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Marines Urinating On Taliban: All 4 Marines Identified

Marines Peeing Identified

ROBERT BURNS   01/13/12 04:00 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — The Marine Corps on Friday laid the groundwork for deciding what, if any, disciplinary action will be taken in the case of an Internet video purporting to show Marine snipers urinating on dead bodies in Afghanistan.

The top Marine officer, Gen. James Amos, appointed three-star Gen. Thomas Waldhauser to oversee the case. Waldhauser named another officer to do an internal Marine Corps investigation, which is in addition to a criminal probe under way by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

Waldhauser will decide what to do as a result of the investigations.

In Afghanistan, a senior US commander issued a letter to all personnel in the international coalition that is fighting the war, explicitly reminding them of the need to respect the dead. The letter from Army Lt. Gen. Curtis M. Scaparrotti, commander of the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command, reflected the depth of concern about fallout from the video.

"Defiling, desecrating, mocking, photographing or filming for personal use insurgent dead constitutes a grave breach of the LOAC (laws of armed conflict), violate basic standards of human decency and can cause serious damage to relations with the Afghan government," Scaparrotti wrote. He ordered all commanders to remind their subordinates of their duty to comply.

No one has been charged in the case, which triggered widespread outrage with the appearance Wednesday on YouTube of a brief video that appears to show four Marines in full combat gear urinating on the bodies of three dead men lying on the ground.

Marine Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, condemned the behavior and said in a statement Friday while he was traveling in the U.S. that the facts in the case should be determined swiftly.

"These actions are in direct opposition to everything the military stands for," Allen said after viewing the video. "Such acts in no way reflect the high moral standards and values we expect of our armed forces on a daily basis."

Pentagon officials worry that the actions depicted in the video will tarnish the reputation of the entire military. Some officials have expressed fear that it could undermine prospects for exploratory Afghan peace talks.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and military leaders have promised an exhaustive investigation and sought to contain the damage at home and abroad.

Marine Corps headquarters at the Pentagon issued a statement Friday announcing Amos's appointment of Waldhauser, commander of Marine Forces Central Command, which is responsible for Afghanistan.

It said Waldhauser will "exercise his independent judgment" and decide how to handle "any allegations of wrongdoing."

Waldhauser appointed a three-star general, Steven Hummer, to lead the internal Marine Corps investigation. The probe will look into the question of what prompted the four Marines' behavior, said one officer, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss an internal matter. That will include examining whether the Corps' current training and education on the laws of warfare are adequate, the officer said.

A second officer, also speaking privately to discuss an internal matter, said investigators will consider whether more senior Marines, such as the commander of the four Marines' battalion, failed to ensure a climate of proper discipline. The four who appeared in the video are enlisted Marines. Their exact ranks have not been made public.

The NCIS, the law enforcement arm of the Navy, is heading the main inquiry, which is expected to consider evidence of violations of the U.S. military legal code as well as the international laws of warfare.

By Friday, the NCIS had identified and interviewed all four of the Marines appearing in the video. At the time, they were filmed urinating on the bodies, the four were members of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, which fought in the southern Afghan province of Helmand for seven months before returning to their home base at Camp Lejeune, N.C., last September.

Two of the four, plus the commander of the battalion, had moved on to other assignments before the video appeared on the Internet, according to Marine Corps officials who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss an active investigation. The Marines' names have not been made public.

In its first public statement about the probe, the NCIS said Friday the probe is in its "very early stages." NCIS communications director Maryann B. Cummings said all four Marines are in the U.S., but she provided no other details about them. She said investigators are looking for information about those who created the video and posted it on the Internet.

The video itself is being studied for clues with the use of NCIS "computer forensic techniques," she said without elaborating.

The emergence of the Internet video didn't seem to immediately set back movement toward exploratory negotiations with the Taliban. Asked about possible implications for peace talks, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that the U.S. remained strongly committed to supporting Afghan efforts.

Panetta, however, said the incident could endanger the talks.

"The danger is that this kind of video can be misused in many ways to undermine what we are trying to do in Afghanistan and the possibility of reconciliation," Panetta said at Fort Bliss, Texas.

He said it was important for the U.S. to move quickly to "send a clear signal to the world that the U.S. will not tolerate this kind of behavior and that is not what the U.S. is all about."

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Associated Press writers Pauline Jelinek in Washington, Deb Riechmann in Kabul, Afghanistan, and Juan Carlos Llorca in El Paso, Texas, contributed to this report.

