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Mitt Romney Downplays $374,000 In Speaking Fees As 'Not Very Much'

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/17/2012 10:48 am Updated: 01/17/2012 12:29 pm

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney has a new definition of "not much": $374,327.

On Tuesday, the Republican presidential candidate finally admitted that the effective tax rate he has been paying for the last several years is likely below that of middle-class workers, which would also include military servicemembers.

In Greenville, S.C., Romney was asked directly what his effective tax rate is. It was a hot topic of discussion at Monday night's debate, at which Romney repeatedly declined to fully commit to release his tax returns.

"It's probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything," said Romney on Tuesday. "For the past 10 years, my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past, rather than ordinary income or earned annual income. I got a little bit of income from my book, but I gave that all away. Then, I get speakers fees from time to time, but not very much."

Not very much? According to his personal financial disclosure, from February 2010 to February 2011, Romney earned $374,327.62 in speaking fees. A few months later, Romney joked that he was "unemployed."

His rival, Newt Gingrich, said that he made $60,000 per speech -- defending himself against the charge that he served as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac, for which he was paid over $1.6 million for strategic advice.

Romney has an estimated wealth of between $190 million to $250 million, according to financial disclosure reports. Upon leaving Bain Capital in 1999, he negotiated a retirement package guaranteeing him a percentage of the firm's profits.

A single worker who earns more than $35,350 in income pays a 25 percent tax rate on earnings above that amount. Many families that earn less than $100,000 per year pay an effective rate of just above that, according to the Congressional Research Service.

The Huffington Post's Jon Ward asked Romney about his tax rate in Iowa last December. "You take advantage of the opportunity to be in America, to build a bright future, and you pay your taxes as required by law," he said. "And if something is a capital gain, it should be treated as a capital gain. If something is ordinary income, it should be treated as ordinary income. And the determination of those things has been made by Congress and by the courts and by the Internal Revenue Service. I've always followed the law as to the taxes that we've paid, my wife and I have paid." Romney added that he favors eliminating taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends for middle-income Americans, but not for high-income Americans.

Romney's wealthy welfare comes from a loophole in the tax code that taxes long-term capital gains at a 15 percent rate. Private equity executives are then "paid" with capital gains instead of regular income. The executives, such as Romney, then tell the Internal Revenue Service that they were not being reimbursed a salary for work they performed but instead were merely investors reaping the rewards of risk taking. Happily for the executives, any investments that go belly up and lead to bankruptcy and mass layoffs can be counted against the earnings, which amounts to a tax subsidy for failed projects.

This story has been updated to reflect Romney's speaking fees according to his financial disclosure.

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At a campaign stop this spring in Derry, New Hampshire, Mitt Romney pulled a gag that raised eyebrows. While posing for a photo with his arms around the waitresses at Mary Ann's Diner, Romney suddenly jumped forward, acting as if someone had pinched his hind quarters."Oh, my goodness gracious!" he exclaimed.

The GOP presidential candidate later said he was "just teasing" and the gag is "kind of fun to do."


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WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney has a new definition of "not much": $374,327. On Tuesday, the Republican presidential candidate finally admitted that the effective tax rate he has been paying for the la...
WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney has a new definition of "not much": $374,327. On Tuesday, the Republican presidential candidate finally admitted that the effective tax rate he has been paying for the la...
 
 
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Obviator
10:32 AM on 01/24/2012
No wonder this didn't seem like much to the Mittster. Tax returns reveal a $20million loophole. That other stuff? Bah, a mere pittance for the likes of Thirsten Howell III and Mitt Romney!
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legnotsothrilled
10:25 AM on 08/07/2012
His accountants comply with the law/tax code. Mr. Obama's acct does the same. How much do you think old Bill Clinton drags in every year? Think he and Hill might fill out their tax returns according to how they are written?
10:43 AM on 01/23/2012
How dare this man downplay 300,00 plus for speeches like it's nothing.I have been a Bricklayer for 25 years.I may nat have went to college to learn this trade but, that shouldn't mean that I deserve less for what I do.In fact I should get as much for those buildings that I've help build over the years that he occupies.The sad truth though is wages have been steadily declining instead of rising.In the year 2000-$25.00 per hr,in 2012-$20.00 per hr.Hell,I would except $50,000 A YEAR.At least then I could afford to pay my bills.... If Romney were in my shoes he would be upset like myself and so many other hard working people.
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legnotsothrilled
10:21 AM on 08/07/2012
You think you should "get" as much as what Romney made for his appearances? It's called the free market. He is a valuable speaker and gets paid for it. You are a bricklayer and you get paid for it. You chose your path in life.

