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No Conviction, No Freedom: Immigration Authorities Locked 13,000 In Limbo

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First Posted: 01/27/2012 10:57 am Updated: 03/28/2012 5:12 am

WASHINGTON -- On a single day this past fall, the United States government held 13,185 people in immigration detention who had not been convicted of a crime, some of whom will not be charged with one, according to information The Huffington Post obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. Instead, at a cost of roughly 2 million taxpayer dollars per day, the men and women were detained while immigration authorities sorted out their fates.

This case stands in stark contrast to the stated goal of immigration policy under the administration of President Barack Obama: to detain and deport unauthorized immigrants who've been convicted of crimes.

"ICE is focused on smart, effective immigration enforcement that prioritizes the removal of convicted criminal aliens, fugitives, recent illegal border crossers and egregious immigration law violators, such as those who have been previously removed from the United States," Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Nicole Navas said in a statement. "ICE's enforcement approach is enhancing public safety in communities around the country."

As the GOP presidential contest moves to Florida -- a key primary state and home to 1.5 million Latino voters -- the issue of immigration policy will move to center stage. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has positioned himself to appear as the candidate who is toughest on immigration, arguing that any of the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants here without documentation should be removed regardless of circumstances -- a policy that would jam already overcrowded detention centers. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, meanwhile, has argued that law-abiding people with deep ties to their community and a long tenure in the United States should be given the opportunity to stay.

The FOIA request for information on all immigrants in detention on Oct. 3, 2011, turned up a list of nearly 32,300. Forty percent of those held by ICE had not been convicted of a crime, nor were they awaiting criminal trial. Despite what the term "illegal immigration" implies, simply being in the country without status is a civil, not a criminal, offense.

Rapists and murderers, frequently cited as the main unauthorized immigrants ICE is trying to remove, made up a far smaller percentage of those held that day than the innocent, traffic violators or low-level drug offenders, according to ICE's crime breakdown.

"The fact is, we're not deporting huge numbers of rapists and murderers," said Emily Tucker, director of policy and advocacy for the Detention Watch Network, which pushes for limiting detention and deportation. "They would like us to think that, but that isn't what is going on."

Locking people up is big business. The Corrections Corporation of America, which gives heavily to both parties, is explicit about the connection between immigrant detention policy and the private prison company's bottom line. "[T]he demand for our correctional and detention facilities and services ... could be adversely affected by changes in existing criminal or immigration laws, crime rates in jurisdictions in which we operate, the relaxation of criminal or immigration enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction, sentencing or deportation practices, and the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by criminal laws or the loosening of immigration laws," the company wrote in an analysis for investors filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. "Immigration reform laws which are currently a focus for legislators and politicians at the federal, state and local level also could materially adversely impact us."

ICE has been publicly attempting to shift away from detaining innocent immigrants, and has implemented new policies to increase prosecutorial discretion. Separate data provided by ICE indicates progress in that direction. The percentage of non-criminals in detention decreased significantly between the 2008 and 2011 fiscal years, from 71 percent to 54 percent, according to that data, and deportation of criminal immigrants has increased from previous years.

ICE officials never claimed they would stop detaining and deporting low-level offenders and non-criminals entirely, despite policy changes intended to increase the proportion of dangerous criminals in the system. In a June 2011 memo from ICE Director John Morton, he emphasized that "nothing in this memorandum should be construed to prohibit or discourage the apprehension, detention or removal of other aliens unlawfully in the United States."

Still, the administration has taken pains to neutralize its record-breaking deportation rates, which have earned them ire from immigration advocates. The continuing detention of tens of thousands of noncriminal and low-level offenders works against that effort, threatening to undermine political support for the administration among the immigrant community.

On Oct. 3, detainees considered the most dangerous, referred to as Level 1, made up 31 percent of those kept in detention facilities. Level 1, according to the memo, is composed of the highest-priority detainees "who pose a danger to national security or a risk to public safety," including for suspected terrorism, violent crimes and gang activities.

Authorities held 9,867 people classified as Level 1 in detention facilities Oct. 3. Of those, a fifth were held for violent crimes, including sexual assault. But more than a third were locked up for drug crimes, largely marijuana- or cocaine-related, or driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs.

