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Women On The Front Lines: Pentagon Recommends Allowing Women To Serve At Battalion Level

By LOLITA C. BALDOR 02/ 8/12 11:10 PM ET AP

Women On The Front Lines

WASHINGTON — For the past decade women in the U.S. military have served, fought and died on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan.

On Thursday, Pentagon rules will catch up a bit with reality, recommending to Congress that women be allowed to serve in more jobs closer to the front lines.

According to defense officials, the new rules are expected to continue the long-held prohibition that prevents women from serving as infantry, armor and special operations forces. But they will formally allow women to serve in other jobs at the battalion level, which until now had been considered too close to combat.

In reality, however, the necessity of war has already propelled women to the front lines – often as medics, military police or intelligence officers. So, while they couldn't be assigned as an infantryman in a battalion or company going out on patrol, they could fly the helicopter supporting the unit, or move in to provide medical aid if troops were injured.

The officials said the new rules will change that, and formally allow women to be assigned to a battalion and serve in jobs such as medics, intelligence, police or communications officers. The changes would have the greatest effect on the Army and Marine Corps, which ban women from more jobs than the Navy and Air Force do – largely because of the infantry positions.

Defense officials spoke about the report on condition of anonymity because it had not yet been publicly released.

There long has been opposition to putting women in combat, questioning whether they have the necessary strength and stamina, or whether their presence might hurt unit cohesion. There also have been suggestions that the American public would not tolerate large numbers of women coming home from war in body bags.

But the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, where battlefield lines are scattered and blurred and insurgents can be around every corner, have made it almost impossible to keep women clear of combat. Thousands have served in the two wars, and more than 150 have been killed.

Retired Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, speaking from his home in Virginia, said he doesn't see how the new policy helps the national security of the country.

"This does not dismiss the sexual tension issues, nor does it dismiss the differences physiologically between men and women in terms of cardiovascular fitness," Maginnis said.

The Service Women's Action Network said its response was mixed.

"On the plus side, this is a huge step in the right direction," said Anu Bhagwati, former Marine Corps captain and executive director of the network. However she said it was "extremely disappointing" that the ban would continue on women becoming infantry.

"To continue such a ban is to ignore the talents and leadership that women bring to the military and it further penalizes servicewomen by denying them the opportunity for future promotions and assignments that are primarily given to personnel from combat arms specialties."

"It's time military leadership establish the same level playing field to qualified women to enter the infantry, Special Forces and other all-male units," she said.

The Pentagon report, which initially was due out last spring, comes nearly a year after an independent panel called for the military to lift its ban on women in combat. The Military Leadership Diversity Commission said the Pentagon should phase in additional career fields and units that women could be assigned to as long as they are qualified.

A 1994 combat exclusion policy bans women from being assigned to ground combat units below the brigade level. A brigade is roughly 3,500 troops, and is made up of battalions, which can be about 800 soldiers.

So while a woman serving as a communications or intelligence officer can be formally assigned to a brigade, she can't be assigned to the smaller battalion. The military has gotten around those rules by "attaching" women in those jobs to battalions, which meant they could do the work, but not get the credit for being in combat arms.

And since service in combat gives troops an advantage for promotions and job opportunities, it has been more difficult for women to move to the higher ranks.

While the new rules won't open up the Navy SEALS or the Army Delta Force to women, some defense officials have said the military may eventually be open to that also. Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates told North Carolina ROTC students in 2010 that at some point there would be careful steps in that direction.

Already, however, women are serving with special operations forces in support jobs such as intelligence analysts, legal specialists, builders and administration assistants.

And in a new program gaining popularity in Afghanistan, women are serving on so-called cultural support teams that go out with commando units. The women on the teams are used to do things that would be awkward or impossible for their male teammates, such as talk to or even frisk burqa-clad women.

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AP Radio Correspondent Mike Gracia contributed to this report.

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03:02 PM on 02/11/2012
When I state women should step to the forefront; I speak of Asian middle eastern, near eastern Asian, indigenous American,African and African American, Latino and Central American and White Caucasian women, Euro and UK.

They aren't needed in combat because war is a waist if human lives and time.
02:49 PM on 02/11/2012
Living better according to whose standard.  Perhaps women should be in the forefront of new inventions.

The market us saturated with what sells, not what is best for humans.

It doesn't matter what gender is homeless, the point is that there is homelessness.  90% is a figure you should find sickening.
02:48 PM on 02/11/2012
Maybe there are advancements that could have been more profound.  But, hey, we will never know until men start sharing the opportunities.

We are so behind because men tend to back into the future rather then walk directly into it.  

There is no need for research.  Men should go ahead and continue doing what they believe is best.   However, it is not enough.  No research is needed.  Just look at the present for answers.    However, they should step to the side and allow another, completely, different means occur for processing results.  
02:37 PM on 02/11/2012
We are so behind because men tend to back into the future rather then walk directly into it.  

There is no need for research.  Men should go ahead and continue doing what they believe is best.   However, it is not enough.  No research is needed.  Just look at the present for answers.    However, they should step to the side and allow another, completely, different means occur for processing results.  

Living better according to whose standard.  Perhaps women should be in the forefront of new inventions.

The market us saturated with what sells, not what is best for humans.

It doesn't matter what gender is homeless, the point is that there is homelessness.  90% is a figure you should find sickening.
02:36 PM on 02/11/2012
craichead2011   February 11, 2012 

-men haven't cured cancer -- but they did invent and develop nearly every single major advancemen t in medicine and medical technology that make our lives so much better today. You should read up on cancer rather than blaming men.

