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No-Fly List Of Suspected Terrorists More Than Doubled In Past Year

EILEEN SULLIVAN 02/ 2/12 04:53 PM ET AP

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A traveler undergoes an enhanced pat down by a Transportation Security Administration agent at the Denver International Airport on November 22, 2010 in Denver, Colorado. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has more than doubled, to about 21,000 names, its secret list of suspected terrorists who are banned from flying to or within the United States, including about 500 Americans, the Associated Press has learned. The government lowered the bar for being added to the list, even as it says it's closer than ever to defeating al-Qaida.

The size of the government's secret no-fly list has jumped from about 10,000 in the past year, according to government figures provided to the AP.

The surge comes as the government says it's close to defeating al-Qaida, after killing many of its senior members. But senior officials said the threat does not stop there.

"As long as we sustain the pressure on it, we judge that core al-Qaida will be of largely symbolic importance to the global jihadist movement," Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told Congress on Thursday. "But regional affiliates and, to a lesser extent, small cells and individuals will drive the global jihad agenda."

Those are the people added to the no-fly list, current and former counterterrorism officials said. Most are from other countries; about 500 are Americans.

"Both U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities and foreign services continue to identify people who want to cause us harm, particularly in the U.S. and particularly as it relates to aviation," Transportation Security Administrator John Pistole said in an interview.

Affiliated terror groups in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Algeria and elsewhere, as well as individuals who ascribe to al-Qaida's beliefs – "All are in the mix," said Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center. "And no one is claiming that they are shrinking."

The flood of new names began after the failed Christmas 2009 bombing of a Detroit-bound jetliner. The government lowered the standard for putting people on the list then scoured its files for anyone who qualified. The government will not disclose who is on its list or why someone might have been placed on it.

Among the most significant new standards is that now a person doesn't have to be considered only a threat to aviation to be placed on the no-fly list. People who are considered a broader threat to domestic or international security or who attended a terror training camp also are included, said a U.S. counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security matters.

The Christmas attack led to other changes in how the U.S. assembles its watch list. Intelligence agencies across the government reviewed old files to find people who should have been on the government's terror watch list all along, plus those who should be added because of the new standards put in place to close security gaps.

The Nigerian man who pleaded guilty in the Christmas 2009 attack over Detroit, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, was listed in a large U.S. intelligence database that includes partial names and relatives of suspected terrorists. That database is a feeder to the broad terror watch list, of which the no-fly list is a component, but only when there is enough information linking the person to terrorism. Officials believe the U.S. had enough information about Abdulmutallab at the time to put him on the broader terror watch list, which would have helped the intelligence community catch him.

After the Christmas attack, "We learned a lot about the watch-listing process and made strong improvements, which continue to this day," said Timothy Healy, director of the Terrorist Screening Center, which produces the no-fly list.

As agencies complete the reviews of their files, the pace of growth is expected to slow, the counterterrorism official said.

The American Civil Liberties Union has sued the government on behalf of Americans who believe they're on the no-fly list and have not been able to travel by air for work or to see family.

"The news that the list is growing tells us that more people's rights are being violated," said Nusrat Choudhury, a staff attorney working for the ACLU's national security project. "It's a secret list, and the government puts people on it without any explanation. Citizens have been stranded abroad."

The government will not tell people whether they're on the list or why they're on it, making it impossible for people to defend themselves, Choudhury said. People who complain that they're unfairly on the no-fly list can submit a letter to the Homeland Security Department, but the only way they'll know if they're still on the list is to try to fly again, she said.

While the list is secret, it is subject to continuous review to ensure that the right people are on it and that the ones who shouldn't be on it are removed, said Martin Reardon, former chief of the Terrorist Screening Operations center and now a vice president with the Soufan Group. If a person is nominated to be on the no-fly list, but there is insufficient information to justify it, the Terrorist Screening Center downgrades the person to a different list, he said.

"You can't just say: `Here's a name. Put him on the list.' You've got to have articulable facts," Reardon said.

On average, there are 1,000 changes to the government's watch lists each day, most of which involve adding new information about someone on the list.

The no-fly list has swelled to 20,000 people before, such as in 2004. At the time, people like the late Sen. Ted Kennedy were getting stopped before flying – causing constant angst and aggravation for innocent travelers. But much has changed since then.

While thousands more people are on the list, instances of travelers being mistaken for terrorists are down significantly since the government – not the airlines – became responsible for checking the list, Pistole said. Travelers must now provide their full name, birthdate and gender when purchasing an airline ticket so the government can screen them against the terror watch list.

But with the nature of the terrorism threat, it's not likely that the list will dwindle, even as al-Qaida's core leadership is defeated, Reardon said.