Level 3 is made up of fugitives from immigration law with non-violent criminal convictions and illegal reentrants to the country. Half the people in this group were being held for a DUI or a lower-level drug violation. Another sixth were held for non-booze related traffic offenses.

The detention numbers can be loosely compared to data obtained by the Associated Press in 2009 as part of a Freedom of Information Act request, also based on a single day of data. On Jan. 25, 2009, there were exactly 32,000 people detained in the U.S. immigration system, according to a March 2009 article. The number for that day, shortly after Obama was sworn into office, is roughly the same today. The comparison shows progress toward the goal of detaining fewer innocent people: A significantly larger proportion of detainees, about 58 percent, had no criminal conviction, the AP reported of the 2009 sample.

Some of those listed as non-criminals may have violated civil immigration law or may have been charged with other crimes, including the federal crime of reentry, but not convicted.

It's one thing to deport immigrants who are in the United States without authorization. Anyone who enters a country outside of the legal immigration channels, or overstays a visa, knows that such a possibility exists. But it's quite another to separate that person from his or her family and lock him or her away for an indefinite period, while ICE works through its paperwork.

International human rights law requires governments to protect detainees from violent crime while in custody. Yet incidents of rape and violent assaults in immigration detention centers are not uncommon.

There are alternatives to locking up people who would not otherwise be imprisoned if not for their immigration status, ones that would leave the person with his or her family, and cost taxpayers far less than the estimated $95 to $141 per day spent to detain them.

"We're talking about a significant expense to U.S. taxpayers," said Michael Tan, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, which advocates for alternatives to detention. "It makes a lot of sense, and it's long overdue for the government to take a hard look at how it's spending its detention dollars."

Instead of detention for low-level or non-criminal offenders, advocates say the government should increase its use of ankle bracelets and other monitoring for undocumented immigrants not considered to be a flight-risk. Although some crimes require detention based on a 1996 federal law, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, immigration lawyer David Leopold said the definition of detention could include other steps that limit the freedom and movement of people who would otherwise be kept in detention facilities.

Leopold said the government does not yet seem to be considering that option on a large scale.

"Detention means that a person is not free," Leopold, past president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said. "Anybody who is wearing an ankle bracelet and is subject to monitoring on a 24-7 basis, is not free. So if they give me an ankle bracelet and tell me, 'you can't leave your house unless you have permission from immigration and you can't go here and you can't go there,' I'm detained."

Jason Cherkis contributed reporting.

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nunzi1
02:22 PM on 03/08/2012
To say that these people do the menial jobs that no one else wants is a crock.I'm a carpenter and I go to job sites trying to find work and see nothing but Mexicans doing carpentry.Years ago it was just landscaping.Now we have them in the trades working for half of what I was paid.Employers should be fined for hiring illegals and in some places they are.So if an illegal comes here and takes food out of my mouth then thats just plain wrong.I'm a Democrat and I beleive that if you want to reside in this country then you need to do it legally. Try pulling this in Austalia and you get locked up for a few years and then get booted back where you came from.It's not our fault that their country is so corrupt that they can't make decent money there.
01:35 PM on 02/13/2012
America can Rebuild Nations around the Globe for those that even hate us.

Can we not treat Good, Hard Working Christians Parents of our own Citizen Children in our "Homeland" as Human?

To: America, the Greatest Nation on Earth.
01:27 PM on 02/13/2012
This is the "Wrong Road America is on."

January 2008 = The start of the E-verify Law, and the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs.

January 2008 Also = The start of the "Worst Recession in U.S. History".

Hundreds of Thousands of Immigrants vacated Homes no matter who owned them triggered, and caused the "Foreclosure Crisis."

This caused Construction, and Growth to Halt, it also left entire States with massive Excesses of Total Government Services, not just Teachers.

Fact: For every Good, Hard Working Immigrant Deported since January 2008 America has lost over four times as many American Jobs.

Fact: The HARD LABOR Immigrants gladly did for America was the very "Foundation of our Strong Economy, and it supported all other American Jobs.

Fact: Every Stimulus, Bail Out, Cash for Clunkers, Jobs Bill, Mortgage Program has occurred since the Deportations began, by two Presidents thus far, and has only been "Treating the Symptoms" of the Deportation Damage done to America.


