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Dems Fire Back At GOP Proposals To Drug Test Jobless: 'You Pee In The Cup'

Posted: 01/07/12 11:12 AM ET Updated: 01/07/12 08:50 PM ET

State Drug Testing Jobless

The past year has seen an unprecedented wave of Republican bills to drug test the poor and jobless. It also saw a smaller wave of Democratic bills that said in response, "No, you pee in the cup."

One of the most recent retorts comes from Georgia, where last month Democratic state Rep. Scott Holcomb introduced a bill requiring members of the local legislature to prove they're not Legislating Under the Influence. Holcomb told HuffPost he came up with the idea because he was struck by a bill from his Republican colleagues to drug test welfare applicants.

"I was really struck by how awful it was," he said. "I wanted to bring some attention to it."

Democrats in Florida, Ohio and Tennessee have done the same thing. Tennessee state representative G.A. Hardaway said his bill to test lawmakers was inspired by constituents annoyed with a Republican welfare-drug-testing bill. "They said to me, 'how do we know y'all aren't on drugs?'" Hardaway told local TV station WMC-TV. "I thought, well, you don't."

The trend started in Florida, the only place where the local government actually followed through with welfare drug testing -- at least until a federal judge ruled it a flagrant violation of the Constitution's ban on unreasonable search and seizure four months after the policy took effect. During that brief period, a mere 2.5 percent of welfare applicants tested positive for drugs.

A spokesman for Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) told HuffPost in September that the governor would be willing to submit to testing himself. But when Comedy Central's "Daily Show" presented him with a cup the following December, he declined to pee in it. Scott's attorney general Pam Bondi played along and provided the Daily Show with a cup labeled "Pam Bondi" filled with a yellowish liquid. A Bondi spokeswoman confirmed to HuffPost that the liquid was, in fact, apple juice from the cafeteria.

The drug testing action in the states eventually percolated to the U.S. Congress. In December Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) introduced a bill to require states to screen unemployment insurance claimants for drugs. A version of Kingston's legislation was included in a broader bill that passed the U.S. House of Representatives but failed in the Senate.

Assistant Minority Leader Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) called the Republican drug test scheme unfair and insulting. "I don't see anyone in the Republican majority demanding drug testing for folks who receive oil and gas subsidies," he said.

A spokesman for Kingston said the congressman would take a look at Holcomb's bill, but said "it's a separate point from what Congressman Kingston is trying to address with his proposal."

Holcomb doesn't view his bill as a separate point: "If they're gonna play this game, this is how we're gonna play it."

Asked how many of his colleagues he suspected might flunk a drug screen, Holcomb said he didn't know.

"I would hope none," he said. "Why would there be an assumption that someone on welfare would fail?"

Arthur Delaney is the author of "A People's History of the Great Recession," HuffPost's first e-book.

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The past year has seen an unprecedented wave of Republican bills to drug test the poor and jobless. It also saw a smaller wave of Democratic bills that said in response, "No, you pee in the cup." O...
The past year has seen an unprecedented wave of Republican bills to drug test the poor and jobless. It also saw a smaller wave of Democratic bills that said in response, "No, you pee in the cup." O...
 
 
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ghee99 02:56 PM on 01/07/2012
oh boy
liberals are so emotionally illogical
look, if a drug addict is getting welfare, you can be sure (if she or he has kids) that just based on the cost of drugs along (and not even taking into account their altered state being a factor in their poor parenting) that they kids are not being taken care of correctly.
so, there really is no point in giving active drug users free money (thats a bad  Read More...
08:20 AM on 11/17/2012
Go, Scott, go.
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shelbyanne
the unseen eye is watching you
04:16 PM on 11/16/2012
We should drug test all politicians.
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gingerred
Proud lesbian conservative
03:47 PM on 01/11/2012
I think that testing gov. officials is a good idea. I also think that we should don't be providing public monies to drug users even in states where is legal. NO TAX DOLLARS for
Street Drugs.
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Carpetbagger 68
I see my micro bio as half-full.
10:49 AM on 11/16/2012
Should we extend that to anyone who engages in sodomy where it is illegal?
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cobobs
05:45 AM on 01/11/2012
I have been working at the same profession, same state for over 20 years. All of a sudden, they start requiring fingerprints. When I checked, it was not state police doing the fingerprints. Somebody's private company was doing the prints at $75 a pop. The cynical GOPers will reduce rights to make a few more bucks. It is like the ghastly idea of private prisons. These dystopian ideas take hold and people do not even know.
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anon004
Yes, it's true -- reality has a liberal bias
06:00 PM on 01/10/2012
People who are insisting that drug testing for unemployment is necessary to keep people who are on drugs from getting unemployment are clueless. People who use drugs heavily get their income from selling it, and I doubt their dealer is, along with their federal, state and FICA taxes, withholding money for unemployment insurance. The point is that the heavy users are part of the underground economy and wouldn't be collecting unemployment in the first place, since they've never actually had a legitimate job. And, even for the people who once held down a job before they started using drugs, if they have any kind of significant problems, they usually wind up getting fired. And, when you get fired, you can't collect unemployment. So, it's a total waste of money and a means to humiliate people for no legitimate reason, other than to make some people feel superior because they happen to be lucky enough to have kept their jobs, at least for the moment.
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yukonsam
This space reserved for self-referential irony.
05:38 PM on 01/10/2012
Everybody who benefits from government programs can pee in the cup.

