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Love Him Or Hate Him: Scott Walker Inspires Deep Disagreement, Even In How People Assess His Character

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Posted: 01/08/12 01:53 AM ET

Gov. Scott Walker: Uniter, Divider
Part one of a three-part series
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By Bill Lueders
Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism

Glenn Grothman is a true believer in conservative causes, but never more ardently than when it comes to the state's most controversial political figure: Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

"Scott Walker is a rare politician who doesn't try to make everybody happy with other people's money," says Grothman, a Republican state senator from West Bend. "He's the best governor of my lifetime. He's the least 'politician-y.' He's able to say no to people."

Grothman lauds the governor's attributes: his political courage, his willingness to invite controversy, his pursuit of fundamental changes in state policy.

Curiously, these are mirror images of what Walker's detractors decry as flaws: his stubbornness, his refusal to compromise despite profound opposition, his divisive agenda.

These qualities have made Walker, 44, a national political figure -- a hero to some, a demon to others. But no one doubts his passion or resolve.

Even after other GOP governors who've taken on public employee unions have distanced themselves from what Walker has done ("I love collective bargaining," declared New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie this spring) or been rebuffed (Ohio voters overwhelmingly repealed Gov. John Kasich's rollback of union power), Walker is holding firm.

Walker's supporters and foes agree that he is not like most other politicians. The first governor in Wisconsin history to face a recall attempt is bolder, more focused, less cowed by criticism. Where they disagree is over whether this is a virtue or a vice.

"He's not afraid of controversy, when a lot of politicians just are," says Orville Seymer of Citizens for Responsible Government, which ran the recall effort that led to Walker's election as Milwaukee County executive. "He's a strong leader. He’s got a strong following, more so than (Democrat) Jim Doyle or (Republican) Tommy Thompson. They'll follow him into battle. I would go into battle with him."

State Sen. Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, one of Walker's sharpest critics and a potential challenger should a recall election be held, accuses the governor of needlessly sowing division among Wisconsin residents.

"In order to get what he wants, he has made the state this giant coliseum and has deliberately put one side against another. It's the most irresponsible thing I've seen since I got here," says Erpenbach, first elected to the Senate in 1998.

Walker, in a recent interview at the Executive Residence, acknowledges having made mistakes in pursuing his agenda, but insists he's made necessary reforms.

"I was elected to fix the budget," Walker says. "I was elected to get the state working in the right direction."

A nice guy

Both Walker's friends and his foes are awed at his capacity to withstand negative reaction.

Here is a governor who can't go to either his Wauwatosa home or the Executive Residence in Maple Bluff without seeing an array of "Recall Walker" yard signs. Yet he shrugs it off, telling the story of how, moments after a passing motorist extended a middle finger, another drove by giving a thumbs-up sign.

It's clear Walker is able to choose which reaction matters most.

Though he's often accused of being on-message to a fault, Walker is willing to take tough questions from the media and members of the public. He believes in his ability to explain himself and to make a good impression.

Walker concedes that elections are popularity contests but says, "I'm less interested in popularity, more interested in respect." He thinks he deserves it: "I can be polite and still be stern. I can be agreeable and yet still stick up for the values I think are imperative to push on."

Full interview: Gov. Scott Walker, Dec. 23, 2011 from WisconsinWatch on Vimeo.

Patricia Walker, the governor's mother, praises his resolve, saying he's always stood up for what he believes. "He's a very upright person, very honest. He likes people. He's very concerned about people. He's always had good character."

Even Walker's detractors acknowledge that he can be personally charming.

"He's a nice guy, no doubt about that," says Erpenbach, who then pegs the governor as uncaring about the consequences of his political agenda. He thinks Walker has largely followed through on his campaign pledge to run the state like a CEO -- concerned about dollars and cents, not human beings.

"There is a certain lack of compassion that I see out of the East Wing right now," Erpenbach says.

Walker's fans think that's a bunch of hooey.

Brian Fraley of the conservative MacIver Institute, a Madison-based think tank, tells of how Walker, then Milwaukee County executive, came to his father/s funeral in 2004 and a subsequent memorial service for his dad and other veterans.

"Scott did this without fanfare and without political motive," marvels Fraley, who at that time was working out of state. "I wasn't a major donor or a politically connected community leader. I was merely a friend he'd known for about a dozen years who had just lost his father."

Fraley sees this as a testament to Walker's good character.

"He's humble," Fraley says. "He's a man of faith, but he doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He's nonjudgmental and doesn't hold anger or grudges. He was raised right, and in my interactions with him over the years, his true character is the antithesis of the cold-hearted, aloof caricature created by the liberal special-interest groups whom he's enraged."

Filling in the blanks

Walker's problem, Fraley says, is that the people of Wisconsin, including his Democratic opponents, don’t really know him.

