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Donnicia Venters, Woman Fired For Lactation, Judge Says Not Sex Discrimination

By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI   02/ 9/12 07:13 PM ET  AP

HOUSTON -- A federal judge's ruling against a Houston mother who says she was fired after asking for a place to pump breast milk has highlighted a question left unanswered by higher courts: Is firing a woman because she wants to pump at work sexual discrimination?

In his ruling, U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes said it wouldn't be illegal even if Donnicia Venters and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission were correct in assuming that Houston Funding, a debt collection agency, fired her because she'd asked to pump breast milk at work. The judge reasoned that lactation was not pregnancy-related and, as a result, "firing someone because of lactation or breast-pumping is not sex discrimination."

Several other district courts have issued similar statements, but no higher-level appeals court has ruled on the issue, leaving many new mothers in legal limbo, said Carrie Hoffman, a labor lawyer in Dallas. She said President Barack Obama's health care law addresses breast feeding and requires employers to give new mothers a break to nurse, but it doesn't specifically protect women from being fired if they ask to do so.

"The intent was to get nursing mothers back to work but allow them to continue to nurse because of the health benefits associated with nursing," Hoffman said. "But even so, that law doesn't have anything to do with terminating the employee ... it just requires break time. There appears to be a hole."

Either way, the rule – which went into effect in the past year – would not apply to Venters.

Her story began in December 2008, when she took maternity leave and gave birth to her now 3-year-old daughter, Shiloh. She kept in close contact with Houston Funding during her roughly 10-week leave, according to cellphone records obtained by the EEOC and written statements by her former supervisors, said Tim Bowne, a senior trial attorney with the EEOC in Houston who helped litigate the case.

At least twice during her leave, Venters told her direct supervisor, Robert Fleming, she wanted to pump milk while on her break at work and asked him to get permission from their boss, Vice President Harry Cagle.

"He was completely fine about it," she said of Fleming. "I never got an answer back and I didn't think anything of it."

Venters, 30, had worked at the company for almost three years, earned a promotion and figured that at worst Cagle might feel uncomfortable and deny her request.

"I didn't think I would get the boot for it," Venters told The Associated Press. "It didn't really make sense to me."

In a signed affidavit provided to the judge, Fleming said that when he told Cagle that Venters wanted to bring a breast pump to work, Cagle responded with a strong "No. Maybe she needs to stay home longer."

Bowne said Venters told the EEOC that when she told Cagle she wanted to use a breast pump in a back room during breaks at work, his "demeanor changed. He paused for a few seconds and said, `I'm sorry. We've laid you off.'"

The company issued a statement Thursday evening saying it welcomed the court's ruling, denied discriminating against Venters and would comply with new laws protecting women's rights to breast feed in the workplace.

In response to the lawsuit, Houston Funding had argued that Venters was terminated because she failed to keep in good contact with the company and didn't return to work as scheduled. But Fleming said he had spoken to Venters at least weekly during her medical leave, which the EEOC argued was evidence that Houston Funding's excuse for firing Venters – "job abandonment" – was simply a "pretext for unlawful discrimination."

Hughes sided with the company in his ruling last week, but he also wrote: "Even if the company's claim that she was fired for abandonment is meant to hide the real reason – she wanted to pump breast milk – lactation is not pregnancy, childbirth or a related medical condition.

"She gave birth on Dec. 11, 2009. After that day, she was no longer pregnant and her pregnancy-related conditions ended. Firing someone because of lactation or breast-pumping is not sex discrimination," the judge wrote.

But Hoffman and Bowne said the issue won't be definitively determined unless an appeals court takes up the case. The EEOC has not yet decided whether to appeal Hughes' ruling, Bowne said.

"It's quite likely that we'll seek an appeal, but that decision is made in headquarters," Bowne said, noting that decision would probably be made in April.

Current law clearly protects pregnant women from being fired simply because they are having a child, and many of the arguments made regarding lactation have focused on it being a "pregnancy-related condition." Hoffman believes, however, that attorneys seeking to get stronger protection for new mothers should instead focus on sexual discrimination.

"It's certainly sex-based. Men can't lactate," Hoffman said.