Social Security recipients, Medicare recipients, students, veterans, all elected officials, people who drive or ride on public roadways, people on disability, people who use municipal utility systems, people who get huge government bailouts, people who get crop subsidies, people who buy oil and mineral leases, people who use our parks, forests, and rangelands, people who use the public airwaves (broadcasting or receiving), people whose bank accounts are protected by the FDIC...

I think that's just about everybody. I apologized if I've missed anybody. Don't feel left out. Pee in a cup today and bring it to your local legislature for evaluation. I'm sure they'll be happy to help.
03:17 PM on 01/10/2012
Spending will increase with this bill. It will cost more to drug test them than the current program that we have.
11:19 PM on 01/11/2012
I would imagine it would since unemployment benefits for the unemployed is costing the taxpayers nothing. We have to keep reminding people...unemployment is unemployment insurance....you pay for unemployment insurance out of every check, your employer pays some too. Unemployment is not a government subsidy program.
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Carpetbagger 68
I see my micro bio as half-full.
10:51 AM on 11/16/2012
Actually, your employer pays all of it. But you are otherwise correct.
11:27 AM on 01/10/2012
I work in Construction , I build power plants and oil refineries for some of the largest companies in the world.When you flip the light switch or drive your car thats what we provide for you.
I take a drug test every time I hire into a new job and I and everyone who works in my field can be tested anytime for any reason.......
It is not an invasion of my privacy ...... it is so we can be safe and not be hurt by some drug addict on our job
The rest of you cry babies can work where ever you can do your drugs and protect your rights
But you will never work along side us
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Papapaul49
Driver,chief cook and bottle washer, retired LO.
12:56 PM on 01/10/2012
You know in one regard you're absolutely correct. It's just basic self preservation in your biz to not be impaired in any way. It makes good sense regardless of your position on drug testing in general.
The key difference between you and an unemployment receipient is you chose to work in your profession and knew the rules going in.
Without cause, a good and reasonable need to do so, drug testing is completely un-constitutional.
I think you might want to consider the economic gain testing companies, most offshoots of big pharma, have at stake here. The example of Gov. Scott's wife being involved with such a company shoud give us all pause.
Take care and be safe.
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anon004
Yes, it's true -- reality has a liberal bias
06:02 PM on 01/10/2012
The key difference begin that you aren't being required to do that by the government in order to get benefits that you already earned by paying unemployment insurance.
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DestinyKid
Well Balanced - Not too left & Not too right
10:51 AM on 01/10/2012
Now why do i remember the REPUBLICANS calling out for smaller GOVERNMENT? AHHA - wait this is the PARTY to the ridiculous, they want to reduce spending by cutting welfare - and so they decide to make people pee in a cup --- Now there is an Idiom for that - "PENNY WISE, POUND FOOLISH"
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soupson52
Truth to power pays big dividends
11:11 AM on 01/10/2012
Not if you are Rick Scott and you are gonna line your pockets with the profits from those tests. In his case it is "penny and pound wise." How does that crook keep getting away with it?
08:29 AM on 11/17/2012
Oh, the right wing wants less government in our lives--our lives? No, no: less government in their lives--lots more in yours.
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12bcox
your guess is NOT as good as mine
10:50 AM on 01/10/2012
what better way to pump money into the areas of the economy that need it the worse ie poor neighborhoods and the unemployed than by buying drugs? I think we should just make sure that they are good ol American made drugs and not that cartel crap.
10:23 AM on 01/10/2012
" a flagrant violation of the Constitution's ban on unreasonable search and seizure "
I will never pee in a cup. why should i have to prove my innocence? Not everyone who lost a job is lazy. Unemployment does not affect the lazy people around here, because they never work and do not collet UI benefits.
09:16 AM on 01/10/2012
drug testing the indigent and lazy wanting handouts is a good plan.....if you have the money to get high you don't need money for food or shelter
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catbyte
Anishinaabe in MI
09:45 AM on 01/10/2012
How is that "a good plan"? It's a good plan if you're the governor of a state who's in cahoots with Big Pharma such as Scott in FL and Daniels in IN. Why are people like you so mean spirited that you feel the need to completely humiliate people when they're already down on their luck? How do you propose to separate the "lazy" people from everybody else? Why do people of your party think having money makes you inherently more noble and worthwhile than the rest of us? It's baffling and disturbing. Go ask Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, or that pathetic billionaire heir who showed up on Celebrity Rehab how much they contribute to society. I'll bet not much.
10:25 AM on 01/10/2012
and the indigent and lazy still ask for tax payer handouts......it is telling that you skipped over my indigent reference

