Roe v. Wade Still Under Siege, 39 Years Later

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First Posted: 01/20/2012 4:58 pm Updated: 01/20/2012 5:22 pm

On January 22, 1973, the Supreme Court voted to protect a woman's right to have an abortion in the early stages of her pregnancy. Before the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, abortion was banned in two-thirds of states, and an estimated 1.2 million women a year resorted to illegal, often dangerous back-alley abortions.

Now, 39 years later, conservative lawmakers are making unprecedented moves toward reversing Roe v. Wade, and the legality of abortion is as precarious as it's ever been.

By all accounts, 2011 saw a remarkable wave of legislative attempts to limit women's reproductive rights. Some states brazenly challenged Roe with laws that would never have been considered before evangelical and Tea Party candidates swept state legislature elections in 2010. At least six states -- Alabama, Louisiana, North Dakota, Ohio, Mississippi and Oklahoma -- seriously considered laws that would ban abortion altogether.

None of these measures passed, in some cases because anti-abortion activists worried that they were so extreme that the inevitable court battles would only end up reaffirming Roe, but the states did enact more subtle limits on abortion that had a higher likelihood of standing up in court.

So-called "fetal pain" bills swept the Midwest in 2011, as five states joined Nebraska in banning abortions after 20 weeks of gestation. These bills directly challenge the Supreme Court precedent set forth in the 1992 case Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which effectively amended Roe to say that states cannot ban abortion before the fetus is considered viable outside the womb -- usually around 22 to 24 weeks.

As state lawmakers successfully passed a record number of previsions that restrict access to abortion, women's rights activists have had to pick and choose their court battles, based on which laws most egregiously fly in the face of Supreme Court precedent and place an undue burden on a woman's ability to seek abortion in her state.

The Center for Reproductive Rights (CRR) managed to block a law in Kansas that regulated abortion clinics so strictly that they would be forced to shut their doors. The group is also challenging a ban on safe, early-pregnancy medication abortions in North Dakota and laws in Texas and North Carolina that force doctors to show a woman her ultrasound image and play her the fetal heartbeat before she can have an abortion. The Texas law is the only one that has made it up to a U.S. Court of Appeals; 5th Circuit Chief Judge Edith Jones, a conservative, wrote the opinion upholding the law.

As states continue to lay the groundwork for challenging and ultimately reversing Roe, the CRR, the American Civil Liberties Union and other reproductive rights advocates are gearing up for many more court battles in 2012. A number of states are now considering "fetal personhood" measures, which would give legal personhood rights to fertilized eggs and ban abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger.

Ohio is also considering a "heartbeat bill," which would ban abortions as soon as the fetal heartbeat is detectable. This can occur as early as six weeks into gestation -- often before the woman even realizes she is pregnant.

"Many states are already preparing for the day after Roe," said Kristi Hamrick, a spokeswoman for Americans United for Life. "Abortion will become an issue decided by state legislators more in tune with the views of their constituents, rather than a few, robed individuals."

The fate of the state laws, if and when they reach the Supreme Court, will likely depend on which Justice Anthony Kennedy shows up.

There's the Justice Kennedy of Casey v. Planned Parenthood, who came to Roe's aid with vaunted libertarian language when abortion rights were directly under attack.

And then there's Justice Kennedy of the Carhart cases of 2000 and 2007, who sided with the Court's conservatives to uphold bans on late-term abortion procedures. They were successful the second time around, after Justice Samuel Alito replaced Justice Sandra Day O'Connor in 2006.

"It's anyone's guess as to which Justice Kennedy it will be," said Professor Helen Knowles of Whitman College and author of the book The Tie Goes to Freedom: Justice Anthony M. Kennedy on Liberty.

"Whether it will be the more libertarian, individual choice jurist that was present in Casey or the more conservative jurist who [in the late-term abortion cases] clearly saw individual choice needing to be restrained," Knowles told HuffPost, depends on how the state laws are presented to the Court.