The $$$ Romney made from speaking is not that much compared to what he makes from his investments. He is just stating the obvious.

How much do you think Clinton makes speaking? It's quite a bit more than $300,000. And what do you think Obama will (probably unless in prison) make after he leaves office? OH, THAT'S DIFFERENT!

Romney is a decent man who gives a lot to charity. He's rich. He made that money himself. Read his life story if you don't know it and try to overcome the jealousy. He didn't take a salary at the Olympics nor for being Gov. of MA. Yeah, he's evil.

Obama is really whipping this class warfare up and it is astonishing. At least he finally revealed his Marxist leanings with the "You didn't build that" rant. Woke a few people up, I'd say.
11:30 PM on 08/30/2012
Bill Clinton Made more then 8 million last year in speaking fees. You can't be serious.
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04:38 PM on 01/20/2012
I'm interested to know what people think of the recent trip in December to Hawaii by Obama and his family. Rather than wait to go with her husband, Michelle Obama decided to leave early with her kids. The separate trip is estimated to have cost around $100,000 more than if she had waited to go with the President, paid for by the taxpayer.

Don't her actions support the same conclusion everyone is making about Romney: that she believes $100,000 is not very much. Well, at least if she isn't paying for it.
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golions
Real Americans drink coffee, not tea.
04:19 PM on 01/20/2012
If $374,327 is "not much," then Romney is welcome to transfer that sum to my bank account. He won't miss it, right?
09:15 AM on 01/20/2012
The assertion that Romney's 15% effective rate is lower than most Americans is blatantly false. Just look at the IRS data. The average American PAID (not marginal rate, as cited here) a 12.7% effective rate in 2009, the most recent year of data. I am by no means rich and my effective rate is equal or less than Romney's due to mortgage deductions and charitable contributions. The sources cited in this article, moreover, are clearly comparing apples/oranges to generate faux outrage. Very dishonest reporting.
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cjus2473
Few men have virtue to resist the highest bidder
11:29 AM on 01/20/2012
No one would have condemned this man the right to earn as much as he wants, until he opened the floor gates by declaring he is "just like you - unemployed." As far as I can remember, millionaires have run for President, and none that I can recall has ever not had empathy with the average worker, how much they make, how much they earned and how the candidate has mostly inherited his/her wealth. Mitt appears to feel that $375,000 is just an average day's pay to most folks, and that being unemployed bringing in millions per year is just like everyone else. It is his lack of understanding that most people find it repugnant for someone to make their money by looting a corporation that is profitable, pay the workers less money, give less benefits, destroy the pension program until the company appears lean and prosperous, sells it and watches the new company understand they can't make it on what Bain did so the company goes broke and Mitt rides off with millions. So no, the article not comparing apples to oranges. It is showing a man very out of touch with the times today and the average workers and how they are struggling. And they are showing it to a man who is running for the POTUS - who will not just serve the top 1%.
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12:20 PM on 01/20/2012
"Menlopian" commented about how the article was misleading with regard to how much Americans pay in taxes relative to Romney. This type of reporting serves to incite additional unwarranted outrage. Your reply has nothing to do with "menlopian's" comment.
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legnotsothrilled
10:28 AM on 08/07/2012
You might want to really read how many companies Bain saved. You do know they were all heading for closure ALREADY?
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11:36 AM on 01/20/2012
I agree. It is surprising how many people are unaware how the federal income tax actually works, and how easily manipulated they are by people using the numbers to support their position.

Based on my experience, most people have trouble with the distinction between tax bracket and effective tax rate.
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cjus2473
Few men have virtue to resist the highest bidder
02:59 PM on 01/20/2012
most people do not live on capital gains, have off-shore accounts either...mitt is not earning a living through a paycheck - he earns all his by capital gains...so comparing his "investment earnings" to a person taking home a paycheck is not the same
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troutster
Fish fear me. Otherwise, I'm pretty harmless.
08:49 AM on 01/20/2012
This guy is so out of touch it's ridiculous.

