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Israel-Palestine Peace Talks To Resume Next Week With Little Signs Of Breakthrough

Israel Palestine Peace Talks

First Posted: 01/ 5/2012 3:19 pm Updated: 01/ 6/2012 3:02 pm

JERUSALEM -- Israeli and Palestinian interlocutors return to the negotiating table on Monday for the second round of rare face-to-face talks that promoters say are useful simply because they're taking place.

"We've called on both sides not to set preconditions, not to negotiate in public," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters on Thursday. "We are encouraged that they are both coming to the table, that they're talking directly. We think that's the best path forward."

Saeb Erekat, the chief negotiator for the Palestinians, and top Israeli negotiator Yitzhak Molho, met Tuesday in Amman, Jordan, in the first direct consultations for the two parties in more than a year.

Even before the meeting took place, officials from both sides seemed to rule out the possibility of a significant breakthrough, with the Palestinians insisting they would not formally negotiate until Israel agreed to halt the construction of settlements in the West Bank, and Israelis responding that they would not do so.

After the meeting, the foreign minister of Jordan, which has sponsored the meetings, confirmed that no major breakthroughs had occurred, but applauded the two sides for agreeing to continue the discussions.

"The important thing is the two sides have met face to face," said the minister, Nasser Judeh. "We held today a serious discussion that aims at launching peace talks at the earliest possible opportunity over final status issues."

Observers of the Middle East pointed to the lack of a formal statement of progress as confirmation that the two sides were indeed as far apart on the details of renewed negotiations as they seemed.

"After that meeting the statements were pretty clear that there was no breakthrough, which means if nothing else that there was nothing that was pre-cooked to be announced," said Marwan Muasher, an expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

On the other hand, in the world of high-level diplomacy where so much is typically pre-arranged and choreographed, some analysts say the fact that no one knows where the conversation will lead lends an element of authentic intrigue to the proceedings.

Defenders of the talks, including officials from the so-called Quartet -- the United Nations, the European Union, Russia and the U.S. -- point to the 2007 peace talks at Annapolis, where even though little was expected at the outset, both parties issued a joint statement declaring that a two-state solution was the preferred outcome for the talks.

On Thursday, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported that at this week's meeting the two envoys exchanged documents containing each sides' proposals for land swaps and military positions, something that had previously proven impossible in the high-stakes game of Middle East diplomacy.

According to the pan-Arab newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi, the Israeli document included several familiar points about maintaining defensive posts within the West Bank and along the border with Jordan, as well as an outright refusal of the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the land within Israel. But the document did reportedly include an offer to withdraw Israeli settlements from certain Arab portions of East Jerusalem.

The Palestinians, for their part, delivered a proposal that would see land swaps of 1.9 percent of the land in the West Bank, and a fully demilitarized Palestinian state.

Western diplomats described the proposals to Haaretz as "recycled."

The paper also described an aggressive lobbying effort by the Jordanian king to bring the two sides to the table.

One clear development, however, seems to be the emergence of Jordan as a possible new power broker in the turbulent Middle East, particularly now that Egypt has moved away from that responsibility, since the fall of dictator Hosni Mubarak.

"The big motivation is that Jordan is worried that if there is no two-state solution, the solution will come at its expense," said Muasher, who has served as foreign minister and deputy prime minister in Jordan. "So, that drives Jordan's efforts in general. But do they have something in particular that they think would push the peace process forward? I don't know. I doubt it."

Indeed, for the outcome of the talks themselves, old hands in the peace process say that any drama the talks entail is slight.

"The resumed peace talks are not going to lead anywhere," wrote former peace negotiators Daniel Levy and Leila Hilal on Thursday. "That is probably the safest bet that can be placed for 2012."

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JERUSALEM -- Israeli and Palestinian interlocutors return to the negotiating table on Monday for the second round of rare face-to-face talks that promoters say are useful simply because they're taking...
JERUSALEM -- Israeli and Palestinian interlocutors return to the negotiating table on Monday for the second round of rare face-to-face talks that promoters say are useful simply because they're taking...
 
