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Pastor Jose Carmo Jr. Killed In Fatal I-75 Pileup Near Gainesville After Florida Religious Conference (VIDEO)

MIKE SCHNEIDER   01/31/12 08:54 PM ET  AP

ORLANDO, Fla. — Whether it's a dust storm in Arizona, a whiteout in Maine or wildfire in Florida, the call to shut down a major highway usually rests with local officials, who in some cases have little, if any, written guidelines to follow.

In many cases, officials rely on what officers at the scene are seeing – or what they can't see – when they make the decision. In Florida, a foggy, smoke-filled stretch of Interstate 75 in Gainesville was closed in both directions for three hours early Sunday. Shortly after troopers decided to reopen the highway, cars slammed into tractor-trailers on both sides of the interstate in two pileups that killed 10 people.

Florida officials said they were willing to review their protocols, but the Highway Patrol was also quick to put the safety onus on drivers, saying conditions can change in an instant and motorists must be prepared to quickly make good decisions.

Federal transportation agencies have never issued guidelines on when to close roads due to fog, fires and dust storms. National groups representing insurance companies, the Federal Highway Administration, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board all said they had not heard of such a policy. The NTSB is investigating the Gainesville crash.

Florida is vulnerable to smoky roads since it has one of the nation's most active prescribed fire programs. It has a 16-item checklist for "smoke/fog incidents" that is part of a larger 28-page policy manual for Florida Highway Patrol shift commanders.

Closing a road, which can be costly for tractor-trailers shipping goods, is decided by a supervisor who consults with troopers at the scene, although any patrolman can make the call if there is imminent danger, said Capt. Mark Brown, chief of the patrol's media relations. In the I-75 pileup, a district lieutenant based in Gainesville who was the supervisor at the scene made the decision. A day earlier, a different spokesman said a sergeant and lieutenant determined after about three hours that conditions had cleared enough for drivers.

"We rely on the members on the ground, and their physical presence, people who are actually there – their feedback. The person that can actually see what is going on," Brown said.

Troopers also use information and forecasts from the National Weather Service. One key piece of information is an index estimating the humidity and smoke dispersion on a scale of 1 to 10. If the score is 7 or higher, the road should be closed.

The index score for early Sunday had been forecast to be 6 in a four-county region that includes the crash area, according to the National Weather Service.

The Low Visibility Occurrence Risk Index was introduced to troopers around the state following a deadly crash in 2008 on Interstate 4 between Orlando and Tampa, about 125 miles south of Sunday's pileup. Four people were killed and 38 injured in that crash, which was caused by heavy smoke and fog.

"The index was added to get a more scientific approach to decision-making than what was used before," said Sgt. Steve Gaskins, a Florida Highway Patrol spokesman based in the Tampa area.

More than anything, troopers rely on the conditions they are seeing.

"If I'm a road sergeant and I go to the scene and can't see anything, I call up and I say, `Hey, we're closing the road,'" Gaskins said.

In Maine, the nation's most heavily wooded state, the decision is left up to the trooper on scene.

"Every situation is going to be different," said Duane Brunelle, a safety specialist at the Maine Department of Transportation.

In Georgia, Department of Transportation engineers work with Georgia State Patrol officers. Their protocol treats smoke more seriously than fog.

"Fog is often so widespread that it would be logistically impossible to address," according to the state's road visibility policy. It added: "However, an isolated patch of fog with sufficient density to hamper visibility ... should be treated the same as smoke."

The Arizona Department of Transportation is testing out a new dust warning system that takes field readings on weather conditions, humidity and wind speed. The goal is to detect potential dust storms a few days before they hit and begin posting warnings on signs.

Investigators on Tuesday released the names of the seventh and eighth people who died in the crashes as they worked to identify two other bodies that were so badly burned that dental records and vehicle identification numbers may have to be used to get positive IDs: a 22-year-old man, Vontavia Robinson, of Williston; and Christie Nguyen, a 27-year-old college student from Gainesville.

Nguyen, a dance troupe member, was a passenger in a car that crashed on northbound I-75. A former teacher, Gwen Keith, described her as creative, bubbly and smart.

"She was very vivacious," Keith said. "She was very artistic."

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Online:

http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/Manuals/1714.pdf

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Associated Press writers Curt Anderson in Miami; Mark Carlson in Phoenix, Greg Bluestein in Atlanta and David Sharp in Portland, Maine, contributed to this report.