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Robert Burns can be reached on Twitter at http://twitter.com/robertburnsAP

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08:38 PM on 01/23/2012
You can shred their internal organs with hot lead, blow their bodies to scraps with high explosives, disembowel them with a bayonet, or heck, bash their skulls in with your rifle if you have to, but whatever you do boys, don't ever pee on them...that would be uncivilized.
12:50 PM on 02/13/2012
When you gotta go you gotta go...if you hold it in, that could cause internal problems. :D pee away boys
04:48 PM on 01/22/2012
Has anyone actually watched the video? I've seen it,and unless the video was edited there is no urine on the ground nor on the bodies. If you take 4 guys,and they urinate there should be puddles and big wet spots on the ground.
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03:27 PM on 01/19/2012
What the Marines did was unseemly, but their actions must be held in the light that extreme conditions beget extreme behaviors. Before we haul them down, let us remember the merciful adage from A Course in Miracles, how we judge another is how we deep down judge ourselves. These fine young men, while requiring consequences and correction, deserve our understanding and forgiveness.
11:18 AM on 02/09/2012
This kind of thinking is an insult to the majority of Marines who uphold a code of behavior promoted by the Marine Corps since its inception. The idea is to do the right thing when no one is looking. That these guys didn't hold to that doesn't speak to how hard it is to do it but to how weak these four guys are.
09:09 PM on 01/17/2012
don't know what's more disgusting, the actual act or those ingoranus' who think their so-called countries and their military are somehow above the taliban. They're fighting YOUR leaders WAR on your leaders terms. to call them barbaric is to call yourselves barbaric so think on that while you're staring down your noses at the VICTIMS.FRY Them all, regardless of sides, cause EVERYONE involved is GUILTY of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Next you'll tell me it's heroic to butcher women and children, especially those not fighting. those who welcome their soldiers home as heroes sicken the TRUE HUMAN RACE!
10:09 PM on 01/25/2012
YOU find the guts to serve your country and then try and speak
08:51 PM on 01/17/2012
This is the inhuman, barbarous & against the International treaty. This is the cheap activity of the American navy. This kind do not suit to a warrior. The American government should take the strict action against this kind of activities. Because time keeps on changing.
10:16 PM on 01/18/2012
They were marines not the navy.
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06:43 AM on 01/19/2012
Marines are part of the Navy.
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Lacey Epperson
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10:17 AM on 01/17/2012
What these young men did was wrong for a couple of reasons. Putting others in danger is number 1. Number 2 is the fact that our military is so far above the barbaric Taliban that we should never stoop to do something they would do.

With that being said, this is still only a purported act and not even an actual incident. It was an unwise thing to do but that's all it was...unwise.

I'm so sick of our leaders fearing Muslims (here and there) that we are willing to treat our soldiers, who are fighting for this country that is caring less and less about them by the day, like criminals.

I know there are guidelines to follow during wartime but for something as minor as this is to be getting the attention it is shows us, and the world, how weak our leadership is. It's not like they sawed off the head of a live person and put it on video, right?

I bet we'll be seeing an apology from the Obama Administration any day bowing down to our enemy and begging for forgiveness for hurting their feelings.
05:16 PM on 01/17/2012
Actually, the only thing that is clear from this post is that you have no concept of the brutality and horror of war. Who is 'our enemy'? What are our soldiers doing there in the first place and what, please specify, makes them better than the afghan boys who get into the taliban to defend their country from foreign invaders? I'm suspecting you also secretly fear and hate Muslims by the tone of this.

The real problem obviously isn't urinating on the dead. The greater crime is killing them in the first place. And for what?
09:08 PM on 01/17/2012
I agree with alot of what you have said but be very careful about calling a soldier a criminal for killing while carring out the orders of his superiors. Which if I am not mistaken is Obama. Pissing on a dead body is a sad display of poor character and they should be treated harshly for such actions for they taint all soldiers. But, do not call our soldier criminals for doing there job.
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Lacey Epperson
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09:22 PM on 01/17/2012
About me secretly fearing and hating Muslims, I do not. Jesus loves them as much as He does you and I. I do hate Islam. If you can't comprehend that concept, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.

Whether you like it or not, we are at war, we have an enemy and I'm sorry to burst your deluded bubble, but our main enemy at this point in history are Muslims. The Taliban: Muslims, Al-Queda: Muslims. They want us DEAD. Anyone that wants me or my loved ones dead ARE the enemy.

