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'Fast And Furious': Justice Department, House GOP Tangle Over Access To Documents

Fast And Furious Eric Holder Darrell Issa

PETE YOST   02/ 2/12 06:31 PM ET  AP

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder clashed with Republicans at a House committee hearing Thursday over demands that the Justice Department turn over more documents about a flawed gun-smuggling investigation.

Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will do what is necessary to force the Justice Department to produce information on its handling of congressional inquiries on Operation Fast and Furious.

The attorney general said he will consider Issa's demand. But he said the department, with one exception, was inclined to follow a longstanding tradition of withholding internal documents about how to respond to congressional inquiries in order to preserve the ability to get candid advice from top officials.

"I think you're hiding behind something here," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told Holder. "You ought to give us the documents. ... It appears we're being stonewalled."

Issa has threatened to seek a contempt of Congress ruling against Holder for failing to provide the material. The lawmaker alleges the Justice Department is engaging in a cover-up.

"This has become political, that's fine," Holder said at the hearing, but there is no attempt "at a cover-up." The Justice Department, Holder insisted, "will continue to share huge amounts of information" about Fast and Furious itself.

The department says a Feb. 9 deadline set by Issa is too soon to process "the broad scope of the committee's requests." Some 6,000 documents have been produced, but Republicans are seeking many more.

At his daily briefing, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Holder has cooperated with Congress and "the politicization of this is pretty apparent." He said President Barack Obama thinks Holder is doing an excellent job and won't agree to calls by some GOP members for Holder's ouster.

Though neither side said so, negotiations are almost certain to be the next step.

Before the hearing started, Issa introduced Holder to federal agent John Dodson, a whistleblower in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who told Congress a year ago about the use of a tactic known as gun-walking in the Phoenix-based Fast and Furious investigation.

This tactic allows suspected "straw" buyers of weapons to walk away from gun stores with their purchases, rather than arresting them there. Instead, agents tried to track the low-level buyers and the guns to smuggling ringleaders and financiers, including Mexican drug cartel leaders, who have long eluded prosecution for their role in the flow of guns into Mexico. Straw buyers are those who discreetly purchase guns on behalf of someone else.

ATF's Phoenix division has tried this tactic, with minor variations, in at least four investigations beginning in 2006 during the George W. Bush administration. It began three such probes under Bush before launching Fast and Furious in the Obama administration. All of the probes encountered problems.

In Fast and Furious, agents lost track of nearly 1,400 of the more than 2,000 guns purchased by suspected straw buyers. Some 700 guns connected to suspects in the operation have been recovered in Mexico and the U.S., some at crime scenes, including the one near Nogales, Ariz., where border agent Brian Terry was murdered in December 2010.

A month after Terry's death, Congress began hearing of problems with the probe. Under pressure from lawmakers, Holder has shaken up the leadership of ATF, and the Justice Department's inspector general also is investigating the operation.

After multiple congressional hearings, including six appearances by Holder, Republicans were still voicing outrage Thursday.

Guns that walked in Fast and Furious are going to show up in Arizona "from here to whenever," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz. "We should be sharing information."

Are "you ... capable of running the top law enforcement agency in the country?" asked Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas.

In a finger-pointing response, Holder told Farenthold that critics should look at "everything I've done," including restoring the traditions of a Justice Department that had been "turned on its head" and "politicized" before Holder became attorney general in the Obama administration.

Democrats, while expressing concern about Fast and Furious, defended Holder.

"I don't see anything here today" that would warrant Holder's resignation, said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio. Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., called the hearing "a show trial."

"This was a bottom up operation" and the attorney general did not know its details, the committee's ranking Democrat, Elijah Cummings, said after the hearing.

The dispute over Fast and Furious was exacerbated by a Feb. 4, 2011 letter to Congress in which the Justice Department said federal agents made every effort to intercept illegally purchased weapons. But in reality, agents in Fast and Furious employed the gun-walking strategy that passed up an early opportunity for arrest in the hope of making a bigger case later against ringleaders. In an exception to the policy of withholding documents about how to respond to inquiries from Congress, Holder agreed to supply memos that explain how this error was made.

A Republican staff memo created for the hearing questioned why federal agents allowed the probe to go on for over a year.

Intercepts from a Drug Enforcement Administration wiretap on one of the straw buyer suspects provided probable cause for federal agents to make arrests, or at the very least supplied the basis to seize the weapons, the Republican staff memo said. The memo said ATF did not act on this information.

Democrats on the committee pointed out that agents in the case testified that stronger U.S. laws are needed against straw buyers, because cases get thrown out of court, or prison sentences are too short to persuade the low-level buyers to turn on their bosses.

