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HSBC's Fine In Foreclosure Case Less Than 'A Slap On The Wrist,' Lawyer Says

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/09/12 12:53 PM ET Updated: 01/09/12 05:57 PM ET

The process known as foreclosure mediation is often cited as a way for distressed homeowners to help themselves -- to sit down with lenders and renegotiate the terms of a mortgage so that nobody has to lose their home.

But as a recent court decision in Nevada illustrates, the mediation process doesn't always work out to the homeowners' advantage.

In the Nevada case, a judge ordered HSBC to pay a sanction after the bank was found to have been negotiating in bad faith with Emiliano Pasillas, a Reno homeowner seeking foreclosure mediation.

The amount of that sanction? Twenty-five hundred dollars plus mediation costs, which Pasillas's lawyer says "isn't even a slap on the wrist," according to the Reno Gazette-Journal. And Pasillas can't use any of that money to cover his legal expenses.

It's the latest example of how foreclosure mediation has disappointed some advocates of the program who see it as a way for homeowners to empower themselves. In Maryland, a surprisingly low number of homeowners -- fewer than 1,000, according to Mother Jones -- had sought help through the mediation process as of last May, and only 56 of them had actually managed to get their loans modified. And in Florida, the state just pulled the plug on its mandatory foreclosure mediation program last month, after a report showed that only 4 percent of eligible cases were successfully negotiated to a conclusion.

Some argue that because the mediation process slows down the pace of individual cases, it's one of the reasons that court systems across the country remain clogged with foreclosure cases.

Millions of properties have entered foreclosure but not yet reached the final stage, meaning that in the states where foreclosures are handled by the courts, many homeowners are hanging around in an uncomfortable state of limbo. Meanwhile, the foreclosed properties act as a heavy weight on local real estate values, dragging neighborhood prices down and damaging homeowner wealth.

The so-called "shadow inventory" of foreclosed homes that have yet to reach the market are keeping prices low nationwide, further delaying a meaningful recovery in the housing sector.

Though foreclosure mediation hasn't always benefited the homeowner, some regions have reported success using the program. In Philadelphia, for example, almost 85 percent of homeowners who met with mortgage lenders through a mediation program reported still being in their homes 18 months later.

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The process known as foreclosure mediation is often cited as a way for distressed homeowners to help themselves -- to sit down with lenders and renegotiate the terms of a mortgage so that nobody has t...
The process known as foreclosure mediation is often cited as a way for distressed homeowners to help themselves -- to sit down with lenders and renegotiate the terms of a mortgage so that nobody has t...
 
 
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04:17 AM on 01/11/2012
HSBC is up there with country wide and BofA but being a foreign own bank, they are able to sneak out the country after receiving tarp.
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kamact
Market Observer
12:43 AM on 01/11/2012
State-sponsored,...
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Dad of Marine
Army Vet- Latino Liberal-Progressive - Confident
09:05 PM on 01/10/2012
What! This was a crime of the century! They raided the coffers of hard working class Americans to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in not trillions and they get a slap in the face!
Wow, and criminals in the hands of law enforcement today who have stolen a loaf of bread are doing in some cases, 10 years of hard time, if not more.
and these guys get their hands slapped, How do you explain the logic to this when you try and tell young children about laws and enforcement in this country! Unbelievable. I guess you have to say crime doesn't pay, UNLESS you are a bankster or have access to the RICH!
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Gurinder Dhillon
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08:26 AM on 01/10/2012
BANK OWNED
The Law
07:47 AM on 01/10/2012
OK- Every day I read an article about something that the 'big bad banks' are doing now to the poor unsuspecting bamboozled public. Are we all that stupid that we cannot read the disclosures that are required with every transaction, product, service, process involved with banking? When did we all become incapable of making decisions or reading. Do you really want our messed up government making decisions for us? Are we not adults responsible for our own actions?


Wallstreet was a tremendous scam and is now completely ignored. Put the focus back on changing the large monopolies that our government and the world allowed to the createad and stop making excuses for those who bought beyond thier means.
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strangervessell
Cold War Submarine Veteran During Reagan Years
01:56 PM on 12/13/2012
Still "due" for the 6-1-2007 payment & still here, in our home of 20 years. I stood up to HSBC, the largest foreclosure law firm in SC, & a crooked judge forced to "retire" over our case. I read every document at 2 simultaneous closings set up by Beneficial/HSBC. They told us what our home appraised for,but wouldn't let us see the appraisal. At closing I signed a document that said I had the right to request a copy of the appraisal within 60-days after closing. I ordered it immediately and found out HSBC's appraiser rigged the appraisal by adding 503 SQF, Fireplace, Screened Porch, upgraded carpet & flooring (our house had no carpet, no tile, no hardwood - nothing, just plywood - because I ran out of money during remodeling. 1/2 the outlets/switches had wiring hanging out, 25% of the house had no sheetrock, etc... The 2nd closing we had with the re-fi was an unsecured $25k loan to payoff debts so we would qualify for the re-fi. The mgr at HSBC gave us that loan with another HSBC corp. & hid it from their underwriter. Still here, in my house, 5 1/2 years later $103,092 past-due hoping the court agrees that HSBC's unclean hands invalidates the mort. If not, that's ok because they waived their right to a deficiency judgment (irreversible) so they could foreclose quicker. HSBC didn't read the "documents" of the law saying their conduct was illegal and the mortgage unenforceable.
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Bernard Gabriel Pelaire
Eats shoots and leaves
03:23 AM on 01/10/2012
And the judge owns stock in....? His nephew works for....?