"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
Alex De Tocqueville

Besides these Thousands of Incarcerated "Human's";

Since January 2008:
Over Five thousand legal Hispanic Children are no iun Foster Care.

Over Forty-two Thousand Hispanic Human Being's now lay Dead at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. has Deported Hundreds of Thousands into a known "Drug War" with nothing, not even water to be killed, or to Die of exposure.


To: Good, and Brotherhood.
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Lloyd Wilson
09:24 AM on 02/14/2012
By "parents of legal Americans" you must mean "anchor parents".
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nunzi1
02:32 PM on 03/08/2012
Blaming the recession on illegal deportation is a bunch of bullshit.You want to come here then do it legally. It's the law and needs to be enforced.I've been all over this country in the last 20 years and illegals are taking trade jobs everywhere.Go to home depot in Seattle and see hundreds sitting there waiting for work.They work for half of what I make and are taking jobs from AMERICANS.When I try to find work and see nothing but illegals on the jobsite I get a little angry.20-30 years ago it wasn't like this. It's gone way too far and needs to stop.I know because I'm living it.I don't know where you get your "facts"from but thy're wrong.You must not work in the trades.
08:24 PM on 02/08/2012
Talk about a scarlet letter-
A friend of mine, a Lawful Permanent Resident of 20+ years from Holland, was detained this weekend going through immigration returning from vacation for having a 12 year old misdemeanor for which he paid fines and did community service. It was a nonviolent crime which required no jail time. He was never given notice that this made him susceptible to detention/deportation. Since 2000, he has traveled internationally numerous times, renewed his green card, and renewed his passport. However, this trip he got detained where he'll sit in a jail, without bail and without any charges pressed against him to even defend at this time. His immigration attorney says this could take 3-6 months before he sees a judge. He has a wife and two small children, who depend on him greatly and a large family who love him dearly.
I certainly can not afford detaining innocent people for petty crimes they were convicted of 10-20 years ago. Can you?
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:37 AM on 01/30/2012
What a total misleading and dishonest story.

First a alrge number of detainees are there simply by choice - their choice. They could agree to go home and be freed. Yet they continue to fight. Why? Because it is free, it has no downside as they are already ID'd as illegals who have been caught breaking our laws. So their only chance to continue to fleece the taxpayers is to fight deportation using every trick they can. This costs money and takes time. The money is taxpayers. The time is our government employees. The illegals have nothing to loose by doing this.
09:57 AM on 01/31/2012
This article is right on!
I do pastoral care in a large detention center and believe me they would all be out of there tomorrow if they could -the food is lousy, the cots uncomfortable, the clothes - orange suits,
family visits are by TV monitors, they are shackled to go to court dates or anywhere else.
I have met people from 40 different countries and one man with no country!!!
Do you know anyone who is or has been in detention??? Even when they say they want to be
deported and will pay for the ticket, it takes MONTHS before it actually happens. On the way to the airport they are shackled into the prison bus and shackled on the airplane.
They leave with whatever clothing they were picked up in - if picked up in July and deported in January they have no warm clothing.
I pray this never happens to someone you love.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:12 AM on 01/31/2012
First these people made the choice to come here illegally, overstay their visa, commit some other crime or similar.

NOBODY forced them to come here. Nobody forced them to break the law.

That said I have less sympathy for these people then the people who are victims of their crimes. Do you have no sympathy for the illegal's victims?


But I do agree "sometimes" if they agree to removal it can take a few months. That is usually due to reasons that are their own fault such as no good ID on them, we are unsure if they are responsible for other crimes and similar.

Again they are the ONLY ones at fault here - not this country - we are the victims.

Do you blame the rape victim? Do you blame her for her rapists detention? Do you think the rapist should be just taken to court with no shackles? Do you feel she should have fought back harder?