"I don't think any full-frontal challenge to Roe is going to make much headway with Kennedy" given his vote in Casey, Knowles said. Indeed, Kennedy remains the only justice still sitting on the Court from that landmark case's five-member majority. As Casey's flame-keeper and -- since O’Connor’s retirement -- its chief interpreter, he wields the power to define abortion rights. But with that power comes the responsibility he shouldered in Casey to take those rights seriously, however narrowly he construes them and despite his known personal opposition to abortion.

Rather than take on Roe itself, then, Knowles said, "the way that pro-life groups would make greater headway is by defending parts of the regulation that come close to the central holding of Roe, but not too close.”

And the new spate of state laws appear designed to test just where Kennedy draws his red line. The fetal pain and fetal heartbeat laws play on the same sense of sympathy for the unborn that inspired Kennedy’s disgust with late-term abortion procedures. But when voting to uphold bans on some types of those procedures, Kennedy made clear that his doing so rested mostly on the actual or theoretical availability of other procedures by which a woman could still exercise her right to obtain an abortion before her fetus reaches viability. Fetal pain and fetal heartbeat laws -- like the even more extreme personhood laws -- that leave women with no alternatives risk triggering Kennedy’s sense of responsibility for Roe’s safekeeping.

Still, Kennedy believes that “the State’s constitutional position in the realm of promoting respect for life is more than marginal.” For that reason, laws that dictate how, and not whether, abortions are performed -- such as the Texas ultrasound law -- may pass muster with Kennedy. In his 2000 opinion, Kennedy noted that Casey reversed earlier decisions striking down laws requiring doctors “to inform the woman of the status of her pregnancy, the development of her fetus, the date of possible viability, the physical and emotional complications that may result from an abortion, and the availability of agencies to provide assistance and information.”

“Rather than exalting the right of a physician to practice medicine with unfettered discretion,” Kennedy wrote, the question courts must consider in abortion cases is whether the state had "substantial and objective medical evidence" to justify the law.

Justice Kennedy's pivotal role, however, could be entirely canceled out if a Republican takes the White House in 2012 and one of the Court's staunchly pro-choice members -- such as the 78-year-old Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg -- leaves the bench.

All four of the GOP presidential candidates who are still in the race have said that they would work to reverse Roe v. Wade, leaving the issue up to the states to decide, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) all said at a "personhood" forum Wednesday night that they would support granting legal rights to human embryos. Those three candidates also signed Susan B. Anthony List's pro-life leadership pledge, swearing to nominate only conservative justices to the federal bench and to "select only pro-life appointees for relevant Cabinet and Executive Branch positions.

Opposition to Roe v. Wade, however, is nothing new for today’s more extreme anti-abortion movement. When Kennedy -- along with fellow Reagan appointee O’Connor and George H.W. Bush appointee David Souter -- thwarted Roe’s reversal in 1992, the GOP committed itself to putting reliably pro-life judges on the federal bench. And George W. Bush did so upon taking office, stacking the appeals courts with judges capable of taking out Roe once and for all if tapped to take a seat alongside the Court’s four-justice conservative bloc.

"The presidency is critical in 2012," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "When the average age of retirement on the Supreme Court has been about 79, and we have three justices 75 and older, elections matter. Who's going to sit in that space? Will it be someone who respects freedom and privacy?"

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On January 22, 1973, the Supreme Court voted to protect a woman's right to have an abortion in the early stages of her pregnancy. Before the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, abortion was banned in two-t...
On January 22, 1973, the Supreme Court voted to protect a woman's right to have an abortion in the early stages of her pregnancy. Before the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, abortion was banned in two-t...
 
 
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Marcospinelli 06:44 PM on 01/20/2012
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04:27 PM on 04/01/2012
“"The presidency is critical in 2012," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "When the average age of retirement on the Supreme Court has been about 79, and we have three justices 75 and older, elections matter. Who's going to sit in that space? Will it be someone who respects freedom and privacy?"