Obama, Congress - wake up - you bailed out the wrong class back in 2009. It would have been cheaper to pay off everyone's mortgage with a .03% tax on millionaires. I mean, everyone, delinquent or not. Think how much extra $$ would then come into the economy... I know, wishful thinking.
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strangervessell
Cold War Submarine Veteran During Reagan Years
02:12 PM on 12/13/2012
No, the judge now works for the banks. Google "Master in equity judge Patrick Watts SC"
he was the foreclosure judge in our case that I helped get off the bench. He was forced to resign, or rather "retire" because of judicial misconduct. He was the foreclosure Judge in our county for almost 20 years. He resigned on December 31, 2010. A few days later, the new acting foreclosure judge (who was also the chief judge in the county) appointed him as "special" Referee and he continued to handle the foreclosures for several months. Instead of the county paying him, he got paid by the banks directly. Unbelievable - read the news stories by google searching
11:46 PM on 01/09/2012
I just love it when a judge show who they really work for.
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strangervessell
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01:58 PM on 12/13/2012
Google "Judge Patrick Watts Dorchester County SC"
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kamact
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10:46 PM on 01/09/2012
State-sponsored banksters,....masters of crony capitalism,....
10:45 PM on 01/09/2012
Walk away from the inflated mortgage payment and STICK IT TO THE GREEDY BANKSTERS!

-The Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007-

"Under the Mortgage Forgivenes­­s Debt Relief Act of 2007, you may be able to exclude up to $2 million of debt forgiven on your principal residence. The law is extended only until the end of 2012"

http://www­.irs.gov/i­ndividuals­/article/0­,,id=179414,00­.html
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:40 PM on 01/09/2012
I love Puppies !!! :))
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:30 PM on 01/09/2012
Buy now!

Charlie Munger loves Real Estate and he's right.
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wonderYrednow
ÂżY read backwards?
11:04 PM on 01/09/2012
Lowest interest rates EVER and housing prices will never be this low in our lifetimes !
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
11:14 PM on 01/09/2012
Never ever. 65% higher later :))
11:22 PM on 01/09/2012
Prices are falling kiddo.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:03 PM on 01/09/2012
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Folks,

Don't let Collapsing House Price keep you enslaved to a rental contract on an apartment
that you will never own even after 30 years.

STICK IT TO THE LANDLORDS and BUY A HOME. Free yourself.
10:14 PM on 01/09/2012
Why buy a house when prices are cratering? Buy a house later for 65% less.
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wonderYrednow
ÂżY read backwards?
11:05 PM on 01/09/2012
If one has decent credit, 725 or higher, and 20% down, there will not be a better time to buy in this century.
09:57 PM on 01/09/2012
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Folks,

Don't let the reaItors and banksters keep you enslaved to inflated mortgage payments on a rapidly depreciating house for 30 years or more.

STICK IT TO THE BANKS and WALK AWAY. Free yourself.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:20 PM on 01/09/2012
Why rent when the price is rising? Rent a home soon or you'll pay 75% more later.
10:26 PM on 01/09/2012
It's simple. Prices are falling.
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wonderYrednow
ÂżY read backwards?
11:06 PM on 01/09/2012
cHp is such a chooser, it's fun to watch you spank it over and over !
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:21 PM on 01/09/2012
Buy!!! Buy!! Buy!! Buy!! Buy!! Buy!!
10:27 PM on 01/09/2012
Why bother buyer when prices are cratering by the day.
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strangervessell
Cold War Submarine Veteran During Reagan Years
02:02 PM on 12/13/2012
BailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBailBail - or better yet - go try and flip some foreclosures since the market's so wonderful in your eyes
09:46 PM on 01/09/2012
Nevada is the usary capital of the nation, City Bank is also located there, Nevada caters to banks
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
09:04 PM on 01/09/2012
In my Latin book there was a picture of the Rape of the Sabine Women. Now looking back it is a slip of the curriculum director to have let that book into our hands for each and every one of us wondered, lusted, caught our thoughts and wondered... What is this? it was the expansion of capitalism!