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Black Hole Picture, Never Before Possible, To Be Planned At University Of Arizona Conference

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/18/12 12:02 PM ET Updated: 01/18/12 12:02 PM ET

At the center of our galaxy, an enormous black hole has worked invisibly for billions of years, and now scientists are gearing up to snap its picture.

A conference will be held to discuss the never-before-attempted photographic gambit on January 18 at the University of Arizona (UA). There scientists will map out an interstellar imaging project that astronomers of previous decades never could have imagined.

Why unimaginable? According to the statement,

Even though the black hole suspected to sit at the center of our galaxy is a supermassive one at 4 million times the mass of the sun, it is tiny to the eyes of astronomers. Smaller than Mercury’s orbit around the sun, yet almost 26,000 light years away, it appears about the same size as a grapefruit on the moon.

Getting the picture will be a herculean task. The team will connect 50 telescopes of all sizes, from Hawaii to the South Pole, and use them as components of a single, enormous virtual telescope. The Event Horizon Telescope, as the project is called, will bring scientists "as close to the edge of black hole as we will ever come," according to the telescope's website. "In essence," said Sheperd Doeleman, principal investigator of the project, "we are making a virtual telescope with a mirror that is as big as the Earth."

Dimitrios Psaltis, co-organizer of the conference and associate professor of astrophysics at UA's Steward Observatory, spoke of the project in ambitious terms. "We need the entire world to come together to build this instrument because it is as big as the planet," he said. "People are coming from all over the world because they have to work on it."

And for good reason: the black hole image will verify or disprove a part of Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. General relativity predicts that the swirl of dust and gases around a black hole—which is all the telescope will be able to see, since the hole itself is, of course, black—should form a perfect circle. If it looks even slightly distorted, we may have to rethink parts of Einstein's important theory.

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At the center of our galaxy, an enormous black hole has worked invisibly for billions of years, and now scientists are gearing up to snap its picture. A conference will be held to discuss the never...
At the center of our galaxy, an enormous black hole has worked invisibly for billions of years, and now scientists are gearing up to snap its picture. A conference will be held to discuss the never...
 
 
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Daniel R Cobb
A Democrat, a Patriot with a Brain
01:50 AM on 01/24/2013
The Square Kilometer Array has greater collecting power.
01:38 AM on 10/11/2012
You can also find some at various porn sites.
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nanjemoy
first, check your satire-o-meter.
09:35 PM on 01/20/2012
((Prepare for bad political humor - I just couldn't (should have) help it.))

Let me say, from first hand experience, the black hole at the center of our galaxy is hardly 4 millions times the mass of the sun. Maybe 370,000 at best. That's even less than Mitt Romney makes in speaking fees.

And it's not even very black, once you get used to it. It's all about adjusting to quantum foam and having your eyes torn to smithereens - which is something most of us can probably imagine, having watched the GOP primaries.

I can't say *exactly* how massive it is, since I was in an obviously extra-dimensional state of mind, (where's a proper Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster when you need one, right?) but having spent most of my summers there, I can say the black hole is dense - but anyone who has watched Congress these many years can relate to that.

I guess my basic point is this: these *Scientists* getting all geared up to snap some Polaroids of my third favorite vacation spot (after the Xigilbraxis Nebula, and Santa Cruz, CA) have it all wrong. A Black Hole is a great place to surf, no doubt, but all you have to do to see perfect super-massive spheres, which violate the normal laws of physics, and from which no illumination emits, simply look at South Carolina. I believe your front runner alone would cause most approaching craft to experience terminal tidal forces.

Go Science! Smash State!
10:10 AM on 01/24/2013
WHAT A WASTE OF TYPING,LMAO
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TYRANNASAURUS
UGH!....people taste like crap!
05:17 PM on 01/20/2012
Black Hole Picture, Never Before Possible, To Be Planned At University Of Arizona Conference ....

Great....good luck U.A....kick butt.
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Al Schrader
Don't limit your potential
10:34 AM on 01/20/2012
Ok at the request of a lot of people including physicist Greg Volk I just completed a scientific paper on Graviton Physics which will be featured at the NPA 19 conference.

The CERN Large Hadron Collider was built to study a particle I discovered, and it's not possible to create a black hole using the LHC not even with the ATLAS Detector.

Our galaxy has millions of planets, and it's teaming with life. Some of the things waiting for us out there, we probably can't even imagine....Alfred-
05:43 PM on 01/20/2012
Only in your mind, Al.
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1logicalthinker
with occasional humorous overtones :)
12:58 AM on 01/21/2012
LMAO! In a previous comment, Al has suggested that a comet be named after him, since he says he discovered it.