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Fictional reality
Nothing ever happens and you wonder why?
08:39 AM on 02/04/2012
Obama and Hillary were blaming the U.S. citizens for guns going over the border. Well, who would have thought the inside info was the gov supplying the guns. How come Mexico isn't angry about the peace prize winner arming the Cartels?
10:21 PM on 02/03/2012
10 months, 22 witnesses and NO evidence against Holder.
You're looking pretty damn stupid, Issa.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
05:33 PM on 02/07/2012
It has already been shown that Holder knew of the operation far earlier than he originally admitted. Now, that was either a memory error, or he lied. Do you KNOW which it is?? If so, how?
Semper fi
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
11:19 PM on 02/02/2012
JimInHouston on Feb 2, 2012 at 21:55:56
“http://www­.wired.com­/dangerroo­m/2010/10/­wikileaks-­show-wmd-h­unt-contin­ued-in-ira­q-with-sur­prising-re­sults/
Not up to speed, are you.”
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Decayed and non-functioning and buried vials that even Baghdad didn't know they had, but Bush knew? That's quite a stretch, even by a TeaBagger.
That like saying if one of our soldiers stepped on a Russian mine left over from there war proves that Russia is at war with us. or how about a Japanese mine from WWII floating in the Pacific hits a ship, do we invade? Bush knew they didn't have any WMDs, he premeditated the killing of over 4,500 american children so a few of his frinds could pocket billions.
Don't you feel dirty defending him?
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
12:37 PM on 02/03/2012
Those "vials" were fully functional artillery shells or bombs and were used against our soldiers and civilians...fool.

This, of course, is not surprising to someone aware of history, who knows that Hussein used huge amounts of chemical weapons against Iran as well as his own people. WMD's were all over the place in Iraq.

And no, I don't feel dirty defending that particular aspect of Bush's policy...I just feel dirty from wrestling with a pig.
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
04:34 PM on 02/03/2012
LOLOLOL.........They weren't functional, lie #1......They weren't used against our american soldiers, lie #2......30 years ago he used chemical weapons.......80 years ago we did.

Bush killed over 4,500 american children, lied to every American about WMDs and made billions off the corpses of those American children and you don't feel dirty.

Stop wrestling with your mirror image.
Views from the Middle
Politicians seem to only listen to the extremes
09:51 PM on 02/02/2012
Is this the same Darrell Issa who was arrested in 1972 for carrying a concealed semi-automatic weapon? And arrested again in 1979 for insurance fraud? Both of these crimes he committed while in the military. Then, in 1982 suspected of arson? Is it THAT Darrell Issa?

Maybe he's so suspicious of criminal behavior because he has personal acquaintance with it.
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
08:56 PM on 02/02/2012
JudMiller on Feb 2, 2012 at 17:49:02
“Did you miss the part where every Dem wanted to go Iraq? Did you miss the vote for Iraq?
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Judi every American was in favor of going in and blowing up Iraq because the President of the United States Of America told us that Iraq had WMDs......................Then we found out he lied to us. Then he committed treason by outing a covert CIA agent, one of our own, but at that point what did he care he was getting billions for his friends and all it cost was over 4,500 American children.
What part did you miss Judi? Didn't you have any children to give to the cause of Halliburton?
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Phyllis Kunz
09:33 PM on 02/02/2012
WMDs were probably moved later to Syria for safekeeping by Saddam. The question is were they inspected' by the guards?
If not, that's why the WMDS were not found.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
05:36 PM on 02/07/2012
Actually, our media presented oral testimony from the inspection teams, that convoys and single trucks were leaving the back door of sites they wished to inspect, while they were delayed at the front door.
Further, the media showed video of convoys of trucks being moved to Syria and Russia, by Russian troops. What was in them? I prefer to think the worst, instead of the best!!
Semper fi
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
05:37 PM on 02/07/2012
He'll never believe it, even though I'd bet he's a terrific fan of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, and Bradley Manning!!
Semper fi
08:55 PM on 02/02/2012
'""This has become political, that's fine," Holder said at the hearing, but there is no attempt "at a cover-up." The Justice Department, Holder insisted, "will continue to share huge amounts of information" about Fast and Furious itself."

For anyone to think that holder should resign is plain crazy. HOLDER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN HIS FUTURE CONFIRMATION HEARING FOR THE SUPREME COURT!!! The plan to sabotage that in advance is not going to work!
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08:13 PM on 02/02/2012
There was no cover up, but we're not going to give you the documents that might prove that.

Yeah, right...
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
08:58 PM on 02/02/2012
Issa, the arsonist, would still claim a coverup even if they handed over everything. It's election year, the Republicans have done nothing so they are making up a scandal to deflect from themselves their uselessness to Americans
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09:33 PM on 02/02/2012
This is no made up scandal, it's gotten hundreds killed in Mexico as well as a federal agent.

