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CPAC 2012: Are The Republican Party's Views On Gay Marriage Shifting?

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First Posted: 02/12/2012 1:55 pm Updated: 02/12/2012 3:35 pm

Are conservatives beginning to admit defeat on same-sex marriage?

Iowa GOP Congressman Steve King has in the past attacked same-sex marriage vehemently, ever since the Iowa Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that marriage is a right for gays and lesbians in the Iowa Constitution. He's said it is "a purely socialist concept." He's said it was an "active effort to desecrate a sacrament of the church." He even said it would lead to children being "raised in warehouses."

But at the Conservative Political Action Conference over the weekend, King seemed to be singing a different tune.

"I never made the case that had to do with the social component in this," he told me in an interview, seeming to contradicting his previous statements while projecting a softer position on the issue. "I made the legal case. We had a supreme court that determined that they could find rights in the constitution that up to this point were unimagined."

King went on to say that he wanted a vote on the issue in Iowa, and that he would accept the outcome even if marriage for gays were approved. He in fact appears to have accepted marriage equality in New York, where the legislature passed a law rather than a court handing down a decision, noting that "that's a different story" from what happened in Iowa. And King even seemed to imply he'd accept a legislative vote that affirmed gay marriage in Iowa, noting other legislative actions that went against his beliefs but which he accepted.

"If it's a legitimate legislative action that is constitutional, I would be okay with it," he said.

This was a shift in emphasis, focusing more on perceived court injustice and not at all on the supposed fall of civilization that gay marriage will bring.

Michele Bachmann toed this line too when I spoke with her, attacking the Prop 8 ruling by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals -- a common target of conservatives -- rather than gay marriage itself, as did Oklahoma GOP Senator Inhofe, who has staunchly attacked gay marriage in the past.

Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, no supporter of gay rights, acknowledged "new thinking in the country," noting that there is "open debate" in the GOP on gay marriage and that "we may have a generational divide." Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform told me had "no position" on gay marriage. Even Joe the Plumber, Samuel Wurzelbacher, running for Congress, refrained from the gay-bashing and attacks on marriage equality he's done in the past, and said that if the states want to do it he'd okay with it.

As Washington State becomes the 7th State to bring equality to marriage -- and through a legislative action rather than court decision -- there was a distinct impression at CPAC that the anti-gay activists have realized they've lost a lot of ground and may have lost the war, particularly among young people.

A panel discussion moderated by Maggie Gallagher of the National Organization for Marriage and which included anti-feminist icon Phyllis Schlafly, was defensively titled, "The Phony Divide Between Fiscal & Social Conservatives: Protecting Marriage as a Case Study." The panel came off as a desperate plea by social conservatives, designed to make the point Gallagher admitted to the crowd: Many in the GOP, particularly among the libertarian-minded Tea Party activists, do not care about the gay marriage issue or many other social issues, at least not to the degree that Gallagher would like.

That certainly appears to be true after speaking with younger Tea Party activists at CPAC and even with the college students the Mitt Romney campaign brought in. Many just don't care about the issue or even support marriage equality, even as Romney made his promise to "defend' marriage in his speech at CPAC.

Tellingly, the Gallagher-moderated event featured a five-person panel (including Gallagher) in which each member was over 50; four of the five were over 60, including Schlafly, who is 87. The audience of several hundred people for the event, held in the main ballroom, was predominantly over 50.

Meanwhile, outside in the corridors, the rest of CPAC went on with many of the 20- and 30-somethings, the future of the conservative movement, who obviously didn't care enough to sit through it.

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10:54 AM on 02/15/2012
Most of you are blind following the blind, of downright liars. I voted Democratic, until Clinton came along. And have voted conservative ever since, and changed to the Republican ticket. There are
more crooks and traders in the democrat party than any of the muslins or others. This president
is unable to debate at all because he has no monitor to read! He is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country! He has never had a REAL job! AND he is from the gangster town, Chicago. All he wants to do is blow the money we send to the IRS! He has no Money since!
He and his czars want nothing to do that to help this nation.