I wish instead you would pray that the illegals CHOOSE to never break our laws anymore thus sparing them their own self-caused problems and this country the trillions it spends on them instead of our own poor citizens.
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koolwoman
12:40 AM on 01/30/2012
I can hardly believe all these haters. We are all immigrants. What would you do to feed your starving children?. Have some compassion. These private prisons are raking in big bucks(billions) by imprisioning undocumented workers. Private prisons will keep them as long as they can. Talk about fraud and abuse of the system, this is much worse than medicare fraud. These are decent hard-working people trying to feed their families. Deport the criminals who committ real crimes, but stop punishing these decent people who work hard, pay taxes and spend their money locally. To all you family values folk, remember that Jesus said, "Inasmuch as you do this for the least of these, my children, you do it unto me."
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:43 AM on 01/30/2012
I'm not an immigrant.

In fact most people in this country are not immigrants.

Also most of those are the decendants of LEGAL immigrants. There are also about 20 million or more who are decendants of illegals granted one of the SEVEN amnesties we have allowed so far.


We allow more legal immigration then the rest of the world - combined. We give those immigrants more than any other country does. We pay for so much for them and they can have lots of kids that we taxpayers educate, house, medicate, feed and clothe. But to you we are somehow "haters"??? We have shortages of water, every energy product, good land, open spaces, crumbling infrastructure and have no place for the landfills we need. But YOU want more more more?

What do we have to do to pass judgement with you? Allow the rest of the worlds 4 BILLION abject poor to come here?

We will never have any control over who and how many people come here if our test for citizenship is "can you make it here without getting caught or can you breed once here".
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koolwoman
09:49 PM on 01/30/2012
When I say we are all immigrants, I mean that our ancestors were,so we should realize that native Americans probably felt that way about our ancestors. I share your concern about population growth and the coming scarcity of food,water, and space. With these facts before us, I am surprised that we are not limiting the size of families and encouraging the use of contraceptives. The catholic church is one of the biggest violators, by encouraging more and more births, even in the poorest countries. I still believe that it would be cruel to deport hard-working, law abiding people who have been here for years ,payed taxes and obeyed our laws. . Did you read about the state of Alabama,having fruit and veggies rotting in the fields,because they had scared off the people who picked the crops. Also, when they had the horrible destructive tornado, the man in charge of cleaning it up, had n ow workers available. So there are jobs that americans won't do. There should be a humane solution to this problem.
12:35 PM on 02/07/2012
Most are descendants of "legal" immigrants only because there were virtually no immigration laws when our ancestors arrived. If it were possible for today's "illegal" immigrants to come legally, they would LOVE to do so. How many of you have at times exceeded the speed limit? If so, you have violated US CIVIL laws. That does not make you a criminal. Immigration violations are also CIVIL violations, not crimes (other than a few exceptions such as immigrant smuggling, fraud, etc). We have generally done away with imprisonment for civil violations in every realm other than immigration. (No debtor's prisons, for example). It is true that the taxpayer pays for imprisoning immigration detainees. The previous poster's comment re our test for citizenshi­p is "can you make it here without getting caught or can you breed once here" displays a complete lack of understanding of our immigration law. To qualify for citizenship, an individual must generally have had Lawful Permanent Residence (LPR) for at least five years To get LPR, an individual must have an approved petition by a family member or job, and a current visa number. To get LPR while in the U.S., person generally needs to be in current lawful immigration status. A U.S. citizen cannot petition for a foreign parent until the "child" is at least 21 years old. Many people with U.S. citizen children and spouses are "stuck" without status.
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Scott Leland
10:43 AM on 01/31/2012
We are all...citizens and our forebearers "played by the rules" to come here legally. With 25 million Americans unemployed our country does not need any more immigrants.
12:02 PM on 01/31/2012
[citi­zens and our forebearer­s "played by the rules" to come here legally.]

Aye, but the rules have been changed over the years.

Should we go back to the same rules in effect when my paternal grandparents came to the US, the vast majority of illegal aliens in the US today would have been legal.

Of the million or so immigrants lawfully permitted to enter the US each year, roughly 600,000 are family members and many are not taking the jobs away from others in the near term, since a number of these immigrants aren't old enough for the workforce.