When elected, he was "still basically a blank slate" to most state residents. His campaign focused on jobs and the economy. Other than his professed brown-bag frugality -- which Fraley considers corny but on the mark -- he didn't tell much about himself.

So when "all hell broke loose" after Walker moved to curb public employees' ability to engage in collective bargaining, Fraley says this created "fertile ground for the left" to fill in the blanks with negatives.

Walker’s opponents, it’s true, have found plenty of negatives.

State Sen. Chris Larson, D-Milwaukee, who served on the Milwaukee County Board from 2008 to 2010, overlapping Walker’s stint as county executive, notes Walker's skill at framing both sides of an argument in a way that affirms the correctness of his own position. For instance, that the state either had to cut benefits and curtail collective bargaining or else impose massive layoffs.

"It;s either this or that -- no other options," says Larson, who sees this as a recurring theme in Walker's pronouncements.

For Larson, the most telling moment of Walker's infamous Feb. 22 call with a blogger pretending to be billionaire David Koch came when the governor admitted having "thought about" planting troublemakers among protesters. This option was rejected -- but not, Larson notes, because it would have put law enforcement officers and others at risk. Rather, Walker told the caller, "My only fear (is) that it would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems."

"It gives you great insight into where his mind is at," Larson says. "Compromise is so unpalatable to him that it was the only thing that kept him from hurting people."

Walker, while chagrined by this call, makes no apologies for taking an uncompromising approach to achieving his goals. He tells of his experience in Milwaukee County, where he beat the odds to get elected and twice won reelection. It taught him the burdens and rewards of leadership.

"I think, at least in that county, what people wanted was a leader who was going to take risks, who was going to try to get through the problems and try and fix things," Walker says. "The board would beat up on me, the media would beat up on me, sometimes, and I'd get protesters there, although not as many as there are now.

"But, in the end, I was trying to do what I thought was in the best interest of improving my county. And thankfully, enough people in the electorate saw fit to agree with me, and that is the same approach I take now."

Next: How Scott Walker governs

Bill Lueders is the Money and Politics Project director at the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism. The project, a partnership of the Center and MapLight, is supported by the Open Society Institute.

The nonprofit and nonpartisan Center (www.WisconsinWatch.org) collaborates with Wisconsin Public Television, Wisconsin Public Radio, other news media and the UW-Madison School of Journalism and Mass Communication. All works created, published, posted or disseminated by the Center do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of UW-Madison or any of its affiliates.

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madisonhack 09:11 AM on 01/08/2012
Bill Lueders is a trusted journalist in Madison and this piece is pretty appropriately balanced. The personal choices that Walker makes speaks to his pragmatism but also his ignorance of economic realities. He is using the state as his test platform - I should say ALEC's platform, because Scott isn't bright - in a dangerous texture of religious rhetoric and theoretical economic models to justify sending  Read More...
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BrianPK80
Wisdom is having more questions than answers.
04:58 PM on 01/09/2012
It's amazing that when someone so brazenly impoverishes the peasantry of his own state, leaving the middle class to languish in poverty, that they are lauded for courage and heroism. I'd be pretty unconcerned with what the peasants thought of me too if I had the Koch brothers' billions backing me. Courage and integrity? Try cowardice and malice.
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05:09 PM on 02/07/2012
The unions contribute much, much more to political activity than the Koch brothers.
08:30 PM on 03/02/2012
Unions consist of many, the Koch brothers consist of 2.
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Phil-EA
02:26 PM on 01/09/2012
It’s interesting, an article on HuffPo actually acknowledges some of the other side of the argument when it comes to Scott Walker’s politics and people freak out in the comments.

However, I think it’s important to be aware of the two sides of this issue. Wisconsin was a state that was inundated with taxes and a daunting budget deficit. If you need to look at why Walker felt action was needed, just look at Rhode Island, where the state neared the brink of insolvency due to a mismanagement of their pension fund (http://nyti.ms/wn7HlE).

They’ve since seemingly rescued the state from the brink, but in order to do serious reform the pension structure was called on, and many current and future retirees had to take tough cuts to their pensions (http://on.wsj.com/zWQzTk).

The curbing of collective bargaining is a divisive issue, but certainly not without precedent (http://bit.ly/pXbwCd). Wisconsin is basically a swing state, so you’re going to find a wide range of emotions about an aggressive governor.

HuffPo leans left, which is fine, but I really think an article like this is important because even though many here might not agree with Walker’s politics, it’s important to see why some do because the last thing we need is to further fracture an already growing chasm in the nation.
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Beckel411
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11:22 PM on 01/20/2012
Wisconsin was one of the few states that was poised to survive the economic downturn. Wisconsin was one of the few states with a high standard of living for the majority of its residents. Wisconsin was one of the few states with exceptionally good educational system.