Americans can't afford to vote for Republican­s anymore.”
01:59 PM on 03/30/2012
With the brutality of China's one-child policy, abortion must be outlawed in America, even through a consitutional amendment, if it comes to that, to make sure nothing like that ever happens in America.
04:26 PM on 04/01/2012
Prove anyone is trying to FORCE women in the US to get abortions.

It's you supporters of the GOP (Greedy One Percent) who are trying to FORCE women to bear rape babies.

LOL! Chilly8 FAIL!
10:31 PM on 01/28/2012
I realize that a lot of people reading this article consider themselves pro-choice. A few months ago a documentary came out (and the Huffington Post mentioned it) in which a number of people changed their view of abortion in a matter of seconds or minutes. It's had over 2 million views now. You can find it at http://180movie.com . If you watch the documentary through to the end, it may really make you think this subject through a little differently. Definitely this article here is controversial. What is human life to you? I challenge you to watch "180" Movie and see what you think after that.
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12:37 AM on 01/31/2012
Ridiculous and offensive
05:44 AM on 03/19/2012
And I challenge you to survive rape .... and carry a baby to term .... knowing all the while that what is growing inside you is the product of the monster who raped you.

Supposing you were stationed abroad and your wife was raped in your absence ..... Think how you would feel if you were confronted with that child and had to provide for it as well. Or that your daughter were raped as a teenager and you had to watch her go through the agony of an unwanted pregnancy. Think.

No one should be forced to undergo an abortion ... or to provide one if they are a doctor. But likewise no one should be forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy.

You can make all the laws you want .... but women will abort .... illegally or otherwise. It cannot be stopped. It can only be made safer. That's it.
10:20 AM on 03/19/2012
There is a video on YouTube entitled "Pregnant by Rape" where some young women who were raped had their babies. Having the baby actually brought joy and healing. One of the young women gave her child up for adoption. An innocent baby should not be killed for the crime of the father.

So, would you say that murdering someone should be legal, because people are going to murder people anyway? Well, that is what the court decided, but we will answer to a higher Judge one day for the "choices" made.

Women who abort their children regret it 90% of the time I read, and I have seen and heard testimonies where this is very true. Women are vulnerable when they are pregnant...due to hormone changes, etc. They are often pressured by others or their situation, and they are not in the best state to be making life and death decisions. I believe that God forgives the repentant sinner. I feel sad for those who live with the knowledge that they will never have a chance to hold their child. At conception a human being has gender and his or her set of DNA from each parent. They are human beings on life support. Abortion done by humans can never be safe for the child in the womb. It is usually fatal. The person in the womb (yes, a human is a person) never has a choice.
04:34 PM on 01/24/2012
1.2 million women died each year before Roe vs Wade and now 1.2 million girls and boys die each year as a result of abortion. How is this better? It is not who better deserves to live that we should debate, but how can we as individuals and as a society provide the opportunity and resources for all. We do not solve poverty by killing poor people and we do not liberate women by killing their children. People, civilizations and governments who take it as their authority to determine who lives and who dies are always on the wrong side of history. Let's choose life and work together to provide for everyone.
10:11 PM on 01/24/2012
You want to "choose life?" Knock yourself out. Would you mind terribly not forcing your choices on everyone else, though? One assumes the woman experiencing a crisis pregnancy probably knows at least as much about her circumstances as you do. She probably doesn't need your opinion to help her decide what to do.

To answer your question, between the two situations you describe, the "better" scenario is the one where the woman directly affected by the unwanted, unplanned pregnancy is the person who determines the outcome. Society doesn't get to invite itself into the healthcare decisions of other members of that society. If we allow others to participate in *this* private, personal, health-related decision, what other treatments and procedures will be opened up for a vote to the general public?
04:28 PM on 04/01/2012
You make the mistake of confusing a zygote with a full person.

Nothing supports you.

Not science

Not the Constitution

Not the Bible.