but thanks for playing
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cjohns58
Vet, Ind, Christian
10:28 AM on 01/10/2012
Glad you like it. Be happy paying taxes for 97.5% of the negative tests. I wonder how many of our congressmen are drunk on the job, especially after lunch. Now there's a hotbed of handout recipients.
Approximately 14 million Americans — about 7.4 percent of the adult population — meet the diagnostic criteria for alcohol abuse or alcoholism.
http://www.alcohol-information.com/Alcohol_Statistics.html
10:32 AM on 01/10/2012
so what is the point you are trying to push........
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brotherez
You Betcha!
10:58 AM on 01/10/2012
The point is how much of our tax money is spent on perks for lawmakers, including booze, Repub or Dem. I'd love to find out how much money the WH, SC, Senate and House spend on booze and dinners.
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demigoff1
For the people
07:58 AM on 01/10/2012
How about all our Congress and Senators pee in the cup first ???
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brotherez
You Betcha!
10:59 AM on 01/10/2012
Excellent idea!
06:22 PM on 01/28/2012
Damn straight. That way, the public won't have to wait until the politicians in question get busted for DUI or wasting taxpayers' money on tweaked out f**kfests with overpriced callgirls. :-P
dhodge
Atheist Libertarian, No god, No gov't.
06:25 AM on 01/10/2012
handouts shouldn't exist at all... period... whether you're a drug user or not.. Heck, if you're not on drugs, what's your excuse for not being able to find a job? No sympathy for the crackheads or the lazy bums, we're to blame though, not them; we're being enablers... and by we I mean progressive liberals who spend other people's money doling out entitlements
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Martha Fair
Professional RepubliBilly Factchecker
07:52 AM on 01/10/2012
How about the progressive politicians who give your money away to Health Insurance companies, oil companies and big Pharmie in order to finance their campaigns? I guess you think that is OK right? I assure you that the welfare dollar is a drop in the bucket when it comes to the welfare of corporations being insured. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain though....I guess you like living in a delusional world where the real problems are ignored.
dhodge
Atheist Libertarian, No god, No gov't.
08:19 AM on 01/10/2012
You're arguing the wrong point with the wrong audience lady.. L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N!!!!
09:17 AM on 01/10/2012
well said
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DestinyKid
Well Balanced - Not too left & Not too right
10:47 AM on 01/10/2012
Yep , I see all the fools bonding together - and giving each other a mutual pat on the back.
05:52 AM on 01/10/2012
If you want the check Pee in the cup.....also all adults over the age of 16 that live in the home should be tested .....This is a good way to fix the welfare problem and the drug problem at the same time ......Parents will monitor their teenagers activities more if their check is jeopardized
Also no felons should receive checks . we have supported them long enough in prison
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Martha Fair
Professional RepubliBilly Factchecker
07:54 AM on 01/10/2012
You are right...we should change this whole country in to a prison system where our whole economy is based on drug testing, incarceration and a big brother approach to government. Just what we need more BIG DADDY government. That kind of government is for people who don't think for themselves, so I guess this is why you are promoting it.
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anon004
Yes, it's true -- reality has a liberal bias
10:54 AM on 01/10/2012
Hey, when your kid gets that subsidized college loan, why don't we have everyone in THAT household pee in a cup, too? It's is taxpayers money that they're accepting, after all. Won't that make parents monitor their kids at college and make sure they don't drop out and study all the time is their loan is jeopardized? Enjoy the police state you are creating.