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Newt Gingrich Janitor Idea Won't Solve Jobs Crisis

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First Posted: 01/17/12 08:10 PM ET Updated: 01/18/12 10:32 AM ET

During Monday night's Republican debate in South Carolina, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich continued to promote his controversial strategy to fight both child poverty and the jobs crisis: New York City janitors who make "an absurd amount of money" should be fired and replaced by poor schoolchildren, he said.

"You could take one janitor and hire 30-some kids to work in the school for the price of one janitor," Gingrich said. "And those 30 kids would be a lot less likely to drop out. They would actually have money in their pocket."

The idea captures Gingrich's spin on two popular right-wing economic claims: Union workers are overpaid and the poor simply need to work harder to improve their lives.

In South Carolina, Gingrich didn't define an "absurd amount of money," but earlier this month he said, incorrectly, that an entry-level janitor gets paid twice as much as an entry-level teacher. Not only do Gingrich's calculations assume janitors earn much more than they actually do, his theory is deeply flawed, and would likely harm impoverished communities, not help them, researchers say.

The top salary for a New York City public school cleaner -- who generally does the type of work that Gingrich imagines schoolchildren might do -- is $37,710, or $18.13 an hour, according to the Service Employees International Union, which represents all 5,000 janitors. Divided among 30 kids, that would be some $1,257 a year, or a little over $24 a week. Meanwhile, the starting salary for a first-year teacher with no advanced degree is $45,530, more than a cleaner.

It's true that some workers classified as janitors make a decent living (by New York City standards): Custodial engineers in the New York City public school system can earn a top salary of $114,000 a year, but they start around $56,000 a year, and they work as supervisors -- not "entry-level" janitors. Along with supervising other custodians, their job responsibilities include repairing heating and electrical equipment and inspecting buildings. The work requires a high school diploma, or equivalent, along with years of experience, according to the New York City Department of Education.

Either way, if any of those janitorial positions were filled by schoolchildren, labor experts point out, the U.S. would have one less decently paying job.

"Essentially, Gingrich wants to take good-paying union jobs from parents and make it a low-paying job for a child to do," said Anne Thompson, a policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project, a group that promotes policies and programs that create good jobs.

This would exacerbate an already troubling post-recession trend: while the job market has improved in recent months, most of the jobs that have come back since the recession have been low-paying, according to a National Employment Law Project analysis.

"I don't see how his plan helps families struggling to pay bills or facing foreclosure," Thompson said. Even leaving aside the child labor laws put in place nearly a century ago, Thompson continued, "I'm not sure how this helps grow our economy."

The response from labor unions has been predictably enraged.

"To say these jobs pay too much, or should be given to kids, is not just a slap in the face of hardworking Americans struggling to make ends meet on a poverty-like wages, but an affront to any fair-minded person concerned about our schools, kids and the plight of millions of working families across our country," said Hector Figueroa, secretary-treasurer of 32BJ, the local Service Employees International Union that represents the New York City public school cleaners.

Research does not substantiate Gingrich's claim that these janitorial jobs would keep poor kids in school or improve their future.

"It's really based on a misunderstanding of who poor kids are," said Ange-Marie Hancock, an associate professor of political science at the University of Southern California and author of "The Politics of Disgust and the Public Identity of the 'Welfare Queen.'"

"It's the idea that poor children are inherently flawed and need to learn certain things, as opposed to thinking about the system that fails to serve them," Hancock said.

While there is plenty of research that supports various strategies for helping poor children -- extending the school day, or providing certain kinds of services -- there is no research, Hancock said, that supports the idea that children who work won't drop out of school. The closest supporting research Hancock knows is from last century that suggested children in orphanages would benefit from working.

The real point of Gingrich's claim, Hancock said, is to cue racial resentment among members of the audience, who greeted Gingrich's speech on Monday with great applause.

Gingrich was responding to a question from moderator Juan Williams, asking the former speaker whether he can see how his various statements on poverty and job creations -- about poor kids and janitorial work, but also his suggestion that black Americans should demand jobs, not food stamps, and his characterization of Obama as a "food stamp president" -- as "at a minimum, as insulting to all Americans, but particularly to black Americans?"

"No. I don’t see that," Gingrich said.

Gingrich's other statements on poverty and job creation were flawed claims as well: The Congressional Black Caucus held a jobs tour around the country last summer, highlighting high black unemployment rates and calling for job creation; Obama may be the president with the highest number of Americans on food stamps, but he has also presided over the worst recession since the Great Depression, before the program existed.