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Hillbilly49
Don't tell me you are a Christian; let me guess.
10:54 AM on 02/03/2012
What is the point of this article in the religion section?  It would fit better in a transportation section.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
09:55 AM on 02/03/2012
I feel sorry for his two children being dragged to that conference.
08:15 PM on 02/04/2012
Really? Me, I feel sorry they were killed in the car crash.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
03:47 PM on 02/06/2012
Really? If they were not dragged to the conference there would be no accident. but you knew that.
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dbrett480
07:35 PM on 02/02/2012
This isn't the fault of the highway patrol. Conditions can change very quickly and drivers still need to be responsible for maintaining a safe speed. It's called personal responsibility, and blaming the police for this accident is ridiculous.
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curiousdwk
Global Citizen. Not Democratic, not Republican, n
08:20 PM on 02/01/2012
Excuse me. What does this title have to do with the article? Doesn't Huffington Post have editors that act like editors? Or is everyone an intern and trying to write catchy titles that have nothing to do with the article?
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Djay0252
American First, Second, and ALWAYS
10:58 AM on 02/01/2012
When a speed limit is posted it means you may drive that speed under IDEAL conditions. Many people ignore that and pay the price or cause others to pay it.
10:00 AM on 02/01/2012
there was a study done a while back that proved that people lose track of speed when conditions deteriorate. a body may be doing the speed limit when they hit rain, yet while concentrating on seeing ahead they tend to speed up. pulling over isn't an option for many since someone coming in from behind will often stray into the emergency lane and smack you from the back. years ago I was caught in a mix of smoke and fog while driving a motor home. I was doing around 50 withlight patchy fog and visibility of 1/4 mile. suddenly it was like someone threw a wet blanket over the windshield. I hit the brakes and found some fool without lights had just pulled from the side of the road in front of me and I hit them doing around 40. after pulIing off of the road to wait on a trooper there was a semi that came past us doing around 70 and we couldn't see him until he was about 20 feet away. found later that in the 20 mile stretch of road affected there were 72 accidents with one fatal.
09:29 AM on 02/01/2012
yeah, the original link to the story said "family killed in pileup" yet no mention at all of them, just the last two victims. it isn't until the comment section that we find that one of the daughters is alive. smoke/fog isn't anything to play with when it comes to people's lives and many times a burn is scheduled no matter which way the wind is blowing. so it seems someone really screwed up with this one. God bless the survivors.
08:29 AM on 02/01/2012
A few yrs back, I called 911 regarding smoke obscuring a highway and the dispatcher scolded me for reporting a non-event.
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Joe Hennes
There is no topic that cannot be discussed calmly
09:56 AM on 02/01/2012
Correctly, calling on a non-emergency line would have been the correct thing to do.
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msfaye
05:53 AM on 02/01/2012
this article didn't even mention the people the article was suppose to be about. another story i read for nothing.
05:46 AM on 02/01/2012
"Closing a road,which would be costly for a tractor-trailer hauling goods..." Most of the goods on tractor trailers should be on a train anyway..........less costly .......less diesel fuel.........less deaths
08:26 AM on 02/01/2012
Or a pipeline.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
09:40 AM on 02/03/2012
No wonder the 911 operator scolded you.
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Wanda Diaz
WJD
05:13 AM on 02/01/2012
I have driven in Florida on I-95 in the same conditions because no one closes the road or highways and you feel that it is safe to drive under heavy fog or smoke. God bless the Carmo family, RIP.
05:09 AM on 02/01/2012
Whoever made that decision to open that highway made a fatal error that caused 10 people to die. They must be held accountable.
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Joe Hennes
There is no topic that cannot be discussed calmly
08:26 AM on 02/01/2012
Heaven forbid we hold the drivers accountable for driving when they knew they COULDN'T SEE.
10:24 AM on 02/01/2012
The problem is that hours before this crash occurred, the Troopers had determined this highway to be dangerous. People traveling would have no way of knowing that in the distance there would be patches where visibility was going to be zero. And once there what can you do? It's not safe to stop in the middle of the road. If you can't see then you are unable to determine where to exit and what's the likely hood that others would be able to see you there and not hit you?? The poor judgment was who ever made the call to re-open the road.
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unimatrix0
11:24 AM on 02/01/2012
If the police/troopers think the conditions are visible, then they should have no problem sending a motor cycle officer down the shoulder of the closed section to verify what they assume at both ends.
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wakohnen
God's Peace, Pricele$$
05:04 AM on 02/01/2012
There needs to be a new chapter introduced to drivers education and the actual written drivers test entitled "Common Sense" Some of the questions should include:

Is it good practice to answer your cell phone while driving?

Is it good practice to text on your cell phone while driving?

Is it good practice to apply makeup while driving?

Is it good practice to shave while driving?

When smoke/fog decreases visability, should you slow down or speed up?

Is it good practice to read the newspaper while driving?

Is it good practice to watch TV while driving?

Do traffic laws apply to you or just everyone else?

I am sure one could add many more suggestions to these. It is a wonder that some folks are even licensed.

RIP to all of the victims and condolences to all of the families affected.
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lsg0013
Putting mayo on Eddie Haskell's sandwich
05:17 AM on 02/01/2012
Agree with all your suggestions, wakohnen. An addition of mine would be: Should you drive while trying to shove a giant hamburger or hoagie sandwich into your mouth?

I'm sure we're all guilty of one or the other at sometime in our life and it's good to be reminded of what's safe every once in a while.
09:53 AM on 02/01/2012
Oh, the crazy thinks you see on the road. I was going to work one morning and the lady in the car ahead had her interior light on as she brushed her hair using both hands while stearing with her knees. At 55 MPH.
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n ferra
Live and learn, or what's the point of life?
04:41 AM on 02/01/2012
I've said it in the last article and I'll say it again in this one: if there was fog that dense the highway should have remained closed. With the fire causing smoke to mingle with the fog, the highway really should have remained closed. I realize there are bad drivers, but for cops to open the highway then point the finger at them, knowing people routinely drive over the speed limit in ANY weather condition is more than frequent, is bad decision making and more than idiotic on whomever made the call to open it.
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Joe Hennes
There is no topic that cannot be discussed calmly
08:30 AM on 02/01/2012
The troopers were not on the scene and did not know the exact conditions. The people driving *knew* they couldn't see and *drove anyway*. The fact that the road is open does not mean you have to drive on it, and driving conditions can change in moments. By your logic all roads should be closed all the time because someone will *always* be driving in a stupid/unsfafe manner.
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onlyinvegas
trying to tolerate ignorance
09:47 AM on 02/03/2012
thank joe, finally some common sense. and for all of you who do not want to take responsibility for you poor driving decision your exit from life is coming soon.
04:29 AM on 02/01/2012
May be it's like that show 'Supernatural'. A rogue Angel decides to make himself 'The New God'. So he opens a portal to purgatory ingesting a million souls. He then goes around killing pastors, saying they're full of BS. He says; "I am not both sexes." LOL!