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Suze Orman Launches Pre-Paid Debit Card, Talks Life Lessons

Suze Orman

First Posted: 01/09/12 11:18 PM ET Updated: 01/11/12 01:21 PM ET

(NEW YORK) - If you thought personal finance expert Suze Orman just wanted you to change your money behavior, think again. The 60-year-old author, CNBC television host and now financial services entrepreneur stopped by AOL Studios here on January 9 for an interview with Arianna Huffington. Orman unveiled a new pre-paid debit card that she hopes will turn the credit-scoring system upside down.

"My job is to educate American and give them the tools they need so they finally have a highway out of poverty," she said.

This week Orman launched The Approved Card,
a purple-hued, pre-paid debit card aimed at middle-class folks who want to steer clear of credit cards. They allow someone to load money on the card and then use it for every day transactions. I have reported on these products since their launch more than a decade ago. Initially a solution for the unbanked, the industry began loading the cards with multiple hidden fees, preying on the mostly poor Americans who relied on them.

At $3 to obtain the card and $3 a month in fees, The Approved Card rivals the industry's cheapest product, the Walmart Moneycard. There is no checking account attached to the card, and users who direct deposit at least $20/month onto the card get free, unlimited withdrawals from AllPoint ATMs. If someone tries to overdraw it, the transaction is denied. Users also get a daily email telling them how much they have left to spend.

But the most unique feature of The Approved Card is the ability to help consumers build a credit score: TransUnion has agreed to collect aggregate spending data from the cards for a period of 18 to 24 months to test if the system is feasible, Orman said. The card also offers credit monitoring and free assistance with identity theft.

"Middle-class Americans...don't want a credit card in their wallet because don't want ability to get themselves into trouble again," she said. "The problem with that is if you spend money on debit or cash, it doesn't report to the credit bureaus so it doesn't give you a FICO score."

People without this key score pay the highest interest rates on consumer loans, such as mortgages and auto loans, because lenders have no way to gauge the lending risk. It can also affect their ability to rent an apartment and get a job, as many employers now check credit scores as part of the hiring process.

"I wanted to create (a scenario) where people who pay with debit and cash are rewarded," Orman said. She has invested $1 million of her personal fortune in building the product, and shrugs off ethical concerns raised by observers who suggest that in giving advice to viewers on CNBC, she could tout her for-profit product as a potential solution. "You will have to educate yourselves on prepaid cards now -- I'm not going to be talking about (them)," she said.

Along with her new card, Orman unveiled the life lessons that permeate her mission. She talked about growing up in a low-income family on the south side of Chicago, in a neighborhood that changed quickly amid white flight. "Every single white person moved out except us; I grew up as a minority and it taught me how to be very, very tough and that I had to work for what I needed to get," she said.

Orman had a speech impediment and trouble in school, where her teacher arranged the seats by reading scores. "They told me I was dumb, so why even try?" she recalled thinking. Throughout grammar school and high school, Orman worked in her father's deli, and took six years to finish at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where "I never got a grade above a C," she said.

She moved to Berkeley and landed a job as a waitress at the Buttercup Bakery making $400 a month. Seven years later, she called her parents asking to borrow $20,000 to open her own diner. They had nothing to offer, and word got out among her loyal customers that she needed backers. They collected $50,000 and offered Orman a 10-year, no-interest loan. She put the funds in a money market account at Merrill Lynch, where they disappeared.

"I had a crooked broker," she said, and figuring she could do better, applied for a job. "I had on white cowboy boots with white Sassoon pants and a blue silk shirt. They didn't know what to do with me, and before I knew it I was in the manager's office." The manager said he would hire her to fill his affirmative action quota, she recalled, but vowed to fire her in six months.

As Orman learned the business, she realized what her broker had done with the $50,000 was illegal, and with the encouragement of a friend in the office, sued. By the time the case came to court Orman was the sixth top-producing broker; she won and was able to repay her restaurant backers, with 18% interest.

"That's why I'm the consumer advocate you see today -- because one person helped me fight for myself and I'll never forget that as long as I live," she said.

Orman also revealed her biggest financial mistakes, including a $250,000 foray into credit card debt. She once withdrew money from her 401(k) plan to buy a Cartier watch to impress a wealthy date.

"This is how insecure I was," she said. "I thought other people defined me. I didn't understand who Suze was -- a kid from the south side whose friends abandoned her and went to the north side, and whose parents never had any money. I had no reason to feel I could be more or have more, so when I met people who had things, I thought they would never like me unless I pretended to be like them."