"Gingrich's vision is so profoundly myopic," Hancock continued. "He ignores that this takes jobs away from adults, he ignores the idea that there's something more than a job that's missing from the needs of these poor children, and he queues up these old stereotypes."

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During Monday night's Republican debate in South Carolina, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich continued to promote his controversial strategy to fight both child poverty and the jobs crisis: New York ...
During Monday night's Republican debate in South Carolina, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich continued to promote his controversial strategy to fight both child poverty and the jobs crisis: New York ...
 
 
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01:39 AM on 02/04/2012
Newt's Latest brainchild - "Cut Spending Send Poor Kids To The Moon" http://theweeklybendernews.blogspot.com/2012/02/cut-spending-send-poor-kids-to-moon.html
12:02 PM on 01/24/2012
I love how a journalist can take a thesis based on the premise of teaching kids the value of money through hardwork, build feelings of self-efficacy, and allowing them to manage their own finances into an argument that a 13 year old can support a family...
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mervr1
Today is a good day, I'm not a Repubagger
09:09 AM on 01/19/2012
New York City janitors who make "an absurd amount of money....

The top salary for a New York City public school cleaner -- who generally does the type of work that Gingrich imagines schoolchildren might do -- is $37,710, or $18.13 an hour,

So let's get rid of the parent's job and make the children the bread winner on less money, so then you can actually increase the welfare lines, something you accuse President Obama of doing.....

NO what's absurd is the amount of the 300K fine you had to pay for ethics violations, being forced to resign from Congress for those violations and then ACTUALLY being considered by the Republicans as a viable candidate to be POTUS.

NOW THAT'S ABSURD!
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ssnt
Asknotwhatyorcountrycando4uaskwhtucando4yorcountry
05:25 PM on 01/19/2012
Incorrect. In fact, there are those who bring in 6 figures.
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mervr1
Today is a good day, I'm not a Repubagger
05:47 PM on 01/19/2012
Figures, you'd overlook the real absurdity which is actually a FACT
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06:50 AM on 01/19/2012
Also, a single Republican politician can be replaced by a single three year old child. They both show the same amount of maturity and self control.
06:39 AM on 01/19/2012
This article is falling into Newt's trap. NYC has one of the highest costs of living in the US. Why don't you pick the janitor salary of a small town in Mississippi or South Carolina and do an equal comparison.
08:04 AM on 01/27/2012
THANK YOU!! my mom, who is a professional engineer, does not get paid $18/hour in texas. there is NO WAY janitors are paid this amount in the rest of the country. what a crock.
11:23 PM on 01/18/2012
Newt has a right wing social engineering solution to the shiftless attitude of poor black children. Let them clean toilets and they will grow to admire the work ethic of the white children that use the toilets. Newt, the idea man.
mavpay
I am WE THE PEOPLE
08:14 PM on 01/18/2012
Newt, after South Carolina, you and the Mrs. should take a loooooooooong Mediterranean cruise. I'll be happy to book it for you! Bon Voyage!
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Kalie
Left of Center
08:43 PM on 01/18/2012
Maybe you can get him a room on the Costa Concordia....hahahahhahahaha
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Steven Kippel
07:46 PM on 01/18/2012
Why should a parent support his family when the kids could support their parents on half the pay?
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Kalie
Left of Center
08:46 PM on 01/18/2012
1. The kids cant support the family on $1400/yr, and it is very dangerous for children to be alone, in a school after school or in the evening. A recipe for disaster.
2. Janitors are paid well because they have a variety of duties and it is back breaking work. Very physical and most children cannot manage this.
3. Why the heck would Newt have his daughter work as a janitor? Abusive father? I don't know one parent in my neighborhood who would get their child a janitor job. He's so out of touch with life it is sad.
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jbird606
07:23 PM on 01/18/2012
How about we make disgraced politicians bring us Porridge.
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Kalie
Left of Center
08:47 PM on 01/18/2012
Please sir, can I have some more? (Oliver). These are the days the GOP wants to go back to.
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jbird606
07:22 PM on 01/18/2012
The fat cream puff has never worked a day in his life. You can see it in his puffy cheaks
10:53 AM on 01/24/2012
Since the only real work is manual labor? Therefore, doctors, dentists, lawyers, et cetera don't work...
07:05 PM on 01/18/2012
Newton obviously has never had to work with his hands. What a nut case! Cleaning up puke was never healthy when I was a school-boy in the 1950's and 1960's. Today it is far more complicated. No one is allowed to know which children are HIV positive or who have full-blown AIDS. They have a right to privacy regarding their health conditions. Imagine cleaning up an infected child's puke. Newton does not think things through very well. He is too stupid to be the president of the free world. LOL
06:29 PM on 01/18/2012
I'm not looking to get paid the same amount as a doctor for being a secretary. I'm not interested in communism or anything like it. However, I do think that a job should be able to pay the bills. That if you're working hard, you should be able to achieve a reasonable standard of living. What's a reasonable standard of living? Let's define that: A clean safe place to go home to at night, food and water, reasonable transportation, and enough money to keep the lights on too. Why is it that people who work very, very hard doing the jobs that no one wants to do, can't do that with one job alone? Sometimes not even two jobs? The minimum wage in this country is way lower than it should be, considering the cost of living, and the job rates are ridiculous. Our jobs are in China, India, and other countries because the labor is cheaper. He wants the poor people to work harder so they can be successful? How? This country's unemployment rate is 20% right now (don't believe that 10% crap, they don't count people who have been out of work for longer than 6 months, or stopped looking, and that's a lot)! I would be happy to roll up my sleeves and support myself. However, for the time being, thanks to jokers like this guy, instead, I'm sending out resumes, cold calling random businesses, and praying that something comes up before I'm sleeping under a bridge.
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Kalie
Left of Center
08:50 PM on 01/18/2012
We just have to vote out, EVERY politician who is out of touch with the 99%.
09:57 PM on 01/18/2012
Tell that to everyone else. We need to throw them all out and start over. They're all so screwed up, and none of them are looking out for us.
09:02 PM on 01/19/2012
I am so sick of all the whining 99%ers you have got to stop falling for the left's class warfare games
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tjamman
Tax The Rich Until It's FIXED!!
08:53 PM on 01/18/2012
Re: "I'm sending out resumes, cold calling random businesses­, and praying that something comes up before I'm sleeping under a bridge."