 
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Ron Diaz
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03:36 AM on 04/29/2012
The United State of Palestine & Israel after all it's one land is it not..? :Mythology/Religion has no place in this time space reality...
02:26 PM on 02/10/2012
According to most, the Palestinians dont want peace, or they cannot be negotiated with right? How is Israel is so 'pro-two state solution' when they dont even want to recognize Palestine as its own state?How is it possible to have a two state solution with one state? Not possible. Israel is the true one that does not want to see the other survive. They are slowly taking more and more of the West Bank with the settlements. Don't you think if they were so pro-peace they wouldnt do anything to Provoke the Palestinians?
The Jews are the most persecuted people in the history of the world. They have every right to have their own safe place to live. I'm sure most people agree; if not then you have no heart. But is it right to give them their own home and a place to live, by kicking another peoples from their home? Its fixing one wrong with another wrong... how is that fair? Look at what we as a country did to the Native Americans.
Wouldn't it have been a better idea to give the Jews a portion of Germany to live in? All of this violence would not be if that was done. The Germans were the ones who gave the Jews their hardships. If i came to your home and kicked you out and said I will live there now, would you just leave or fight for whats yours?
02:16 PM on 01/22/2012
Hopefully something will come about from these talks.

These settlers must be stopped

http://palsolidarity.org/2012/01/each-arab-dog-will-have-his-day-military-raids-khalil-youth-center/
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Charles Queen
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01:59 PM on 01/07/2012
Having talks is all well and good if they can acomplish anything which I don't think will happen yet.Hams is still dealing with the palestinians and part of the conditions of any tals and also for them to be allowed into the U.N. was to completely distance themsleves from any and all terrorist groups,insurgents and any and all fanatical groups,the U.N and the rest all consider Hamas a terrorist orginisation.This isn't me sayin this,this is the U.N and the rest that are all involved.As long as they continue to do this stuff nothing is going to be acomplshed
10:01 PM on 01/06/2012
The Jew and Palestinian leaders should swap family members with one another as a gesture of good faith.
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05:15 PM on 01/07/2012
You sound like someone who has experience in this field. How has wife-swapping worked out for you personally? Was it positive for you and the others involved in the swap? How did your other family members get off being swapped around? They must have a lot of respect for your impulse to share and share alike.
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Fireslayer
08:11 PM on 01/06/2012
I want to see dramatic gestures from both Netanyahu and Abbas towards a break through in final status negotiations. Nothing less will bring the peace that responsible citizens in both camps crave.
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erehwon2
09:06 PM on 01/06/2012
Yeah, I'd love to see that, too, but I won't hold my breath for it.
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05:49 PM on 01/06/2012
Gui Montag and I were down there in the rat hole again (where there are no more Reply buttons), and I should probably leave it there. But what the heck? It's Friday. So here's what we were talking about.

I wrote: “The PA has already "made peace" with Israel.

These discussion­s are about whether and how peace is maintained­. One possibilit­y is human rights.”

... and Guy replied,

"The PA has most certainly NOT "made peace" with anyone, let alone Israel. When they finally do so, you just let me know."

So, let's open it up for discussion. Do you think that the PA's behavior is violent, that it carries out militia attacks on Israel, transgresses into Israeli territory, or threatens warfare?
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erehwon2
07:57 PM on 01/06/2012
Okay. I'll play.

No, I don't think the PA has done any of the things you listed, at least not recently. But it does give tacit and not so tacit approval to such activities. By airing TV programs that glorify jihad, including programs aimed at children, by naming town squares and children's camps after suicide bombers, by giving cash rewards to the families of those bombers, by airing documentaries on PA TV which call for the "filth" of Jews to be removed from the Old City and the Kotel replaced with housing for Muslims, by all these actions and more, the PA continues to promote violence and hatred against Israel.

So no, the PA really has not made peace with Israel. Furthermore, they continue to promote the lie that the Palestinians need make no concessions for peace and, indeed, appear afraid even to suggest such a thing in public. By continuing to allow this fantasy to blind people to reality, it makes it all the less likely that the two sides will come to a peaceful solution to the situation.
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Yarden
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02:11 PM on 01/07/2012
Yes, rockets into Israel and shooting up buses in Eliat is a sure sign of peace from the Palestinians.
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03:17 PM on 01/07/2012
Read the new. The PA does not run Gaza.

