a resurgence of ultraconservative Muslims known as Salafists, who are seeking a greater role for Islam in public life.

The department's dean, Habib Kazdaghli, attended the protest and said that the people blocking classes weren't even university students.

Kazdaghli said the Salafists attacked him and prevented him from going to his office.

"The people not from the department should leave the premises and they represent a majority of those at the sit-in," he said, calling for the police to clear out the conservatives so classes could resume.

The actions by the Salafists, including calls for more public prayer, have put the new Tunisia government, headed by a moderate Islamist group, in an awkward position.

The governing moderate Islamist Ennahda Party originally did not speak out against the actions of the Salafists, but subsequently has condemned any violence or interruption of classes.

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02:24 PM on 01/07/2012
For me, the key to understanding this story an many like it is to recognize the symptoms of a civil war within Islam. The war comparison is appropriate because people are dying in this conflict.

One side, in this case some students and the administration, want some of the freedoms that are common under liberal democracy.

The other side correctly sees Muslim acceptance of the values of liberal democracy as a death sentence for traditional Islamic societies and want to turn the clock back--Islamists.

The two value systems, found in the UN UDHR and the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, are deeply incompatible and only one will be the standard in future Muslim societies.

It only remains to be seen how bloody this civil war will be before one side gives up.
03:11 PM on 01/06/2012
And, in other *related*?? news: Ismail Haniyeh is in Tunisia raising funds, and stating: *support for Palestine is a religious and nationalist commitment*. *Scouts* from Tunisia were supposed to go to Gaza, and Haniyeh also wants a Pan Arabic Army. Hm. But for today money, apparently, is just fine. Haniyeh has not been out of Gaza in a while, so he could have been going to get some fresh air.

The party is still going strong in Syria, I see. New explosions and dead people daily. And I can not help but wonder, is that also a religious and nationalist commitment? Whatever it is, really, is this. It is getting OLD. Do something new. We are bored to tears.

As for the niqab-wearing sisters, I see a market for vitamin D3 and calcium pills.Possibly also those depression-fighting lightbulbs, as well as portable oxygen. Breathing through all those layers of cloth can not be too healthy either. What can we come up with to keep the sisters healthy? Last night it was cold here, and my nose was so cold, I tried to keep it under the blanket, but I had to come up for air. The led me to wonder about the niqab-sisters. There must be many ways to make money off them.
11:48 AM on 01/06/2012
I think that this so called Arab spring is going to be a turn for the worse as far as human rights go and world peace........
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
04:43 AM on 01/06/2012
Second century Catholics also believed in totally veiling their women, and not just in church.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
04:40 AM on 01/06/2012
A girl taking a test in a niqab could be paid by the girl that is supposed to sit there instead of her. The teachers need to see the face so they can identify the girl and prevent test cheating. Also a niqab makes you deficient in vitamin D, we need sunlight.
09:17 PM on 01/05/2012
"science before the niqab" might be one of my favorite protest slogans ive ever heard.
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caseyjosh
faber est quisque fortunae suae. aut viam inveniam
08:04 PM on 01/05/2012
"The department's dean, Habib Kazdaghli, attended the protest and said that the people blocking classes weren't even university students."

Simple ... kick them out. If they are not students, kick them out. It's university's property. They can protest elsewhere.
03:18 PM on 01/06/2012
Yes. But that is too simple, and they would all have to go back to...*nothing to do here today*...Students, and no music, no dancing, no alcohol, not looking at the opposite sex, keeping your nose to the grindstone, and everything sauced with religion. And those will be the best days of their lives. Afterwards...well, probably not too much, not enough good jobs, still nothing to do, and no dancing, alcohol, or music.

When I was in high school, a long, long time ago, with a very strict father, I read racy novels, literature really, in the original languages, one my father did not know. He did wonder about my ears getting red, but, of course, that meant nothing. I did not hear anything, after all. I was just doing homework. I was a good girl. I just wonder about the niqab sisters. Any rebellion amongst any of them?
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loutrerouge
Defending reason, secularism and equality against
07:54 PM on 01/05/2012
It speaks volumes that when asked here, the defenders of misogynistic religious dress, like omobob and Rubiconski, refuse to answer a simple question as to whether or not they would support the right of white-separatist Christians to wear racist clothing in school?

omobob claims that to answer a question probing the consistency of his views would be "off topic" and even more laughably, an "ad hominem". Really think about the implications for discussion if probing consistency were considered irrelevant or a personal attack.
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intellifran
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09:33 AM on 01/06/2012
That's not the same at all. Racist clothing is separate from religious garb. The question is comparing apples to oranges and it is off topic. I don't see how you can't see that for yourself.
03:23 PM on 01/06/2012
Race and religion both start with the same letter,
r. Some people are speed readers, and just seeing the letter r causes a reaction; race. That there are more words starting with the letter r is irrelevant to them. Or, it may be too difficult the understand that race and religion are not the same thing. These problems appears on *discussions* about Muslim* as well as discussion about other groups of people.
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loutrerouge
Defending reason, secularism and equality against
06:06 PM on 01/06/2012
You refuse to see the similarity because you clearly give religion special privilege over other ideologies. Like the French government, I do not distinguish between extremist secular views and extremist religious views.