I hope that works for you.

But the sad truth is there are sooo many people with the exact same options.

If not you, then simply SOMEONE ELSE will wind up sleeping under that bridge.

We need a plan that works for ALL Americans, not just a lucky few.

The real deal, people seem to not be aware of, is that capitalism can only work when there is job scarcity.
Who would work for minimum wage if there was a better wage available?

They wouldn't work in Thailand for $2 per day if there was a better option.

You wanna see REAL poverty?
Visit some of those places.
At our very WORST, even the most poverty stricken among us do better.

Poverty and desperation keeps cheap labor cheap!
09:54 PM on 01/18/2012
They keep sending our jobs overseas and the roles will reverse. Then they'll start shipping their work over here and we'll sweat all day for 25 cents.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
06:09 PM on 01/18/2012
When I was a kid in the 60's we did a lot of that stuff in our schools starting in the 3rd Grade...right through High School...and we didn;t get paid. It was fine..
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tjamman
Tax The Rich Until It's FIXED!!
08:58 PM on 01/18/2012
Care to cite any proof of this outrageous claim?

I too "was a kid in the 60's". The most I ever did was help clean the erasers and blackboard.

What High School has the kids work as janitors, and this is "fine"?
By your numbers, this was going on in the 70's!

High School kids doing janitorial work!

This NEVER happened and you know it!

If it ever did, Newt would be blasting this example worldwide.

Show ONE BIT OF PROOF!!

Go ahead, I DARE YOU!!

I officially CALL you on your B.S.
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LI2USsomemore
my dog has midriff bULGe
05:54 PM on 01/18/2012
All those with pitchforks, raise your hand! If the GOP takes Congress or the White House again, we'll need 'em.
madame48
NO..it's a gop Cookbook !Tempus edax,homo edacior
05:49 PM on 01/18/2012
I wonder if Newt wants his grandkids cleaning up the puke as the flu runs thru the 3rd grade...or as I break up fights in high school, both I and the floor get smeared with blood. Does he want his grandkids cleaning that up? I don't think so
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Ashok Hegde
05:59 PM on 01/18/2012
It's not about what you, or Newt, or anyone wants. It's about what is possible. Unskilled labor needs a start...a place where people can learn a work ethic.
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tjamman
Tax The Rich Until It's FIXED!!
09:00 PM on 01/18/2012
How about a place where CHILDREN can LEARN?

Getting to school on time, doing your lessons - THAT is the work ethic they need to learn.

Do you really think Newt ever did any such work, as a child?
CERTAINLY not as an adult...
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
06:10 PM on 01/18/2012
We did it inh our schools as young kids..it wasn;t a big deal..and we learned abit about having responsibilitys.. Starting at around the age of 8..
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tjamman
Tax The Rich Until It's FIXED!!
09:01 PM on 01/18/2012
You should have been studying written English instead!