We need a president that understands what it's like to be low income. Someone who used the social safety net - like food stamps - early on in life. Someone who was raised by a single parent, but still managed to go to good schools and get a good education. Someone who understands marriage, monogamy and family life. Obama's the only one that qualifies.
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05:48 PM on 01/20/2012
To be so qualified and understanding, Obama and his family sure have wasted a lot of taxpayer money to live a lavish lifestyle.
07:08 AM on 01/20/2012
You wanna talk rich Huffington, hold on to your liberalized socks! The richest man in politics wait for it. . . wait for it . . . John F. Kerry (WHo by the way served in Vietnam) His wife is worth 1.5 billion, what's his tax bracket? 12% How much did Billy the LCInton make for his speeches for his wife? Hmm let's do the math $10 Million a year so that brings him up to $80 Million. AT least according to him, would he lie about this? Are you sure you want to cal him a liar? And my persoal favorite on Barack Obama Messiah's Wife Michelle 'My Belle' Obama Her private jet that takes her anywhere, on the taxpayers dime. But Yep you're right 374,000 dollars is way too much for a Republican!
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cjus2473
Few men have virtue to resist the highest bidder
11:37 AM on 01/20/2012
john kerry married mrs. heinz who inherited her fortune from her late husband, senator heinz when he was killed in a plane crash...it was the republicans who jumped on this issue after warren buffett said that his secretary, who makes $60,000 per year, paid less taxes than he did...they republicans said that was crap...and now poor newt is getting the blow-black from those other republicans saying it was a lie, and proving that no, mr. buffett was telling the truth. Mrs. Obama is the wife of the president and cannot travel commercial. Did you raise your concerns when Mrs. Bush and her daughters traveled on vacation in the private jet? Again, former President Clinton is entitled, as all former Presidents, to go on a lecture tour and make money. I have never heard the Clinton's tell average citizens that the citizen pays less in taxes than they pay...it is only coming from the right.

Barack Obama Messiah's Wife Michelle 'My Belle' Obama - there the right goes again, raising its ugly racist head and voice
04:03 PM on 01/20/2012
Oh I see, a black President (and his family) in office are not supposed to have the same protection and private jets as all White Presidents before him? Right? I guess Barbara Bush flew coach, correct? Laura Bush flew Southwest, right? The reason you don't know about all the places they flew on your dime is because it didnt matter to you since they are white. I'm just guessing.

Secondly, you are missing the point. Kerry released his taxes....Mitt has not. Why not? What's he hiding? Thirdly, the point was that Mitt thinks 374,000 isn't very much money hitch shows how out of touch he is with most Americans.
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dzadzey
Afflicting the comfortable
05:22 AM on 01/20/2012
Nearly 7 times what I make each year, and I'm a critical care nurse, isn't "much" money. What does he do to justify the "not much" money he receives? I always knew Mitt was a creep. This only cements that view.
04:25 AM on 01/20/2012
WOW!....no wonder he's holding those tax returns close to the chest.....
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03:04 AM on 01/20/2012
These Super Rich live in a different world than most of us.

I doubt he, like McCain before, has much of a real idea what
it's like to survive in the middle class....or even lower
upper class !

Romney seems like a nice guy generally, nice family....
but he'd rather give a really rich guy even more tax
breaks than give you or me one that might
make our life a bit better. He'd rather
get into another ME War or build
a bridge in Afganistan than fix
our own !
01:05 AM on 01/20/2012
He's right. It wasn't much, compared to what others make speaking. Sarah Palin makes $100,000 PER SPEECH. President Clinton made $525,000 in ONE SPEECH in June 2008, earned $11 MILLION in speaking fees in 2010, and earned $75 MILLION in speaking fees from the time he left office until July 2011. $370,000 is chump change.
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cjus2473
Few men have virtue to resist the highest bidder
11:57 AM on 01/20/2012
In one interview as he left the White House, Bush said he planned to “ replenish the ol’ coffers” by hitting the lecture circuit. Bush’s net worth at the time ranged between $6.5 million and $20 million, according to financial disclosure forms.

In the two years since leaving office, Bush has earned an estimated $15 million at $100,000 to $150,000 per speech, the Center for Public Integrity reported Friday. Bush’s spokesman, David Sherzer, said the former president has delivered about 140 paid speeches.

the 43rd president made time for three separate speeches to hedge-fund executives, a Swiss bank sanctioned for keeping secret bank accounts, and a pro golf event underwritten by the accounting firm involved in the Tyco International financial scandal.

Bush’s father, George H.W. Bush, and his predecessor, Ronald Reagan, also gave paid speeches. Reagan took heat for accepting $2 million for two speeches in Japan.
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Ricardo01
The poodle chews it.
08:15 PM on 01/19/2012
Willard must speak very differently at his speeches than he does campaigning. I wouldn't pay a plug nickel to hear him talk the stop-start manner he uses at the debates.
06:20 PM on 01/19/2012
I think he was referring to the amount he paid in taxes on the money, not the money itself.
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Tater Salad
How can I be a quitter when haters dont stop?
05:58 PM on 01/19/2012
I guess Newt and Mitt are the humble politicians Perry was talking about Washington needs.
Verriderrti
Of Mice.....
05:33 PM on 01/19/2012
He's not lying though. It's not a lot...... to him.