Scott Walker didn't come in to fix any of that. Scott Walker came in to line his own pockets and those of his cronies.

Scott Walker has been a nasty corrupt man his entire life. The only people saying nice things about him are the ones who want more money, power or glory for themselves.
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Phil-EA
03:01 PM on 01/23/2012
I’m sorry, but all I see here is rhetoric. What leads you to say that Wisconsin was poised to survive the downturn? While Walker’s legislation is providing results, not every district in the state can put in place due to previously negotiated union contracts. What’s happening in those districts? Hundreds of employees are being laid off because of unsustainable contracts (http://bit.ly/nfGqDq). Wisconsin, like any other state, is hardly recession proof.

When you talk about cronyism, I guess it’s just ignorable when it comes from unions. The Wisconsin pension fund was (and still is) a mess, rife with loopholes and exploits (http://bit.ly/oVovMT) that ultimately prevent the state from better investment in jobs and infrastructure.

Everyone wants power and money, and you’re kidding yourself in the unions won’t spend as much money as possible to achieve it (http://bit.ly/rdchdL).
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sackman
I never liked him when i liked him
12:19 PM on 01/09/2012
Did anybody keep count of how many times he said I, me, mine, There was no end to it, It went on and on . This guys on a campaign to soften his image, But the people of Wisconsin know better. He also said when he came into office , he saw the problem and went right out and fixed them, Totallaly disregarding the voting public, How arrogant can someone be. But I shouldent be surprised,. He is a republican.......Obama 2012...........
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lvbrun
Acta non verba
11:54 AM on 01/09/2012
Having the support of your mom is not exactly a convincing endorsement. Attila the Hun had a mother who thought he was exceptional too.
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linnwood
11:42 AM on 01/09/2012
When Scott was thinking about putting a plant in with the protesters to cause trouble,did he consider his mother?.....Of course not,she just said he's an upright,honest person.
11:33 AM on 01/09/2012
So did he raise taxes on the rich in his state to help work out the budget problems or cutting the throats of the poor and slashing the working citizens gonna do it? He may think he's all good but unless he has policy that insures the rich hurt as much as the poor and working he's nothing more than any other politician we have now that's mastered speaking out of both sides of their mouth.
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Fnordpocalypse
THEY LIVE - WE SLEEP
11:11 AM on 01/09/2012
And if you can't trust the unbiased view of someone's mom, who can you trust?
11:38 AM on 01/09/2012
Sure... a mother CANNOT BE UNBIASED. I love my son. I think the world revolves around him. I think he is a perfect child. I clearly know even my family doesn't feel the same. That's OK. But I am not blind when he blows it and really makes a bad decision I give him the "mom's evil eye" look to let him know....bad move son.

Unbiased...one just has to laugh. I think she should give him a swift one when he's not looking...I would!
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Khoi Nguyen
11:08 AM on 01/09/2012
Wut? He needs his mommy to fight for him?
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librldem
Snarking for Merika n jebus! Glory!
11:04 AM on 01/09/2012
Walkers mommy is obviously a double-bagger.
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
11:04 AM on 01/09/2012
Republican projectionism example #455: Walker decries outside 'Leftist' money influencing state politics, WHILE he attends a DC fundraiser.
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AngryMonkey
Stop believing in fairy tales
11:03 AM on 01/09/2012
When it comes to your kids, love is blind. ergo... Who cares what Scott's mommy thinks?
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
10:58 AM on 01/09/2012
Walker has sold Wisconsin assets to outside corporations in no-bid sales. He is a bad mom, whether his mom believes it or not.

"Sale or contractual operation of state-owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947954/-The-other-part-of-the-Scott-Walker-plan:-Firesale-of-Wisconsin-state-assets
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
10:54 AM on 01/09/2012
Did his mom mention the trip she and her husband made tot he hardware store last winter??
They tried to get the store manager to GIVE them a snow shovel, because her son was the governor.
Vyslichajici
private american citizen
10:26 AM on 01/09/2012
bill leuders is polluting the internet with reams of pro-walker hagiography.
scott walker is a dissembling, misguided pawn of international corporate interests.
he is like a ballet dancer who has no idea who funds the theater.

american citizens need to eradicate politicians who are mere products installed by corporations. walker is of that ilk. his recall is important. american workers must work to keep their freedoms, or the country will be diminished into a slave state of international banks.
Rowwdy
Truth Will Set You Free
10:22 AM on 01/09/2012
*How old is Walkers mother? If she’s at retirement age is she taking advantage of Social Security and Medicare???
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
11:02 AM on 01/09/2012
I sure hope NOT! That's socialism! As "a very upright, very honest" American, I am sure that Walker has encouraged his mother to forgo any government benefits in these trying economic times.