You FAIL!
10:45 AM on 01/23/2012
Get out your petticoats and bonnets ladies, for this is where the right wing is heading. Negating abortion rights is just the beginning of what will change if a Republican becomes President. Backtrack through laws benefitting women and remove them one by one. The right wing does not like women. We will be country without honor, and females and the poor will be the biggest losers.
01:22 PM on 01/23/2012
No, none of that would happen under a Republican President.
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01:27 PM on 01/23/2012
So Republicans will back off on this "personhood" stuff and trust us to make the best decisions for ourselves...so I can VOTE REPUBLICAN! Yes, I yelled. I want the spending under control. I want a freeze on the EPA. I want a smaller government, just not that small.

Hi, Harley, how are you?
10:23 PM on 01/24/2012
I'm a conservative, and I have an issue with your characterization of those on the other side of the political fence. We don't all march in lockstep; we don't all share a single opinion on this subject. Your declaration that "the right wing does not like women" is absurd -- you *are* aware, aren't you, that there are women on the political right? This is why it will be so difficult to find middle ground. It's hard to agree to listen to the other side's points when their adherents are lobbing ignorant, incendiary verbal bombs like this.

Further, I'm a little concerned about your implication that a Republican president could negate *any* rights. Rights aren't bestowed on us by politicians, as if we're their subjects. And a president cannot undo legislation that he doesn't like or agree with by edict. If you're old enough to vote, how come you don't know how our system works?
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12:18 AM on 01/31/2012
Uh, The right doesnt like women. Where have you been? have you missed the war against women's reproductive rights? Seriously...what planet do you live on?
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07:28 PM on 01/22/2012
Pro life is a hypocritical bunch of BS. when does life begin? At conception , when the baby takes it's first breath of air or anytime in between? no one really knows or is an authority to say. A woman has a right to choose what is right for her as an individual without government or clergy interference and nobody has the right to tell a woman different including a another woman let alone old men. who create the problem in the first place
09:24 PM on 03/18/2012
The right to life supercedes her "right" to kill the developing child in utero.
3 hours ago ( 2:08 PM)
I think life begins when the unborn child reaches "viability", the point where he or she can survive outside the womb. the earliest a child could be born and still have a chance to survive is at 20 weeks. because of technology
06:58 PM on 01/22/2012
"The presidency is critical in 2012," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "When the average age of retirement on the Supreme Court has been about 79, and we have three justices 75 and older, elections matter. Who's going to sit in that space? Will it be someone who respects freedom and privacy?"

Americans can't afford to vote for Republican­s anymore.
07:39 PM on 01/22/2012
Go peddle your extreme partisanship elsewhere. This debate has transcended the political mud-slinging and name-calling that sustains this site.
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04:00 AM on 01/23/2012
"Extreme partisanship"?

"Extreme" is giving an ectopic zygote more rights than a fully-realised human woman.
06:03 AM on 01/23/2012
Harley: "Go peddle your extreme partisansh­ip elsewhere."

LOL! Wishing away facts will not make facts go away. LOL!

Harley: " This debate has transcende­d the political mud-slingi­ng and name-calli­ng that sustains this site."

2) Prove it

3) Name calling like "your extreme partisanship"?

LOL! Harley hypocrisy FAIL!
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09:50 PM on 01/22/2012
f&f!
06:57 PM on 01/22/2012
If the GOP can't force women to give birth to kids before they are ready, where is Gingrich going to get enough grade-school janitors to break janitor unions?
06:51 PM on 01/22/2012
Rights come from God. God is against killing babies in the womb. So there is no right to an abortion. The states should be able to decide this issue of violence just like any other murder. Ron Paul stated this in the debate last week. Ron Paul 2012!
07:00 PM on 01/22/2012
vermoe: "God is against killing babies in the womb"

Prove it. Cite scripture about where God said that about "killing babies in the womb"

LOL!

vermoce FAIL!