But the IDF does run the West Bank.
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03:55 PM on 01/06/2012
Israel made there bed by intertwining their settlements in the West Bank and now they have to lay in it by figuring out how to live with the Palestinians.

The best thing now would be to just form one country where everyone has equal citizenship regardless of religion or ethnicity.

Israel/Palestine could be the shining star of true democracy of the middle east if both sides could just stop all this "my tribe has more rights than your tribe" crap and learn to live together as equals. Instead it remains a de facto Apartheid state.

The idea of declaring a country for one ethnicity or religion is just stupid. Imagine where the USA would be if there was some stupid declaration were made the the US formed that it would always and forever be the home specifically for White Protestant Anglo Puritans?
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MelissaGoldman
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04:21 PM on 01/06/2012
Or rather, the arabs made their bed by attacking Israel repeatedly and losing and now they're going to have to take the consequences of never getting any (more) of this land back, eh?
Sorry, but Israel won't agree to be destroyed, try something else.
04:43 PM on 01/06/2012
Equal rights when Israel forcibly removed Jews from Gaza in effect ethnically cleansing it of thier own people while the PA have made it very clear that Palesine would be arab only. Also they want the right to live work and vote in Israel soemthing that would make Jews in Israel a minority in thier own country in under a decade,. Give your head a shake. Abbas can't even deliver on a peace agreement not that he wants one,just more aid money.
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Fireslayer
03:12 PM on 01/06/2012
Well at least they are talking again, albeit indirectly.

A grand gesture from Nitanyahu could make this bear fruit.

Don't hold your breath.
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
03:38 PM on 01/06/2012
A gesture of any kind from the Palestinians could go a long way. But that will never happen.
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cosmiczulu
let the good times roll
09:02 PM on 01/06/2012
Israel has made all the gestures, how about the other side making one gesture to show they don't want to destroy Israel and murder all the Jews.
02:26 PM on 01/06/2012
It is good that the Jordanians, for whatever reason, have decided to play the role of broker. It's not like you can actually negotiate with the Palestinians, they have no interest in compromise, just posturing, but talking is better than shooting.
mage
homemaker
01:34 PM on 01/06/2012
Liberty and Justice for all!! Just as we want it here, they should have it there!
Happy 2012 to all Palestinians and Israelis..May this year be the year that brings you peace and a better future..
The ME is fast changing, and this situation has to be part of the change.
Liberty and Justice for all!
02:52 PM on 01/06/2012
nice post
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Omega2012
01:18 PM on 01/06/2012
I hope they have baba-ghanoug, tabouleh and hummus on the table.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
05:26 PM on 01/06/2012
Bring some rugelach too!
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
01:08 PM on 01/06/2012
Ass-Backward Realities

Let's be honest. The Israeli story doesn't merely distort the truth, it turns truth ass-backwards. Eerily enough, its basic claims about the Palestinians more accurately describe the Israelis themselves.

The Israelis might as well be looking in the mirror and talking about themselves when they say things like "They are the aggressors; we're the victims just defending ourselves." That's part of an Israeli-generated myth of insecurity whose premise is that Israel bears all risk in conflict with Palestinians. Obama fed into that myth in his recent "Arab Spring" speech when he called, for an even swap: the Palestinians would get a state and Israelis would get security, as if massively stronger Israelis are main ones suffering from insecurity.

"Our commitment to Israel's security is unshakeable," and offered vague warning that "technology will make it harder for Israel to defend itself." Perhaps that was coded way of hinting that someday some other Mideast nation might have handful of nuclear weapons—as if any of them could threaten Israel, which already has as many as 200 nukes and can surely build more.

Obama called "the assumption of Palestinian security." That's how Israelis typically phrase their long-standing hope that Palestinian police will become what Netanyahu once called Israel's "sub-contractors," taking over from Israeli soldiers the job of quashing resistance to Israel and its policies. Again, the premise is that Israel bears all the risk.

more:http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/israel-palestine-ira-chernus
01:55 PM on 01/06/2012
I guess if you eliminate 48, 67 and second intifada some of what you say may have some reasonableness. But you can't ignore those events.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
05:28 PM on 01/06/2012
If you are going to write such nonsense at least don't start it with "Let's be honest."

(Or was that irony? If so, then...well-played!)