In 1998, when Orman's book "Nine Steps To Financial Freedom" hit number one on The New York Times best seller list, she gave away the Cartier watch and replaced it with a $200 Michael Kors watch she liked.

"You get to the point where money is no longer the goal," says Orman. "It's to transform the world and make it a better place for everybody."

WATCH: Suze Orman discusses why she created The Approved Card.

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07:41 PM on 01/31/2012
She says that if you pay in cash you will not have a FICO score. My first FICO score was 701 and I did not have a credit card until about 10 years later. I purchased a new Ford Mustang (in my name only) with 2K down. After about 18 months or so I applied for credit at a furniture store which approved $1,500 which I paid off in about 15 months. I than applied for credit at my credit union for $300 with my car as collateral and paid it back in about 6 months. I checked my credit score about 4 years from the time I purchased my car and my FICO was 701 with Equifax and Trans Union. And I have taught my children who are now 33 and 34 years of age to do the same, not to mention a handful of others.
07:18 PM on 01/31/2012
I have been educating myself about credit scores, credit cards etc, for the last 30 plus years. I've watched this clips 3 times and have come to the conclusion that she is way off base. First of all, a debit card only takes the place of cash. If there is money on the debit card that is an asset. A credit card is a debt - If your limit is $1,000 and your balance is $500 then you have at a minimum $500 in debt. How you handle this debt is what's reported to the credit bureau. You can not compare the two. Also, the credit bureau is not concerned with the source of a payment. It receives it's information from the lender that you have or have not paid in a timely manner. I'm sure Trans Union will kick this idea back. Now, this pre-paid card may be good for those who can not qualify for a checking account. It will allow them to pay bills and make purchases over the phone or online. There is nothing worse than having to go to the bank make a withdrawal or cash a pay check, then go to 3 - 4 different locations around town stand in long lines just to pay your basic house hold bills. Unfortunately many people do, month after month.
02:32 PM on 01/26/2012
I have read many official articles written by people who are afraid to question Suze Orman's offering. I work in the card industry and I think her polished spin is pure rubbish. There is no promise to actually do anything but take consumer's money in fees with the flinty promise that "perhaps" the bureaus will decide to include pre-paid cards as a factor for credit. Pre paid cards are EXCELLENT for money laundering (happens constantly) and anyone can fund a prepaid card for you. It doesn't make you credit worthy-it just means you have benevolent friends with enough cash to front your efforts to create a false credit score.

Best idea for the "unbankable" is to clean up your credit messes by settling each debt even if it means negotiating a payoff amount. Stay away from credit-look where it got you in the first place. SAVE the cash that you would normally spend on foolish enterprises like pre-paid cards and look into credit unions who are willing to open a small CD or starter savings account for you that later could develop into a business relationship that involves a REAL debit card tied to your demand deposit account for no fees.

Suze is going to get richer but I doubt your experience with her pre paid card will do the same for you.
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jojo1216
uh la la
11:48 PM on 01/18/2012
It is important to have and use a credit card..."an­d paid it off every month"...w­hy? If you want to rent or buy a house or apartment, buy a car, apply for a loan, apply for a land line phone, including applying for a job ( they check your credit report)...­You need a good credit score. Only the use of a credit card Not a debit card will build credit. Just have in mind if you use your credit card, be sure that will be paid off every month...th­at way you built credit and keep yourself out of debt. Suze's plan is not going to work, she is charging $3 monthly fee for this new debit card, plus her plan to get the 3 credit companies to accept debit card as part of a credit report not gonna happen. It is a reason for what the credit cards exist and they will fight Suze's plan. For TransUnion, Experian and Equifax what matters for a credit report is your ability to pay credit cards (money that you borrowed and at the end of the month you need to pay); not a debit card with $10 balance that you OWN.
02:50 PM on 01/18/2012
I'm traditionally a fan of hers and love her older books, especially "The Courage to be Rich," which is one of the most penetrating, insightful finance books you will ever read. And her past advice has been spot on--it's been about your mind and thoughts as much as your money, and she really understands (understood?) how closely the two are related.

But this is a terrible, terrible idea and a huge stain on her professional image. It's being marketed as a way to build your FICO score, but there's no guarantee it will do that, only a vague promise from TransUnion. And although the fees are low, they're still fees and for those who should be saving and building their reserves, it's more money out the window. Her comments this being an improvement over traditional credit or debit cards are silly What happened to paying cash, which not even two years ago she was advocating on her show as the answer to America's financial problems and the tool for learning about financial responsibility?