"I would argue that even if (al-Qaida) as we know it ceased to exist as of tomorrow, other terrorist organizations or lone wolves with both the intent and capability of carrying out attacks against the U.S. would fill the void," Reardon said. "The consolidated terrorist watch list exists for that very reason."

Once they are identified and placed on the list, he said, "We have a much greater chance of keeping them from entering the country."

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Marcospinelli 06:24 AM on 02/02/2012
Right after 9/11, when the Patriot Act and the Department Of Homeland Security and all kinds of other legislation was enacted seemingly to protect us by violating our Constitutional rights and privacy, I wrote about how it was easy to keep Americans safe if you put us in isolation and monitored all of our activities and communications.  

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Jerry Bourbon
05:10 PM on 02/10/2012
This is the list that Bloomburg and his rich 1 percenter friends want to use to deny Americans their constitutional rights to purchase firearms.

No thanks.
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ehjay
Reform, social, political, economic
03:31 PM on 02/10/2012
They state that those that earn a place on the no fly list go through multiple layers of analysis. That cannot be true unless I misunderstand the specifics of the no fly list. Does no fly list mean those names that are automatically denied a flight, or the names of those that must be scrutinized, interviewed, due to similarity to a name on the list, before being allowed to board? Kennedy was not denied a flight, he was scrutinized before being allowed to board. There are many harmless law abiding people with name similarity to a name on the list it seems.
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ehjay
Reform, social, political, economic
03:06 PM on 02/10/2012
The TSA has prosecuted a small number of employees for theft from the luggage they examine. However many still get away with it. Many passengers just accept their loss because the claim process is involved and the outcome uncertain. Those employees that witness theft and don't report it are as guilty as the thief.
02:51 PM on 02/06/2012
As of today something called the Terrorist Security Administration has 84,419 names on its "no fly list" website, which is publicly accessible. How does that comport with your 20,000 super secret names?
And, I agree with the other comments about the behavior of the TSA. The whole atmosphere of security police in perpetuity (When will this ever end?), who violate our persons every time we simply want to go somewhere. This is NOT freedom of travel. We are ALL suspected of being terrorists until proven not--EVERY time we want to get on a plane. The long-term psychology of this is terrible, and if not designed to beat us down, will certainly have that effect. Yeah, this is another thing that Mitt Romney doesn't ever have to experience, nor Obama, for that matter.
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Dave Harpe
Was young, now old.
02:31 PM on 02/03/2012
I would not get on a commercial airplane anyway, not because of Al Qaida, but because of the outrageous practices of the TSA and similar groups. They have had a far greater effect on Americans than terrorists. We now allow government officials to put their hands all over the private parts of our children. That's disgusting and just wrong.
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Dave Harpe
Was young, now old.
02:25 PM on 02/03/2012
They never explained how Ted Kennedy ended up on this list. There are many ways to be on it that are not listed here. Political dissent, or even being a mainstream liberal like Kennedy can do it.
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ehjay
Reform, social, political, economic
03:14 PM on 02/10/2012
Ted Kennedy was put on as an act of mischief I would guess. That is how many get on the list and the TSA doesn't do anything to prevent it I suppose. The TSA doesn't require an interview with the party that submits a name. Therefore probably half the list is invalid. Their ability to manage and purge this list will become more difficult over time and simply cause people to avoid certain airports.
12:12 AM on 02/03/2012
Hey gang...I'm part of the ACLU lawsuit.

Just to give you some insight into my case I want to let you know that I am a Muslim American, United States Marine Corps Veteran. Back in April of 2010 I found out that I was on the governments NO FLY LIST. I was told by the FBI that they would get me off the list, if I agreed to become an undercover informant for them. I refused and am now suing them in federal court. I am being represented by the ACLU along with some other plaintiffs in a very similar situation. I have been interviewed by ABC, NBC, PBS Newshour and even Al Jazeera.

I have also written a book called "NO SPY NO FLY" explaining in fine detail just how invasive the FBI has been in trying to blackmail me into becoming an informant. Just look my name up with the title of the book if you want to find out more. Yahoo won't let me post links or emails.