But of those immigrants who do seek work and are finding work, perhaps the more important question is why aren't some of those 25 million unemployed in the US not seeking or accepting employment in the jobs the immigrants are taking?
10:54 AM on 02/02/2012
[ Gee Guy, I can see that logic and the facts I have learned through my EXPERIENCES in looking for work in Lost Angeles are not going to change your beliefs that the Hispanic Journalists Association ("A Latino in every newsroom") have inculcated in you through it's Main Stream Media Propaganda Program. ]

I seriously doubt that I have any association with the Hispanic Journalists Association chapter in my neighborhood nor have I ever subscribed to their Main Stream Media Propaganda Program. I do watch a number of hours of news on our news channel, rotating between Fox, MSNBC and CNN, depending on the time of day. Nothing like a balanced afternoon with The O'Reilly Factor followed by Lawrence O'Donnell.

I never tried looking for a job in the greater Lost Angeles area, but I'd say if I was having trouble finding a job in the area, I'd have to start expanding the search area.

What are your skills? What is your educational level? What is your previous work experience? Do you have any networking access through friends and relatives? What jobs are open in your area? Are you underqualified or overqualified for the jobs that are being advertised?
Realist2011
beware false profits....
10:01 AM on 01/29/2012
Detaining them isn't necessary. If they aren't here legally, then they are criminals. Verify they aren't legally entitled to be here, which shouldn't take long, then put them on a bus and ship them home. End of story. When they came across the border illegally, they violated our laws. They are now criminals. So there are no "innocent" illegals in jail.

We need more buses and fewer jail cells. They don't deserve to be incarcerated, just be nice and give them an air-conditioned bus ride to the border.
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new 10 ole ole
09:51 AM on 01/29/2012
The comments here about a high percentage of "across the ocean" illegals is the problem not the hispanic folks.

They are wrong. Over 70% of illegals are here to retake lost territory and have no desire to assimmilate in USA. The others do have valid assimmilation ideals. The Hispanic are haters, and fighters taking advantage of a weak kneed jello brained progressive USA populace . The hispanics have an agenda of takeover for their rights to the Spanish territories, and have no real compassion for anyone other than hispanic culture.
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Lloyd Wilson
01:27 PM on 01/31/2012
I'm against illegal immigration and amnesty, but I disagree with the characterization about Hispanics. The ones I know, including the illegals, are hospitable, and would be excellent additions to our population, if they follow due process, and immigrate legally.
12:39 PM on 02/07/2012
I agree that the vast majority of Latinos, immigrants or not, documented or not, are productive members of our society. Unfortunately, unless and until we revise our laws, there is no means for the undocumented to change that status, nor would there have been a means for them to immigrate legally, due to the stringent visa requirements and numerical limitations.
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nunzi1
02:37 PM on 03/08/2012
You hit the nail on the head OLE OLE.
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CamelPaw357
08:08 AM on 01/29/2012
What these charts do not show is the fact that illegal coming into this country is an offense. And once they use someone an unauthorised SS number, that's another offense. Working illegally is also a crime. Fraud to receive public assistance is also a crime. These people are criminality. They should be in jail, every one last of them.
02:55 AM on 01/30/2012
[Working illegally is also a crime]

True, but isn't hiring an illegal alien also a crime? If there were no employment opportunities, the vast majority of illegal aliens would not be in the US.


[ They should be in jail, every one last of them. ]

Jail the employers as well.
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nunzi1
03:41 PM on 03/08/2012
Ten years ago in Mount Kisco New York you had to have a permit ( $35.00 ) to hire an illegal. I don't know they still do that.
u s e r
Micro-bios are for microbes
08:00 AM on 01/29/2012
Obama: "Watch what I say out of this side of my mouth, not what I actually do"
hagenjr
Shovel ready freeborn son of the Republic
02:02 AM on 01/29/2012
So if I become an illegal I get a pass on most driving and drug laws?
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Wurkenstiff
Accept me for who I am and it won't be empty!
06:53 AM on 01/29/2012
No more pesky DMV for you my friend!
No need to bother getting a written, road and vision test that most 16 year old kids are required to take and if you get a DUI no need to worry about losing your license or the expense of getting it back!
07:46 AM on 01/29/2012
You are making a good argument to allow illegal aliens of legal driving age to obtain drivers licenses, specially marked that US citizenship not verified and the DL is not valid identification for voting.
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Scott Leland
10:25 AM on 02/01/2012
Did you know that the Department of "Homeland Security" forced all of the state legislators to pass laws requiring their Secretaries of State to require their citizens to present a "government issued birth certificate" to renew their driver's licenses? The one issued by the hospital you were born-in isn't good enough anymore.