I've noticed a weird sense of desperation in Orman's image in the last year. There's a major new product every six months or so and then it suddenly disappears and is never heard from again. Everything started going downhill with the 2009 Action Guide; ever since she's seemed more interested in becoming a one-woman financial institution than a guide to the uninformed about money. I suspect this is not going to end prettily...
08:14 PM on 01/11/2012
"TransUnion has agreed to collect aggregate spending data from the cards for a period of 18 to 24 months to test if the system is feasible, Orman said. " read between the lines 18-24 months to TEST if the system is FEASABLE.. meaning for 24 months Suzie make a pant load of money off of your hard earned cash- as well as her bank cronies.. she's totally sold us and herself out
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june53
Common Sense with Civility, Please!
02:55 PM on 01/11/2012
Dearest Suze: You are in deep trouble with me. I understand the concept BUT why didn't you
stick to your own advice to go credit unions (@ no charge) and pay with cash?

I feel you are becoming too "ormanized" and not truly the Suze I have learned from and trust.
Your card costs money. My debit card is part of my Performance Checking Account @
Bancorpsouth (this account pays me 2% interest on my balance up to $30K per month) with
12 debit card charges; one direct deposit to the account & receiving my bank statements
online. I also get online banking @ -0- cost. I know that they make money on this deal, too -
but, they don't advise one thing and do another. Why didn't you do this with a credit union
association to back up your recommendations to switch there? I think you are getting too
close to the people you reliably tell us to avoid. I wish you luck but advise people to stick
to what they know and have learned from you in the past - not be tempted to go rogue on
a 'gimmick card' that historically never works in the macro "real" world.
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Shall0wJ
07:29 PM on 01/11/2012
I think the biggest point of this card is to provide a loophole for responsible people--as in, people cant get approved for a credit card (without a cosigner) to start building credit--and I dont know of any credit union offered 'debit' card that does that. Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm really considering this card and I wanna know of any unforseen cons to it..
08:16 PM on 01/11/2012
read the fine print- and then DONT get this card.. you want to add to your credit report or build credit? get a CapitalOne pre- paid CREDIT card.. that one WILL help yur credit score and the fees are shown to you ahead of time.. all minimal and from what i'v seen, the lowest in the market
03:39 PM on 01/10/2012
This idea is so denied heh. I have a debit card from a credit union. It's free attached to my free checking account. If I use it as a credit card (choosing the option for credit when swiping the card) I get a micro reward each quarter depending on how much I spend on it. The only place I can't do that is at Costco. Seems like a better deal.
10:13 AM on 01/10/2012
ok so let me get tis straight.. i CANT afford that Starbucks Coffee.. but i CAN afford all the hidden fees on "your" atm/debit/ BS card?
hmm interesting.. i suggest you pull out of the endorsement deal b4 your name takes such a large hit- that no one ever buys into your schpiel. your show or your books
12:47 AM on 01/10/2012
um yeah GREAT card- NOT
"he Monthly Account Maintenance Fee of your Approved Card is $3.00. The first month’s fee is waived when you purchase your Approved Card for $3.00. The Monthly Account Maintenance Fee is charged to your Card Account each month on the anniversary of the date your first load of the Card.
When you sign up for Direct Deposit and make a qualifying deposit or Bank Transfer, you will not be charged for use of domestic Allpoint® ATMs for the next 30 days. For an up-to-date listing of Allpoint ATMs, visit our website at www.TheApprovedCard.com.
If you do not sign up for Direct Deposit and make a qualifying deposit or Bank Transfer you will be charged $2.00 per withdrawal at Allpoint ATMs.
If you do not sign up for Direct Deposit and make a qualifying deposit or Bank Transfer you will be charged $1.00 for a balance inquiry or transaction declined at Allpoint ATMs.
If you use an ATM that is not part of the Allpoint network, you will be charged $2.00 per withdrawal and $1.00 per balance inquiry or transaction declined plus any fees charged by the owner of the ATM.
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Jimmy Wang
Speak the truth. Or else it will always catch up
06:08 AM on 01/10/2012
Thank for point this out. This is another evil plot to make money from the people who do not have it. For an informed customer, this is a terrible deal like I suspected. I stick with my traditional credit union for good use of my money without any fees.
10:09 AM on 01/10/2012
yeah it sounded too good to be true- so i read the terms which i havnt done in the past.. there's more there but this is how far i read b4 i decided she could keep her card lol
12:09 AM on 01/10/2012
Hufpo is ever reaching new lows.
10:11 AM on 01/10/2012
honestly.. this is a big black eye for everyone involved... unfortly a TON of people will fall for this and get charged up that wazoo.. suzie kept a clean nose for years- but i think she's really betrayed her followers.. its too bad