I was very clear in my original post that I thought it very unwise what those soldiers did but at least they weren't parading those bodies around by dragging them in the streets, or having their heads sawed off while alive...unlike what the poor Afghan-turned-Taliban boys you seem so intent on feeling sorry for would do in heartbeat.

Assuming you live in America, this is one of the rare times when I feel I have a right to tell you to get out of my country and go live with the enemy if you don't like it here. If I could, I would take up a collection for you to help you on your way.

Shame on you. You and your sentiments are distasteful and a disgrace.

PS: I never agreed with us going to Iraq. Figure that one out.
06:44 PM on 01/16/2012
I can't imagine my drill instructors would have had a problem with this. However, it does endanger other troops in the field, due to the inevitable backlash. That's the real crime, the way they endangered everyone else.
02:56 PM on 01/16/2012
I have held my opinion to myself as this unfolded, and what I am about to say is certainly "politically incorrect"- but I'm not trying to be political, just honest. This is a WAR, and these are Marines trained to be snipers. These are young men, and could be one of your own sons. Boys pee on lots of things- in holes, on trees, in the snow, in corners...and these are trained to be "pissed off" at their enemy.
So what if they peed on dead Taliban? First off, they were DEAD, corpses, not alive. This is not Abu Gharaib- there is no torture here, they are not committing sexual acts or disrobing them. There is no one around to have their feelings hurt. I seriously doubt that their is ANY law against this- religious or international, civil or military--but I'm sure someone will find a way to twist this under some umbrella term.
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chaya
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11:58 AM on 01/17/2012
Please read the article. Please read what the Pentagon is trying to tell you.

The issue is not "boys will be boys" and "war is hell."