I think it would be much more fitting to start referring to black holes as "Schraders," because no substantiated facts ever emerge from any of his claims :)
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Daniel R Cobb
A Democrat, a Patriot with a Brain
01:51 AM on 01/24/2013
Indeed.
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Burton Tracy
09:51 AM on 01/20/2012
send a camera into the black hole so we can see the other side
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10:32 AM on 01/20/2012
any object which passes the event horizion can never be retrived, and would be torn to superheated gas plama before it was sucked in
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zappbrannigan420
I'm not taking attendance you dork!
10:55 AM on 01/20/2012
Only if it was a supermassive black hole - objects approacing a normal black hole would be torn apart by tidal forces long before they reached the event horizon.
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brettford
I don't have faith in faith
02:43 PM on 01/20/2012
also, we would need faster than light travel to get the camera there within our lifetimes. got any warp drives hanging around your place?
05:44 PM on 01/20/2012
Of course, if you had FTL, you could actually come back through the event horizon, too. Two flies with one FTL engine!
09:51 AM on 01/20/2012
I think Black Holes is the reason galaxy's spin much like a hurricane does. Like Planet's that orbit every Sun, the old Saying is True. Size really does Matter.
07:04 PM on 01/30/2012
interesting theory. Actually very probably since black holes are at the certain of most to all galaxies.
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ProgressivePicon86
A 50th state Progressive.
09:03 PM on 01/19/2012
I cannot wait till the public gets to see that image. Good luck to the project and to those who are trying to make this happen, humanity cannot wait. =]
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davyjones2112
Top o' the world ma !!
04:03 PM on 01/19/2012
maximillan was as scary as darth vader.
more scary then the slestacks,
02:55 PM on 01/19/2012
The Event Horizon Telescope is a proposed very long baseline interferometry radio telescope operating at 230-450GHz. What they basically do is to record the radio signal from the black hole region at different places on Earth with extremely high timing accuracy, then collect all the data and correlate it into a synthetic image. So it's not an optical telescope but an array of very high frequency radio telescopes operating at about 1mm wavelength.
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Daniel R Cobb
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01:53 AM on 01/24/2013
How does it compare to the Square Kilometer Array?
12:55 PM on 01/19/2012
It's really too bad that most people have a completely wrong picture of what black holes are... and that it is nearly impossible to explain without having the math of general relativity at hand. The real thing is so much more amazing than all the misconceptions...
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KeysE2S
I feel-a so break-up, I want to go home!
01:25 PM on 01/19/2012
How about this whopper:
"General relativity predicts that the swirl of dust and gases around a black hole—which is all the telescope will be able to see, since the hole itself is, of course, black—should form a perfect circle. "
I guess you can photograph a white singularity. Who knew!
02:06 PM on 01/19/2012
A black hole is not a singularity. To any but a freely falling observer, it's an object of well defined radius, sort of... because spacetime is severely distorted near the Schwarzschild radius... so you can't really map that naively to a flat space. We don't know what a freely falling observer will really see as that seems to require an understanding of quantum gravity that we don't have, yet.

What you can clearly see is the distortion in space. But then... you can clearly see that around any star and even around large planets... it's called micro-lensing and it is used to find stars and planets that don't have enough luminosity to be detected directly.
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SiriusMrE
"I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't believe it."
12:47 PM on 01/19/2012
I believe that those not constrained by the exotic requirements of big bang cosmology already know what's there: "Infrared and x-ray telescopes have confirmed the existence of a plasma-focus plasmoid at the core of the Milky Way. This high-energy electrical formation is the heart of the galactic circuit."
Milky Way Plasma-focus Plasmoid: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060405plasmoid.htm

Also: "Plasma instabilities are a better explanation for the Milky Way's strangely distorted central ring."
A Kinked Link: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch11/110801kinked.htm
12:56 PM on 01/19/2012
What you believe doesn't matter. Not even when you have a pseudo-science web site.
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SiriusMrE
"I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't believe it."
01:06 PM on 01/19/2012
Well, coming from you, I guess nothing else need be said...
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Daniel R Cobb
A Democrat, a Patriot with a Brain
01:57 AM on 01/24/2013
The explosion of pseudo-science on the web is pathetic.
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Thinkster
I Think, therefore I POST!
03:23 PM on 01/19/2012
Stick with peer-reviewed science - the Thunderbolts site is not peer-reveiwed - it's a site dedicated to way-out-there speculation with little attribution, and no research - just speculation and specious arguments, most of which have already been overturned or just dismissed by conventional wisdom and research.

Not worth the time to read it - I have better info elsewhere. Almost everywhere I look, actually.
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SiriusMrE
"I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't believe it."
05:17 PM on 01/19/2012
Oh, right. Peer review. OK.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/toaaj/V004-SI0162TOAAJ.htm

There really is a lot of real science here. That's not to say that we have all the answers--more research does need to be done.But, for those who look, there is plenty of hard-core science and math backing all this up. It's just that most astronomers don't know anything about electric discharge and its behavior.

Of course, you'll probably never read any of it because it's not worth your time; your worldview is very precarious and delicate, and cannot stand to be upset. I get it.

Keep on believing in dark fairies, I won't stop you...
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
12:07 PM on 01/19/2012
If this can actually be done, then any recent sci-fi script where our space ship accidentally stumbles onto a black-hole-- will require revision... Well, unless black holes can spontaneously appear or disappear! Hmmmm
12:59 PM on 01/19/2012
Black holes never posed any danger to anyone travelling near them. It is virtually impossible to fall into one. For all practical purposes we couldn't even "fall" into the sun with a real spacecraft right now... it would require the ability to achieve a delta v of almost 24km/s relative to Earth and that's very hard with current technology. It would take several Earth-Venus-Mercury swing-bys. Now multiply that difficulty with a thousand and you are nowhere close to how hard it is to "fall" into a black hole.
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
05:22 PM on 01/19/2012
You mean gravity repels!?! And here I thought it attracts-- who knew!
11:26 AM on 01/20/2012
I really need to take a Physics class. What you wrote sounds fascinating, however, my google search thus far for conservation of angular momentum has turned up a lot of math. Do the planet swing-bys have to do with getting the craft moving in the correct direction or is there a certain speed a craft needs?

Off for more google research.
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rog1112
stealing bread from the mouths of decadence
11:57 AM on 01/19/2012
Well, apart from the macro atmospheric perspective of millions of tiny (per the distance) 'objects' between here and there, what about the other smaller black holes between here and there bending space? Talk about unknown alogarithmic distortion.

Not saying they won't see something, but the nothing seen 'may' indeed be more an artful/creative interpretation of the scientific method than vice versa...

Jus' sayin'.