Thanks for reading.
pcs5141
cut the crap
10:36 PM on 02/02/2012
The number of agencys listed above is a good example of our bloated gov.
10:32 PM on 02/02/2012
Just another bureaucracy whose only purpose is to preserve, protect, and procreate itself.
09:29 PM on 02/02/2012
I am on the "no fly list" or someone with my name is.
NW (now Delta) told me this a few years ago. I'm on the list even tho I was a Premier Executive Mileage Plus FF on United (+50,000 miles a year)
I checked in at the NW ticket counter, passed all TSA security, and was only stopped at the gate by a NW agent who showed me on his computer screen I was on the list. He placed a simple period placed between my first and last name and it magicaly allowed me to board the plane. Imagine...a simple period defeated all the TSA security and circumvented the no-fly-list and allowed me, (who should not have been detained) to board. How's your faith in the TSA and no fly list now?
07:15 AM on 02/03/2012
No faith at all in secret lists. Our govt was designed to be an open representative type. Once our masters can punish or restrict our freedom without question, due process, or recourse, then we have entered into a tyrannical dictatorship. This will only get worse if we don't elect a constitutionalist president like Ron Paul.
08:12 PM on 02/02/2012
Doubled in the last year !!! I hope that many (enough) people DON"T vote for Obama this year, Yes vote for dems but not Obama ....... He has turned out worse than bush, But his vote (and push) for MDAA should be enough for clear thinkers to find another President, if no? add this gem to a long list a reasons NOT to vote for Obama.
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wattnot
I'm a Lumberjack and He's OK.
08:06 PM on 02/02/2012
Anybody make a connection between firings at airlines and no-fly orders?

Add enough people to the no-fly list and the airlines won't be needed at all.

Then everyone will be safe, unless they come in a car, or on foot.
07:22 AM on 02/03/2012
Tsa viper teams are now searching cars on highways in tn. The pattern of expansive abuse of power is the same as Germany in the last century. They take some rights and freedom away from some people in the name of security. If the masses go along, then they take more. Eventually, they take it all once the people have lost the ability or will to question or appeal their actions. The lists should not be secret. You should have a process to appeal and defend yourself.
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wattnot
I'm a Lumberjack and He's OK.
01:01 AM on 02/04/2012
Everyone should read Clive James' "Cultural Amnesia"- and if there are too many long words- just read the essay on Sophie Scholl-- The future of Republican America writ large.
07:33 PM on 02/02/2012
Why am I not on the list?

I was a person of interest by the F*I, in that they cam e to my home and interviewed me for over an hour because my name and address were with the effects of another person of interest. I am totally blameless of anything, and had no recollection of the guy, but apparently I was in physical proximity to people caught burning down a building because I shared the same building while they may have been there or stole materials from it to make a bomb.

I fly all the time.
06:39 PM on 02/02/2012
No doubt the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy will soon be added to that list.
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05:50 PM on 02/02/2012
Security expert Bruce Schneier has been quite outspoken about problems with TSA's policies and procedures, arguing (along with the Cato Institute) that the department should be abolished:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/01/abolish_the_dep.html

... and when he talks, people do listen, sometimes including TSA top-brass:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/telepathic-takeover-tsa/

Providing adequate security for our homeland is an important responsibility that every one of us shares equally... as citizens and even as visitors. We were the subjects of WW2 posters including both "Because Somebody Talked!" and "NO Landings Are Authorized On This Beach!"

I think that, especially(!) in this vital matter, we have to be the skeptics, the gadflies, the devil's advocates. We should be, for example, questioning the entire idea of a "no-fly list ... of Names." (Let's face it: identification cards can be faked, and, yeah, they can be made to fluoresce under the agent's little ultraviolet pen.) Are we putting too much emphasis on just the idea that someone's going to try to smuggle something on his person or in his carry-on? Are we putting blinders on here, and wasting gobs of money?

We have to ask these questions of TSA and DHS, =yes= in the name of security, their very raison d'entre. This is everyone's concern, equally.
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05:57 PM on 02/02/2012
Postscript to the previous comment:

You know "the nail principle." (If you're a hammer, then everything... etc.)

Also the term, "snake oil."

It's extremely easy, if you focus on just one idea all day long and especially if you perceive that that's your job and that it's an important job (which it IS ...), to put a pair of blinders right on your own eyes. You build a stupendous box, sit right there inside of it, and never look or think or even imagine beyond it.

Trouble is, your opponent doesn't think that way. He's not terribly impressed by your technology, nor is he necessarily dissuaded by it.

And then, the nail principle again: if there are really TWENTY-ONE THOUSAND PEOPLE out there who are so dangerous that they must be utterly forbidden to set foot on an airplane ... why haven't they been arrested already? How recently has this list been vetted, and by whom?

I have a lot of respect for those people at TSA, and I am patient with them, but I worry about the all-things-considered wisdom of their "corporate" strategy, and even with the concept of DHS itself. And this concern is so extremely important, so vital, that we HAVE TO get it Right. No stone unturned, no assumption or policy unquestioned.
10:37 PM on 02/02/2012
Excellent post. But how do we get around a mindless bureaucracy that is only interested in preserving, protecting, procreating, and expanding itself?