The issue is that both what they did and the video that some idiot published are probably going to do INCREDIBLE damage to foreign relations. Not only do they endanger talks with Afghanistan, and our foreign policy with many other countries, they may--WILL--eventually be responsible for the loss of many more American lives.
02:13 AM on 01/19/2012
You missed the point. First this was posted on You Tube Sept 27,2011. There were comments made in passing on this by the officials in October. This thing went viral in January 2012, and now the public reaction is (point 1) "Over the top". Using phrases like "Incredible damage to foreign relations" is preemptively negative and objectively in error per the State Departments comments made this week! "...endanger talks... responsible for the loss of ...lives.." more gibberish. Let's hope if there really are trumped up charges that they get judged internally by THEIR OWN PEERS- fellow snipers that have been there (and probably done that). This is certainly NOT something to lose well-trained marines that might need to go back again. Should they choose to go on with their careers, I wish them well.
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06:50 AM on 01/19/2012
How do you know that the dead people were Taliban?
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critterzdad2
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09:43 AM on 01/16/2012
Even if you ignore the moral wrongs of desecration of corpses the most practical view is that Anywhere you go if you unzip and haul it out in public then you gotta get in trouble. And if you videotape it then you OUGHT to be found guilty of a felony type offense and lose pay then get booted out on a bad conduct discharge. What idiot does this on videotape- plausible denial goes right out the window, you morons! I am sorry this happened and there is NO excuse for such behavior.
02:59 PM on 01/16/2012
Second, it is only urine- sterile water. If the world goes up in arms about this why isn't there resounding condemnation for the GTMO terroists that daily make "cocktails" of urine, feces and other body fluids and throw it into the faces and on the uniforms of our soldiers who are feeding, housing and giving them the best medical care possible? They are throwing horrible, s__t on our soldiers and our guys aren't allowed to retaliate for fear that CNN or some reporter would say our guys were misbehaving. Seems like the kettle calling the pot black to me. Truly, not being ABLE to retaliate is more stressful and disturbing than being able to sniper-fire them down and pee on them... but that's another point, let's get back to the content- it's only urine, and it's on dead bodies.
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03:59 PM on 01/16/2012
Since its only water then you wouldn't mind if I urinated on you in your coffin at your service and had it recorded for your relatives to see any time they cared to look? Surely that wouldn't be a problem if you are already dead.
Its disrespect and desecration no matter how you look at it. Being at war doesn't make it any better and doing it to a body that may never have shot at you doesn't make it less than what it is- disrespect. The other things you mention are also disrespect but not as strongly objectionable as violating the dignity of a corpse that can't fight back and can't take you to court. I understand emotions are strong in and after the heat of a battle. Its still as wrong as peeing in the punch bowl of your former girlfriends wedding reception cause she didn't marry you.
Bless you and I hope you at least think about this. We can agree to disagree. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
09:07 AM on 01/16/2012
Though I don't agree with the act of pi--ing on a dead enemy ,I approve even less of having a bunch of choir boys over there , We're in a WAR people and we need the best fighting for us , which means haveing the Marines in there along with the rest of our Armed services,,Unless you have been in combat and seen the horrors of it don't judge them too harshly who knows what kind of stuff they have seen over there committed by the other side . Just with the watered down news that we get from that area ,they probably deserve getting pi--ed on ,beheadings stoneings the way they treat their people ,IED's , If the American people can't handle what goes on in a war againest these people then get our troops OUT of there where they won't be put in that position, Other wise don't judge what happens in combat!!
03:01 PM on 01/16/2012
Third point: is the act itself, young men relieving themselves after an exchange of fire... Guess I'd be ready to let my bladder go too. This is not the most horrible act of war, in fact it's pretty petty. .The terms "heinous" used by Michael Shaw, and a host of others is WAY Overreacting...(by the way the video was being commented on back in September/October time frame)-- it is NOT deserving of such strong adjectives. The act again is small stuff, common, harmless, is not causing anyone psychological damage, and, as far as war goes, there have been many crimes a whole lot worse than simply peeing on a dead body.
Fourth point- the act of videotaping it- by most standards was immature and foolish...but today this age group can video-record anything with your I-Phone, so simply video-recording it may not be so far out there as those over 30 might judge. Before I go on, please understand that I am not Encouraging or Condoning urinating on corpses or videotaping acts done in war, I am not trying to defend what they did, but I am seriously against any armchair couch potato Condemning or Over-Judging these marines.
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mrreindeer
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06:53 AM on 01/19/2012
How do you know there was an exchange of fire? I've read a bunch of articles and have yet to see one state that as a verified fact.
07:30 PM on 01/15/2012
As a retired military officer and combat veteran, I am deeply disappointed in this event. Yes these warriors have likely endured very challenging conditions and seen horrors the vast majority of us thankfully never will. However, they are multiple volunteers. They volunteered to serve their country, to earn the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor as United States Marines, and if indeed they are snipers they volunteered for sniper school. Thus they set themselves apart from the rest of American society and even their fellow Marines and as such, MUST be held to the higher ethical standards that their choice to serve requires. Having the courage to close with and kill the enemy without vengeance in combat is crucial, but even more crucial is living within the honor and decency fighting men have displayed through the ages and for which the Marine Corps is famous. The conditions of their voluntary service are not an excuse to desecrate enemy dead like they did, no matter how challenging. Else all is lost and 'we' are indeed no better than 'them.'
03:04 PM on 01/16/2012
That brings me to my fifth point. How often do you hear people in airports, on the streets and in the media saying " I want to Thank you for what you do." or " We support our Servicemen."?? My first reaction to such superficial statements is internally thinking " What do you think the military person you are thanking DOES?" You really have no clue what your servicemen and women DO, whether they are a clerk, a sniper, a corpsman, a radioman, fix tanks, trucks or dig ditches... So, you 'Thank ' them for SERVING their country, for being the 1% that wear the uniform. At one time, our servicemen came home from a war and were called "baby-killers" and treated very poorly. Ask any Veteran community. Today there is this superficial "support" for our servicemen and veterans without much more than lip-service from a people who believe our boys who play football, baseball or basketball, and risk their knees, shoulders and ankles to injury should be paid more than our defenders , soldiers, who fight wars and risk amputations, castration, disease, torture and death.
08:35 PM on 01/16/2012
KGBWO, while I agree that there is much pandering to those of us who serve our country by the media and politicians, I've found that the average citizen is truly thankful so I take issue with your characterization that the support is superficial. I was fortunate enough to serve for three years as an exchange officer in the military of a close ally and can tell you that those men and women were jealous of the support we receive from the average American. Sounds to me like you may have come home from your service at a different time and for that I'm empathize with you. It is only through the professional and ethical conduct of the military services since then that we enjoy the support we do today. Which is squarely my point. We should be held to a higher standard because what we do in combat is in the name of our nation....and our nation does not stand for the type of behavior displayed here.
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05:27 AM on 01/17/2012
Seems like semantics. When people thank servicemen for what they do, the implication is clearly for their service.