-90% of the unsheltere d homeless are men.
Maybe there are advancements that could have been more profound.  But, hey, we will never know until men start sharing the opportunities.
12:17 PM on 02/11/2012
Serious question here regarding women in combat and differing physical standards:

So if we've decided that the current physical standards for women in the military are good enough for combat, then why not just lower the physical standards for men so that the standard can be the same for everybody?

And if the answer is that that would weaken our military too much and our male soldiers given those standards will not fare well in combat, then following from that one must assume that the idea of women in combat is misogyny since we're asking them to fight unprepared.

Other than that women in the military is fine IMO, though if they're going to serve at all ranks etc they should have to register for the draft just like the young men. Feminist hypocrisy IMO.
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oregonian68
Not paranoid if they really are after you.
10:17 AM on 02/11/2012
I'll say "you've come a long way, baby" when women are forced to sign up for the selective service. But for women it is a "right" to be in combat, but for men a "responsibility." Sexism against men or practical?

The ONLY country who has had women in combat was the Soviet Union during WWII, with mixed results. Great in the air, disastrous on the ground. Women should not be in such close proximity to men on the front lines. The enemy will say "the supply lines close to the front, that is their weakness" and they would be right. Numerous countries have studied, on the ground, the possibility of women in combat and the results: women can't handle it because of the physical limitations.
12:11 PM on 02/11/2012
Out of curiosity, what is the Israeli arrangement with women in the military? I think they're drafted to serve just as the young men, but I'm not sure what their combat role is.
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oregonian68
Not paranoid if they really are after you.
05:27 PM on 02/11/2012
They have no "combat" role.
07:58 PM on 02/10/2012
Men have wars because they think it is a good way to stimulate an economy.  Men think that war brings about peace.  How else has the male  been able to do big business globally, for so many decades.  Because there are enough men around the world that think similarly.  They have been doing the same things century after century.  Guess what, to many people are still starving.  People are still poor.  There is no cure for cancer.  There are still homeless people.  War hasn't fixed the world.  So why would anyone want to specialize in it.
12:13 PM on 02/11/2012
Great post BTW a couple of things:

-men haven't cured cancer -- but they did invent and develop nearly every single major advancement in medicine and medical technology that make our lives so much better today. You should read up on cancer rather than blaming men.

-90% of the unsheltered homeless are men.
07:53 PM on 02/10/2012
Women have so much to offer the world present and future.  Women should teach the children in the home and in the elementary, highshools, and universities.    If women want to  combat something, then take, complete, control of education in America.
07:47 PM on 02/10/2012
Women should also stop being seduced in to thinking that men have given them a place on the "playing field" or combat field.
07:45 PM on 02/10/2012
Although women don't need men to tell them what to do, men already tell women what to do.  

Women should stay out of the business of war.  It is all about male aggression.
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11:05 AM on 02/10/2012
As long as those female soldiers are held to the same standard as the men, I don't have a problem with women serving in combat. But if men and women are going to have two separate physical fitness standards I say no.
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Pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left and Right
09:19 PM on 02/10/2012
Even though i still strongly think women should not be in the special ops and infantrymen i would compromise with that.
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oregonian68
Not paranoid if they really are after you.
10:21 AM on 02/11/2012
Eventually that is what will happen. Technology has helped bring women into many areas of the military, but front lines or supply to front lines will or potentially will require great physical strength.

If liberals demand EQUAL rights, women would have to sign up for selective service. But women don't want that responsibility that goes with equal rights.
06:33 AM on 02/10/2012
Men should be able to complete a job fully as well.  The reality of war is about killing people.  Anyone can kill.  However, not every can kill and walk away with the ability to live a full life, emotionally, psychologically, and physically.  Men have been doing it over and over for decades and, subconsciously, teaching other men how to do the same.  When a person gets on the battle field that concept is turned upside down.  It becomes a matter of survival of the most fit, mentally and physically, and psychologically.  It has been taught.  Woman can do this.  But a women does not have the same tools men have.  That is why society is dominated by men.  When make bonding takes place they teach each other, over and over and over how to get the girl, get the money, get the sex, win the fight.  They don't, necessarily talk. They watch starting at infancy.

However, what kind of society would we have if there are no longer people who could nurture and heal.  Women are intuitive healers.  Women are also taught to develop the intuitive over the analytical side.  If you "kill" that by scaring the psychi then the society becomes stuck.
06:30 AM on 02/10/2012
If war continues to be played like a football game then every parent should do their best to discourage women from going to war at all.  If war becomes more virtual then women would be more suited to a more technologically intellectual war.  It is not fair for men and woman to hold the same rank, pay grade, and billet, if the woman can not fulfill the full  extent of her job.
06:07 AM on 02/10/2012
Does a women's physical frame allow her to march 50miles, carrying heavy gear, then at the fifty mile point engage in physical guerilla warfare.  The whether could be tropical, arid, cold.  WWII was a winter war.  Can she throw a heavy grenade over and over.  Then pick up her piece and continue combat.  Can she handle the G-forces of powerful jets.  When men are captured, they may get rapped.  However, it is more common for a women to get rapped, possibly gang raped.  Is she married with children when suffering such trauma.  What is it like for a women to return from war with an eye missing or a prosthesis on one side of her body.  This society puts a high premium on looking desirable.   

  If she wants to endure the possible danger for her country.  Then allow her.  However, women should know the risk before pushing for access  into areas of combat that most humans would rather not go.
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oregonian68
Not paranoid if they really are after you.
10:24 AM on 02/11/2012
I disagree with you on the G-forces. I have a female friend who IS a fighter pilot.
On all your other points I agree. This "women on the front lines" stuff is feminism gone insane. Liberalism is often not rational is this is an example of it.
I don't think it should be her "choice" to be near or on the front lines when the result is a weaker military or failed mission.