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Telegrammar
"They'd pave paradise and put up a parking lot."
01:16 PM on 02/26/2012
"Lactation is not pregnancy-related." Really, Judge? How many women lactate without having first been pregnant? How many men lactate? This ruling is just another attempt to keep women at home raising their children even if the family needs that extra income to get by.
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lnedykstra
Researcher by day, social commentator by night
06:08 PM on 02/16/2012
Ok, did she give birth in 2008 or 2009? There seems to be some conflict in dates.
08:35 AM on 02/15/2012
How is this not sex discrimination? How many men do you see breast feeding. It is a very healthful & loving thing a mom does for her children. It is better to breast feed than feed a kid formula that has God only knows what kind of chemicals in it. That is the trouble with judges, they don't live in the real world. Every woman is supposed to stay home with the child for a year according to them. They have plenty of money so everyone else should too.
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Candi Cj Dubord Jensen
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11:09 AM on 02/13/2012
I'd like to know how lactation is not pregnancy related. Pregnancy-baby-lactate to feed baby
Sure, it's post-pregnancy, but still...

What ignorance on the judge's part. There is so much ignorance and hatefulness towards breastfeeding moms, it really needs to stop. Babies need to eat, period. What they eat, when and where is mom's prerogative.
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Jamie Zupo
my babies ate my brains
02:19 PM on 02/12/2012
We wouldn't have these problems if more fathers would just step up and lactate.
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
05:12 PM on 02/13/2012
If only.  Sure would have been nice to trade off those feedings!
02:35 AM on 02/15/2012
I'm sorry! I tried as much as I can but I just can't squeeze milk out of these useless nipples!
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MarcEdward
likes all cats more than most people
11:37 AM on 02/12/2012
Gee, fired for lactating, only in Texas.
Can we PLEASE give Texas back to Mexico now?
08:38 AM on 02/15/2012
I would agree with you but I live in Texas & I don't want to be part of Mexico.
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Karla Pepmeyer
02:03 AM on 02/11/2012
Why even ask permission? Just take your large purse to the bathroom and do it on your break or do it in your car also on break? I think this is sex discrimination but I would have just done it and not mentioned it at all.
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
08:57 AM on 02/11/2012
Have you ever pumped?  Twice a day, back-and-forth to your car is a lot more hassle.  She asked to use a back room on her breaks.  It wasn't an unreasonable request, and they didn't even just say no.

As for pumping in the bathroom -- addressed multiple times below.  Unsanitary and challenging logistically (assuming you are suggesting sitting in a stall).  Absurd, really.

Forget my first question.  You've never pumped.
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Karla Pepmeyer
01:47 AM on 02/12/2012
Still better than loosing your job or being told no. I do think this is something that should be allowed under the Family Medical Leave Act or something new dealing with pregnancy and post pregnancy leave/health issues. I was not saying that women shouldn't be able to pump, just what I would do in her place.
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MarcEdward
likes all cats more than most people
11:37 AM on 02/12/2012
Here's an idea:
Next time you want to eat lunch, go into a public toilet and eat it there.
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
04:14 PM on 02/12/2012
I think Karla thinks that a pump with a shoulder strap (the "large purse") is magic -- you take it into a stall or car multiple times a day, but like Superman in a phone booth, all that is required is getting in and out.  The milk magically ends up in a sterile container inside the magic bag.  Poof!
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Karla Pepmeyer
09:36 AM on 02/13/2012
You know, I just was offering an option so all of you guys who think I'm not in favor of womens rights to nurse her baby or pump. I just offered an opinion and it was something that one of my sisters did. I didn't say it was great or that every mother should nurse or pump in the bathroom or car. And I have eaten in my car on break, not the bathroom but if I were told that I couldn't take a lunch break you better believe I'd eat a candy bar or something in the bathroom.
01:02 AM on 02/11/2012
B.C. (Before Child), I used to think like a lot of people posting here. Here’s the thing, when you’re breast feeding your child, you CANNOT pump all the milk at home, refrigerate it, freeze it and live happily ever after. It doesn’t work like that.

As an aside, our society (American) sends so many mixed messages about contraceptives, pregnancy, giving birth, caring for a newborn, caring for a baby and a child.
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
08:49 AM on 02/11/2012
I think they think the breasts are just spigots or something.  I certainly didn't understand all about lactation before having a baby either (but I certainly knew more than some people posting here).  Our culture hides all that stuff -- basics of how our bodies work!
03:20 PM on 02/11/2012
Yep and we are the laughing stock of the world in Math and Science! Stories like these just confirm it that people have no freaking clue about basic biology or other sciences.
12:48 AM on 02/11/2012
I’m really really having a hard time believing this story. You have a baby. Your body, Doulas, doctors, nurses, and all of the literature encourages, if not mandates, breast feeding. Everyone who has ever had a baby knows that if the baby is not on the breast, you have to pump it out. Otherwise, you deal with engorgement issues, infections, drying out, etc.