I may not have much use for Issa, but HE DOES NOT PRESIDE OVER ATF, Holder does.
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
07:53 PM on 02/02/2012
JudMiller on Feb 2, 2012 at 17:45:46
“So you don't care about the hundreds killed in Mexico because Holder allowed the guns to "walk" there?”
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The amount of guns is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of guns the self called defenders of the 2nd amendment in Arizona smuggle into Mexico each year. Not to mention the amount of guns they sell to criminals at huge profits because they don't do background checks or keep records
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:46 PM on 02/02/2012
"compared to the amount of guns the self called defenders of the 2nd amendment in Arizona smuggle into Mexico each year"

Liar!
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David Carson
02:48 PM on 02/03/2012
how about an unimportant item called PROOF?
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AlfredE69
Liberty Lovin' Tree Hugger
07:42 PM on 02/02/2012
Who's advising AG Holder, Dick Cheney?
07:41 PM on 02/02/2012
When a Democrat says it's too early to make a decision that means that "You will have to wait till after the November elections".
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OLJW00
right is right
07:40 PM on 02/02/2012
Ruh Roh Raggy....it get EVEN worse now.

A U.S. Justice Department source has told The Daily Caller that at least two DOJ prosecutors accepted cash bribes from allegedly corrupt finance executives who were indicted under court seal within the past 13 months, but never arrested or prosecuted.

This means DOJ lawyers, criminal prosecutors, are accused of accepting cash from the people they were investigating. But it gets worse. Eric Holder knows about it and is doing nothing:

The bribed officials, an attorney with knowledge of the investigation told TheDC, remain on the taxpayers’ payroll at the Justice Department without any accountability. The DOJ source said Holder does not want to admit public officials accepted bribes while under his leadership.

The mere fact this clod still has a job is beyond me. And even people on the left should be calling for him to be fired.
mm3264
Volunteer Of America, Occupy Wall St
08:01 PM on 02/02/2012
The Daily Caller????............................thats your source??? .....LOLOLOLOLOL...Why didn't you just say the Propaganda Web Site of the Republican Party?....LOLOLOL.....I'll bet the source is anonymous (let's be honest) I'll bet the source is made up.

2 DOJ Prosecutors, 1 source, a few corrupt finace executives, and yet no names, now that's an investigated marvel........................................Embarrassing
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OLJW00
right is right
10:28 PM on 02/02/2012
Laugh all you like....the facts stand.

The sad part is that WERE this happening while the Presidency was held by a Conservative I would bet you would be up in arms.
08:51 PM on 02/02/2012
Kindly support the accusations with solid evidence. Names of those accused as well as names of those accusing them. There is something in the US Constitution the requires the accusers to face the accused. If you can't provide proof of what you are saying, than it is just a bunch of BS.
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OLJW00
right is right
10:30 PM on 02/02/2012
http://news.yahoo.com/bribery-compromised-officials-leave-indicted-financial-crime-suspects-031612503.html

The story is just breaking...let it breathe a little. I will bet that much more is to come.
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OLJW00
right is right
02:48 PM on 02/04/2012
So let me get this straight...you don't think it's a story worthy of investigation when DOJ investigators are implicated in taking bribes?
mscellanus
U may kiss it!
07:17 PM on 02/02/2012
Hello! Calling all Media. Where is the Media coverage on this???
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OLJW00
right is right
07:41 PM on 02/02/2012
good question
08:52 PM on 02/02/2012
It's been in the mainstream news for months.
mscellanus
U may kiss it!
01:26 PM on 02/04/2012
Not in depth it hasn't! The main Broacast TV channels, which are the one most people watch, have not covered the story in complete details. They just spend a few seconds on the story but do spend over 10 mintues on weather problems and St. Obama
07:07 PM on 02/02/2012
The last Quote in the article gives the reason for Fast and Spurious. Guns went to Mexican cartel hitmen so that more anti gun laws could be imposed on American citizens.
07:06 PM on 02/02/2012
Holder thinks he doesn't have to answer anything he doesn't want to. What an arrogant guy. He thinks he is above all laws, because his buddy is in the whitehouse. If he knew NOTHING about fast and furious maybe it's because he was absent that year, or just is too incompetent to know the serious things going on. Maybe he was spending all his time suing states who are trying to follow the laws. More than likely, but he probably delegate all his duties anyway so he can use the old plausible deniability ploy.
07:02 PM on 02/02/2012
iF HE DID'T FUC& UP THER WOULD BE NO HEARING!!!tHIS IS REALLY UN ACCEPTABLE,THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT STAND UP FOR MORONS!iT ONLY MAKES HIM LOOK STUPID!!!