Meanwhile, the Illegal Immigrants drive around in anonymity.
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CamelPaw357
08:06 AM on 01/29/2012
Illegals normally get away with most felony crimes, too.
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new 10 ole ole
09:53 AM on 01/29/2012
sho nuff!
01:22 PM on 02/06/2012
Really? What the heck does that even mean? These are people you are talking about, not rabid dogs.
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robidomoore
devils advocate
01:51 AM on 01/29/2012
the fact of the matter is we as a nation or even the european countries are afraid of being considered racist for deporting or even re-thinking their stances on immigration and migration. We have seen this countries population double since the late fifties and go out the roof since a law was passed in 1967 in the Johnson Administration to ease immigration laws.

It is said we will need a child birth rate greater than 2 per household to maintain our economy and that immigration is the means to achieve this. It only appears that politicians are saying this to pay for the entitlements passed in the past and there expansionism in this area. In no way can a nation grow at this rate and expect to pay for future outlays and expect every one to have middle class wages let alone with the higher cost of living that has surged since the early 70's.

More citizens would love to have more children but the cost is prohibitive...this is not the 50's when it was cheaper to raise a child...yes we can bring our birth rate up if the cost of living is brought under control. Deportation should not be viewed as racist, but as a means to control the ever burdening growth of our population that is sure to hit 500 million in the next 40-50 years...these growth rates can't continue nor the outlays to support them
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new 10 ole ole
09:54 AM on 01/29/2012
Can anyone say weak kneed jello brained progressive do gooder mentality?
10:13 PM on 01/29/2012
My son in law who has been in the US since he was seven is now 27, was arrested here in AZ for a crime he commited and served time in the county jai in 2008l, is now in Eloy AZ Federal prision since his arrest Jan 05 2012. You cant tell me was a danger to anyone. He made a mistake and now is forced to relive this ordeal. He is now married and was suppose to start a job that same week. My daughter is without her husband for no good reason. He is a good law obiding ciizen.
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Scott Leland
10:26 AM on 02/01/2012
We have the late Senator Ted Kennedy to thank for that immigration law.
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new 10 ole ole
11:14 AM on 02/01/2012
Who would have thought-K Killer Kennedy?
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sk8queen
It is what it is...
01:47 AM on 01/29/2012
They may as well be in Guantanamo....
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Wurkenstiff
Accept me for who I am and it won't be empty!
06:54 AM on 01/29/2012
Wish they were! One step closer to home.
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Will Vazquez
12:33 AM on 01/29/2012
south and western united states were taken from mexico by force . look at names of cities in Texas California Arizona, new mexico i guess they want there land back . most Americans don t want jobs there doing anyway. last year i went to unemployment office in California .i gave 23 Americans jobs that day . only 18 showed up to work .i took them to a grove to pick oranges . i already had a crew working so the 18 american workers were told what was needed from them .about 6 got back in there cars and took off . the other 12 lasted anywhere between 30 to 50 minutes before they stopped . if they would have stayed they would have earned anywhere between 70 to 120 dollars for six hours of work . why did this happen because it would be so easy to go to unemployment and cry that there is no work for them because the Mexicans took all the jobs . they get there free money and then they rent there social secuity cards out to illegal aliens. this is criminal poor California is full of these situations. this is a true story . by the way while in the unemployment office i witnessed many people leave the building when they heard i was there to give jobs it was funny and sad at the same time . 1000 jobs available florida california
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andreabeth7
01:12 AM on 01/29/2012
Mechanical orange harvester.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VITwTZNMYY
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Will Vazquez
02:24 AM on 01/30/2012
good for nothing . shakes the trees violently and bruises the fruit. and the fruit cant be used for packing was its beat up ...
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Scott Leland
10:31 AM on 02/01/2012
Thank you for the great Link! People are going to say that this machine will "damage the trees and bruise the oranges" but the trees will have nine months to recover from any damage to the branches before the next growing season and the fruit in The U.S. is picked before it is fully ripe because it spends months in cold storage.
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wigglwagons
01:13 PM on 01/29/2012
Boo Hoo!!! The exploitive ag employers have spent at least 30 years telling American workers to buzz off. Now they whine and cry when workers tell them to buzz off. "this is a true story"