For regular delivery (non-cesarean or without complications), you get 6 weeks under most, if not all, insurance policies. Surely this judge is not suggesting that once a woman returns to work at 7 weeks, she should no longer feed her child because it’s an inconvenience to the Employer?
12:20 AM on 02/11/2012
As long as she's pumping where no one can see her, then I don't see a problem with her doing it. If she was exposed, then I guess it could be a problem.
08:43 AM on 02/15/2012
There shouldn't be a problem with her breastfeeding anywhere. It is the other people's problem if they see it as sexual.
10:28 PM on 02/10/2012
well if the Judge was elected like they do here....I guess those women need to really get their behind to the voting booth and get the idiots like this guy off the bench....and the day a man can "lactate" for his child and be fired...then its equal...this was disciminatory as far as I can see...and yes I breastfed mine and yes, where I worked no one had a problem with me "pumping" on my lunch break. Ask any dietitian and they will tell you that there is no better way for a baby's nutritional needs than breastfeeding.
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Watching rock grow
It's a practice in patience
09:09 PM on 02/10/2012
Well men I guess you can't pump either.
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MarcEdward
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11:38 AM on 02/12/2012
Actually studies show that large numbers of men pump at work, if you know what I mean.
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Watching rock grow
It's a practice in patience
11:41 AM on 02/12/2012
:)
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
04:15 PM on 02/12/2012
Really?  Really?  Yikes.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I kinda am.  Sigh. :)
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Kymbirleigh
Daughter, Mother, Wife
08:28 PM on 02/10/2012
I'm really amazed by how many people seem to think that women use pumping to skip out on working. I have never missed a meeting because of pumping. I have, however adjusted when and how long I pump to ensure I make it to meetings on time. I always have my phone (with my work email on it) with me, so I'm constantly emailing work related stuff WHILE pumping. I always have my tablet to view work related documents. Contrary to what some people might believe, women can pump and still work at the same time....we just prefer a private location so our breasts aren't on display for everyone to see.
12:54 AM on 02/11/2012
Yeah, true. But, not all breast pumps are treated equal. Some are really really loud and a phone meeting is probably inappropriate.
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Kymbirleigh
Daughter, Mother, Wife
04:20 AM on 02/11/2012
While that is also true, it's really not that hard to schedule a time to pump around meetings. I've done it a few times.
08:26 PM on 02/10/2012
I don't see the problem. If she has to pump to feed her baby she could do that at home and refrigerate the milk. If she needs to pump to relieve pressure then let her pump, what harm is that doing? But the people that are saying the baby will go hungry are not thinking clearly. Does she take her baby to work with her? Anyway the best solution is let her pump, as long as she does it on break it hurts no one.
11:01 AM on 02/11/2012
To maintain your supply of milk produce, you mist pump regularly. If you don't, the milk supply dries up. If you only pump at home or when you are engorged, you wouldn't pump near enough to support a child's needs.
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SirenForSanity
Hi De Hi Hi De Ho Times
05:25 PM on 02/12/2012
It should be that simple. Why isn't it?!?!?!
06:12 PM on 02/12/2012
SirenForSanity, thats a good question. First thing that came to my mind was, what is the moral character of the people that run the collection agency. And what kind of a business would nice, kind, friendly, caring people choose to get into as a career choice? Certainly not a debt collection business where all kinds of mean spirited tactics are used, and their profits depend on how many debts they can collect using whatever questionable methods are needed. Good caring people find those that make a living off the misery of others to be less than kind and understanding. So the logical answer to "why isn't it that simple" is because the people that denied her are mean spirited a-- holes. And the law court judge was an idiot. Looking at it in those terms it is very simple to see why & how this happened ! The courts decision will probably be overturned on appeal. It should be anyway.
08:10 PM on 02/10/2012
Frankly, I don't see what the company's problem was. These people are debt collectors so they all spend their days on the telephones pumping and milking people for money. Debt collectors are not warm and fuzzy people. That's why laws had to be enacted to protect the consumer. Hopefully for Ms. Venters she's found better employment.