Some people are so used to showing blind deference to anything "religious" that they are upset by someone probing the consistency of their views.
07:51 PM on 01/05/2012
Yes, Ban the veil--and all public mask wearing.
I'm with the university in trying to prevent this backward and misogynistic practice.
02:11 PM on 01/06/2012
Whats funny is that the students apparently are on the university's sides as well.

from the article:
"The department's dean, Habib Kazdaghli, attended the protest and said that the people blocking classes weren't even university students." and the students who were couter-demostrating had signs reading "Science before the niqab," and "no to shackles, no to niqab, knowledge is free,"
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01:49 PM on 01/05/2012
I love how huffpo continues to concentrate to find stories about veils, Islamist etc etc making this religion the forefront demonizing it day after day. it is propaganda at its best and these sheep reading these articles who can barely read between the lines and eating it all up believing it word by word like some gullible 2 year old child. my question is this, what you get out of this huffpo? you want everyone to hate Islam, Muslims? is that what you're looking for because i'll tell you something, despite it all Islam as a religion is growing faster than any other religion so keep it up :)
02:28 PM on 01/05/2012
I think Muslims around the world do a fair job of promotong hate towards themselves. Tell me, what country can you find where people behead you because you are a Christian, find me a country where they riot and kill other than a Muslim nation, find me a country where someone is killed because of a cartoon, find me a Muslim country where there is tolerance for another religion??? We are all in trouble if Islam continues to grow at a rapid pace...education and tolerance is lacked in that religion...I'd hate to see my children have to walk around with their faces covered just because a Muslim man says they have to. Its a complete joke...that a Muslim woman cannot shake hands with a man or show her face...because Muslim men say it creates unpure thoughts???? What a silly comment you make about huffpo creating hatred of Islam??? or does Islam do it to themself?
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09:37 PM on 01/05/2012
blah blah blah 30 k converts a year in the U.S. alone!!!! :D
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outlawjames8
09:11 AM on 01/06/2012
How about gassing a girls elementary school. Women are the victims in most religions.
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loutrerouge
Defending reason, secularism and equality against
03:25 PM on 01/05/2012
"demonizing it day after day"

It speaks volumes that you consider factual articles from the news wires to amount to "demonising" a religion. You are basically calling for a liberal news site to censor any negative portrayal of religion, showing how illiberal you are.

"despite it all Islam as a religion is growing faster than any other religion"

Speaking of propaganda. Due to aggressive proselytising, Christianity likely remains the fastest growing religion. And unbelievers like myself are likely growing even faster than that as fundamentalism keeps up its ultraconservative actions (actions you apparently defend).
06:24 PM on 01/05/2012
growing rapidly amongst the uneducated and primitive societies in infests...fact is fact! if you don't like the truth...turn the page!
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08:01 PM on 01/05/2012
Ever hear the expression, "The truth hurts"?
12:58 PM on 01/05/2012
I believe, to put it simply, these are safety and ethical issues, not political or religious issues.
12:32 PM on 01/05/2012
Here's the problem: modern era is too unethical to mix politics and religion. Neither can understand the other as far as values and purpose. Religion , though still powerful, has lost its impact as far as values go and now politics is so influential that it has adopted religion as a weapon.
Here's a question: what are the legal rights of the students? The answer should solve the issue in logcal terms. Politically, the answer would start a Pro vs Con war.
11:05 AM on 01/05/2012
I wonder if the liberals who attack France for burqa bans will smear the university as "Islamophobic."
09:21 AM on 01/05/2012
These Salafis scare me. They are very dangerous.

But why is the school banning veils? They're just rallying up the crazies for no reason. If female students want to walk around with beekeeper suits, let them.
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Hey stop doing that
12:33 PM on 01/05/2012
The veil is about patriarchy. It isn't about choice or religion. If Lady GaGa takes off her clothes then the Arabs should do the same. If China sings to it's military then Lady Gaga and the Arabs should sing to their military.
03:07 PM on 01/05/2012
The salafists are truemuslims
04:04 AM on 01/06/2012
as opposed to whom?
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Shah Deeldar
Speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues
08:21 AM on 01/05/2012
For Muslim dominated countries, the choice are very limited. Live under the strong ruthless dictators or divine Caliphs, who are direct descendants of imams . Freedom of choice and democracy are pretty lethal to the Islamic ideology.
Satirist1
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11:24 AM on 01/05/2012
Exactly.