Also, Ron Paul broke his own pledge not to vote for Federal laws about abortion, so FAIL!
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obama will mug the republicans in november
07:12 PM on 01/22/2012
when Ron Paul woke from his nap and made this statement had he already taken his geritol and prune juice or was it before. there's a big difference in what he says before or after his daily infusion.
09:08 PM on 01/22/2012
There's a Bible verse that says He created us in the womb. One of the ten commandments says not to kill.
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badwolf62
obama will mug the republicans in november
07:03 PM on 01/22/2012
there are many religions in this world and different versions of the bible and holy scriptures but there is only one true religion or version of the scriptures and that's the one that YOU as an INDIVIDUAL believe in. all others should be respected. The freedom of choice is what my religion and bible say, so respect it! you don't have to agree with it.
09:07 PM on 01/22/2012
Each state could decide. But the federal government is telling the states what they have to believe. They MAKE us have the law the way THEY BELIEVE. You like it because its the way YOU believe.
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05:13 PM on 01/22/2012
There are by most counts now over seven billion people on planet Earth. Obviously proliferation is a much bigger problem than abortion. If we blow up abortion clinics we are left with what? The Earth as a more dangerous place. If we kill qualified people willing to provide safe abortions to those who choose to have them who will fill the demand? Unqualified people who could care less what happens to the person after silver crosses his or her palm. Birth control or births out of control--a choice.
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03:15 PM on 01/22/2012
Some folks wonder why abortion is still a major issue. It's simple, a very sizable, loud, and well funded minority believe that life begins at conception, and only God knows if that is true or not.
04:51 PM on 01/22/2012
You should read your own comment.

"Believing" is actually an admission of not "knowing".
05:55 AM on 03/19/2012
The body is only a vehicle. If a cluster of cells is aborted, the incoming soul will choose another body. The soul is neither created nor destroyed ... it eixsts beyond time and space.

For Harley ... only the Creator knows the details. As for the immutability of the soul, I know. Because I remember .... and my faith encourages that rememberance.
02:48 PM on 01/22/2012
Perhaps we cannot say for sure when life begins, or when a fetus becomes human, although by all reasonable and scientific standards they both begin very early in a pregnancy. The question of humanity is a spiritual and/or philosophical question. And one that has been examined throughout history. Unfortunately, we are not entirely capable of answering that question. For me, there seems to be two answers on the opposite side of the curve. If we, as a society, claim that life begins at conception and humanity is not something we bestow upon another, than we, as a society, are responsible for all the children born in our society (to one extent or another) and must protect that life in all its stages. The other option is that we claim the right to bestow humanity on certain creatures, or ascribe a value to people. Throughout history, but especially in the last century, certain people have claimed the ability to do just that. They have claimed that some have more value than others, and still others are not human at all. This mentality has lead to the Holucaust, slavery, the sex trade, genocide, etc and yes abortion. We must know are limitations. We are not in a position to say who is human and who is not. We must reasonably assume that an unborn child, with distinct a DNA, individual attributes, etc is a human being. And as such, deserves our respect and assistance. We deny this at our own peril.
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04:28 AM on 01/23/2012
Oh dear. A zygote or embryo or fetus has its being from a realised, actual, individual with moral agency of her own. The pregnancy is carried at her cost. A fetus with no separate life from its carrier cannot be said to have a separate "being".

RvW creates a balance between fundamental legal and philosophical principles of universally-applicable human rights: the right of a woman to possess agency over her own body - the same principle by which slavery was abolished - and her right to define her uterus as private, versus the protection of the proto-human within her. As long as the fetus cannot live outside the womb the state cannot go in to protect it.

By valuing zygotes more than women, as a society, we would instantly make all women into second-class citizens at the mercy of others making decisions about the contents of any woman's womb. There are *already* women enduring criminal trials because they had a miscarriage. This is insane.

Changing Roe v Wade would create inumerable injustices and lead to a huge increase in female mortality, just as its passing was followed by a reduction. If women cannot get safe, legal abortions in the US, they will self-abort, or go to backstreet abortionists, or - if they are wealthy - go to clinics abroad to get safe, legal abortions. Women get abortions. That will never change.
06:05 AM on 03/19/2012
The error is assuming we are the body. We are NOT. The body is merely a vehicle. Neither do we kill nor are we killed .... not that essential part of us.