We cannot simultaneously complain about veterans in the past not being appreciated and then complain about to what degree of superficiality the appreciation of the public supports them now. I think the average Vietnam veteran would appreciate today's "lip-service" to the welcome home they got.
06:44 PM on 01/15/2012
Human beings are urinated on every day. Often voluntarily.

When I was in kindergarden, one of the other kids accidentally urinated on my pantleg. I'm still here. I was not caused any grievous psychological or physiological damage.

Personally, I wouldn't pee on the taliban if they were on fire.
12:26 AM on 01/17/2012
keyword: accidentally

and i don't think those dead bodies had golden shower fetishes.
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03:11 PM on 01/15/2012
All I have to say is thank God they were not laying on ground instead of the enemy.
Great job Marines! Yoo Rah! Semper FI
03:07 PM on 01/16/2012
I agree, and am replying only to get my full dissertation in . ... The over-paid American who wants to get rid of our public education system, our unemployment benefits, universal affordable healthcare, our national parks, our department of transportation infrastructure, our labor laws, immigration and all that makes this country strong and beautiful- the things these servicemen have grown up with, and will lay down their lives to DEFEND- it seems most hypocritical to say they support our military - when they are trying to destroy our faith in our Commander -in-Chief and the country they are defending! Okay, I just crossed the line of politics, but believe me, it's part of the soup. What I am saying is that these people have no business judging our servicemen. Don't say "Thank you for what you do" if you don't know what you are talking about, nor mean it. Don't say you support our troops if you are judging them from your armchairs. It's a different world out there than where you sit; the rules are different; the stakes are higher; the work is harder.
05:22 PM on 01/17/2012
Wow, huffpost has been completely turned over to a bunch of raving jingoists. Sad story.
09:39 AM on 01/15/2012
Where is the endless media condemnation of Obama over this incident as they did with Bush over Abu Ghraib prison? Oh, wait, this incident must be Bush's fault, too.
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05:30 AM on 01/17/2012
Yep. Where's the claims "it came right from the top" and all the other ridiculous accusations?
08:05 AM on 01/15/2012
I am a former Marine sergeant. When the need arises and our young men and women are called to defend our nation, defend our honor or annihilate a threat, we send in our most capable force, the United States Marines. We call on these brave souls to send a signal to the rest of the world that our country will not only fight for what’s right, but will carry out our duty without hesitation or fear for one’s own self-preservation. And if you should crash planes into our buildings, blow up our embassies, bomb our ships, or behead our journalists, know this.

Is it wrong to urinate on the corpse of an enemy? Some might answer “yes,” but we are capable of far worse, and such an act could be considered great restraint considering what some could be feeling. It is difficult to understand for those persons who have never buried their young son, brother, husband, father, comrade or friend who volunteered to live in the cross-hairs of his enemy. An enemy who would see far worse and more repulsive acts, not in the name of liberty or democracy, but in the name of a god or an envy of what the citizens of our great country know to be right.

Politicians, journalists and others may scrutinize them for what they consider appalling, but given a choice of who they would want in a foxhole, the answer would most likely be a United States Marine.
03:45 PM on 01/15/2012
I agree that it's important to see this situation from the emotional point of view of a fighting man or woman - I'm glad you could give us this perspective without resorting to partisanism or insults, since so many can't or won't.

But, from a civilian's perspective, it's important to us to hold the people who protect us - be they soldiers or police - to a higher code of standard since they are given more power than us. Anger and rage at your attackers is understandable, but can't condone actions because of it: we live in a country of laws based on reason and morals and the people that protect this country have to act on reason and morals. These marines may not be "bad people", but they made a mistake and they should be held accountable for it. You're right: I want a marine in the foxhole - a disciplined, honorable moral warrior. When you excuse actions like this and allow our enemy to be dehumanized and demonized, you condone dishonorable actions.
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07:22 PM on 01/15/2012
Its just like being in school, you have people you want your kids to associate with and those you don't. People that are good examples and those that are bad examples. I am sure its hard to escape a group that has to many as bad examples but being a bad example is never a good trait regardless how you got there. It only takes one person to stand up for what is right, a good leader to lead those that try to set a bad example. One of those Marines was a bad example and the other mindless sheep. Anyone can be a leader and not take crap, its just adult bullying and insecurity of some which leads them to be sheep and make bad life choices. I would gather its hard if not impossible to get out of your group that quite possibly had to many bad leaders per say which may lead people that generally make good life choices to follow because of what they might do to them if they dont. I can understand the danger in that. Its still not acceptable in general.