Until the mid 80's I worked South Florida, the Rio Grande Valley and the San Joaquin Valley. Most of the picking and packing was done by citizen and legal resident Americans. They made a good living by following the crops and working hard for piece work pay. Willie Boy will have to do better than the vague "70 to 120 dollars for six hours of work" that he is bragging about like that is a lot of money. He forgot to mention what benefits he offered. If one of those hands fell out of a tree, would he be covered by comp? How long was this job going to last? One day, one week, even a month is not worth screwing up your current situation. When America finally wakes up and kicks out all the illegals so people can get plenty of on going work, people like Willie Boy will have plenty of workers. The only problem is that they will have to pay fair wages and BENEFITS as determined by supply and demand just as the price of oranges is determined by supply and demand.
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Will Vazquez
07:59 PM on 01/29/2012
workers comp yes a must . harvesting is done year round and in two states . 11 to 20 dollars per hr is very fare . read carefully .they were unemployed and they all were there cause they walked in to unemployment office at the wrong time .not one of these people really wanted to work . they were just looking for a free ride free money . america needs to stop giving away the money .my money .. i paid over three hundred thousand dollars in taxes . and these lucky to be americans are just stealing it . i respect any man or women that goes to work and does all they can to EARN a living .
i work 80-90 hrs per week and these crooks stay home watching opera . maybe we can deport americans that don t want to pay there way .
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thecoffeeparty
Wake up.
11:45 PM on 01/28/2012
Wow. A lot a racist comments in on this comment board. I love how all of you forget that unless you were a Native American Indian, most of your ancestors came here 'illegally'. What it comes down to is there is a better solution, and due process. Also try going to a resturant, buying groceries, or buying a PRODUCT that isn't made from another country with sweatshop factory conditions (iPhone anyone?) or by an illegal immagrant. Instead of flapping your gums from you barkalounger, why don't you put your money where your ignorant mouth is and boycott EVERY PRODUCT made by or picked by an illegal/sweatshop. Good luck with that.
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Wurkenstiff
Accept me for who I am and it won't be empty!
06:59 AM on 01/29/2012
HEY! Don't blame us, we were born here!
I was not given a choice by my parents about where I was born.
Just don't want to pay the bill for illegals.
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thecoffeeparty
Wake up.
01:36 PM on 01/29/2012
And I don't want to pay for Wars that we had no business starting. You people are so ignorant, I bet you don't even know where your taxes go. You all watch entirely too much much Rush Limbaugh.
01:26 PM on 02/06/2012
Yeah, and you did nothing to deserve being born in the greatest country in the world. You were blessed. And in return, you spew greed and hatred. You don't pay their bills; immigrants, even illegals, have been proven time and again to be a financial benefit to their communities. They pay taxes, they build businesses, etc., just like our noble ancestors did. The idea that illegal immigrants get all kinds of government benefits is just flat out false. You're not paying for anyone, buddy, but you do get the benefit of the labor of the undocumented every time you buy a head of lettuce that doesn't cost $12.
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AMERICABLESSGOD
It's the least we can do
08:44 AM on 01/29/2012
All four of my grandparents immigrated to the U.S. LEGALLY. They came to Ellis Island and were thoroughly background checked, quarantined for diseases, and finally, only because they had family members who were citizens, we're allowed to stay with those family members sponsoring them and taking financial responsibility for them.

They had to take a class in U.S. history, the Constitution, and learn English. We've sure come a long way, haven't we?
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thecoffeeparty
Wake up.
01:34 PM on 01/29/2012
So did mine. But wow. Thank you for being on your high horse.
12:09 PM on 01/31/2012
[They came to Ellis Island and were thoroughly background checked, ]

What kind of thorough backgound checks were done in the early 1900s for those folks coming through Ellis Island?

Today, those background checks and medicals are done before an immigrant visa is issued, not after the prospective immigrant has arrived in the US.