It has always suprised me that people can believe in "heaven" and the "soul" .... and can see the decay of the natural world in the cycle of life and death .... and still not understand that these are two distinct things. Do you believe your soul survives? If so, it's obvious the body does not, unless you believe in some fantasy reconstruction .... the soul survives the body. An aborted clump of cells is a potential vehicle ... that is all.

Personallhy if I were a soul cruising around for a vehicle, I wouldn't want to choose to be an unwanted baby ... or a product of rape. I would hope for a loving family.
01:31 PM on 01/22/2012
Someone said below that "the fetus has no more right to live than a spider".

That has to be the most farcical comment of the whole thread.

You can argue the civil rights issue over control of a woman's body, and that's fine, there we have a debatable point. But no one knows when the fetus becomes a human being, but everyone in their right mind should acknowledge that that occurs sometime before birth.

When a doctor performs a C_section, that action does not miraculously confer humanity on the fetus/baby. With advances in medical technology, extremely premature fetuses/babies survive. Even the most ardent pro-choice scientists/biologists/doctors wouldn't insist that an 8 1/2 month-old fetus wasn't a functional human being.

Roe v. Wade resulted in the Supreme Court deciding that a woman's control over her own body takes precedence over whatever resides in her womb. The Court made no decision on when human life begins, as it realized, correctly, that it was incapable of doing so.
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06:09 PM on 01/22/2012
Either you're misinformed, or you're lying. The Roe decision gave no such rights to anyone to abort a viable fetus "just because." Even if it had, nobody but an unqualified quack would do that.
The SCOTUS or nobody else needs to define "when life begins." That is a question for philosophers, not legislators. However, the constitution does define when a person begins. That would be at birth. Roe and Casey actually extends that further to the time of viability. I can live with that. Nobody needs to "abort" a viable fetus. That would correctly be called a delivery.
Viability prior to 23 weeks is unknown. Even then the chance is about 25%, and rsults in severe disability in most cases.
07:03 PM on 01/22/2012
Harley " The Court made no decision on when human life begins, as it realized, correctly, that it was incapable of doing so."

LOL! So you admit that Ron Paul and Rick Santorum and the rest of the GOP are WRONG when they claims otherwise or try to pass LAWS otherwise?

LOL!
11:26 AM on 01/22/2012
Im not a republican and I believe Roe v. Wade is a lie. We went from protecting the right to procreate or not to terminating fetuses. The jump was uncalled for and cruel.
12:07 PM on 01/22/2012
It wasn't a jump. Many states had legal abortion access, the battle came about because of states that didn't have legal access. Further, terminating a pregnancy has thousands of years of history and the right to choose to procreate or not is the most basic and fundamental right a woman has. We don't mandate organ donation regardless of the circumstances because it violates individual rights to require someone to undergo a procedure that risks their health and wellbeing for the benefit of another. Even in death, organ and tissue donation is voluntary. Mandating a woman to donate her uterus at risk to her health and life is no more acceptable than mandating a man donate a kidney, heart, lung or otherwise. Donation is voluntary in every other forum, even though people die waiting for organ donors...and no one thinks about violating that autonomy, a woman's uterus is held to the same standard as every other situation of organ donation.
12:48 PM on 01/22/2012
Organ donation gives someone else a second chance at life, _ab.or.tion denies life to someone.
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06:00 PM on 01/22/2012
You still have the right to procreate or not, don't you? Unless there is something wrong with you, you know that.
10:52 AM on 01/22/2012
There is an extreme lack of journalistic integrity when it comes to the topic of Roe V Wade. Read the findings of the court case yourself, you will not find anything that says abortion was ever made legal by the Supreme Court. Seriously! In fact the judge who wrote the findings was so appalled by society's understanding of what he wrote, that he followed it up with a book explaining more clearly that he, the deciding vote, did not grant the right to abortion. The vote was logged in the Library of Congress as 5 to 4 against abortion.
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06:13 PM on 01/22/2012
Nonsense.
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08:11 AM on 01/23/2012
Apparently, a new shipment of trolls has arrived. I've seen a lot of 0-fan conservatives in the past week or so.
07:04 PM on 01/22/2012
Prove it.