I say "IMPEACH" this TRADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oakspondman
Proud US Veteran
09:57 AM on 02/15/2012
I will believe this when Bohner and his kind, stop trying to defend DOMA. Lets see him get out of the way of civil rights for all americans.
10:19 AM on 02/14/2012
What interesting is that the right-fringe is rapidly becoming the only energized opponent of gay marriage. Moderate Republicans and even some hardcore, but not radical, right-wingers are not taking concrete stances on gay marriage. It's a coy but effective political move if you ask me, they know the country is changing, and they will not get elected if they take a dynamic view on it.
10:57 PM on 02/13/2012
King will accept gay marriage if it's voted on? He'll defend people's rights as long as a majority of his constituents say so? Mighty brave of him.
09:43 PM on 02/13/2012
I attended the Dignity USA convention in DC last summer. There was a panel discussion on demographics and the marriage equality issue.

One of the panelists was an octogenarian who explained the bad news and the good news regarding his generation. "The bad news", he explained "is that my generation is the least accepting on the issue of marriage equality". Continuing on, "The good news is WE'RE ALL DYING!"
09:34 PM on 02/13/2012
NJ is about to pass a gay marriage bill but their conservative Republican Governor, Christie, promises to veto it.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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05:07 PM on 02/13/2012
The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion: [Article 6] No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the U.S. by an Act of Congress in 1782 was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to “In God We Trust.”

The original ‘Pledge of Allegiance’ was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who did NOT include the words “Under God.” Those were added by Congress 62 years later (1954).

The U.S. didn’t issue Paper Currency until 1861, and ‘In God We Trust’ didn’t appear on it for 96 years (1957).

Just after the Red Scare in the 1950′s, Congress changed the Pledge of Allegiance and our Nation’s Motto over the fear of Communism.

In a time when fear is traded like a commodity, and the word Socialism is being used to create the same fear as the old word Communism, let’s remember that our country was NOT founded on fear. No, our nation was founded out of HOPE for a better world where all people were equal – that we were ONE from MANY.

Let’s not let fear change our nation’s great tradition & direction again.
05:14 PM on 02/14/2012
I understand what you have posted but the United States has changed in a disastrous direction because of fear that I doubt this country will recover from. It is now acceptable by the majority to simply vote who has rights and who does not. Our constitution is basically empty words and our legislative process is null and courts are by past in favor of tyranny of the majority. More than thirty states have allowed tyranny of the majority on marriage equality and this opened the door for further tyranny of the majority. In the future these referendum votes will be used as a means to push more of the same.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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05:02 PM on 02/13/2012
Legal precedence is on the side of homosexual­s, as evidenced by Loving v. Virginia & Chief Justice Earl Warren, who wrote for the majority: "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men ...", as well as the Equal Protection & Full Faith & Credit clauses.

Since the mid part of 2011 the majority of Americans support legalizing gay marriage. This means that popular support is now on the side of homosexual­s as well.

Since we are in no way a theocracy, the simple fact of the matter is that religion has absolutely no bearing on the issue of whether homosexual­s deserve the same rights as everyone else. What people think their religion says about homosexual­ity carries zero LEGAL WEIGHT in this discussion­.

When you take away those three arguments, it's readily apparent that those who oppose gay marriage don't really have anything left with which to mount a logical, reasoned, rational defense against homosexual­s being allowed to legally marry.
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Jeff Lassiter
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09:55 AM on 02/14/2012
I always just tell people "Give me one cogent argument that doesn't include the bible and we can discuss." No one ever seems to be bale to do so.
05:27 PM on 02/14/2012
Correct religion has no legal authority in the U.S. but the problem is that most American's do not believe that. Nearly every American will say the U.S. is founded on the principles of the bible and that god's law trumps man's laws. Hence the reason the U.S. is still struggling to shed religious oppression. The only elected person to an office that I have seen who upheld that wall of separation between government and religion according to the first amendment was the Governor of Washington when she commented about her support for marriage equality and then signed the law regardless of her religious belief.
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keithincali
Repeal DOMA!
02:18 PM on 02/13/2012
I'm not bothered by the fact that the extreme religious right is against marriage equality. What bothers me and so many other gay Americans is that they think they have the right to prevent us from being treated equally. How would they feel if the tables were turned and their government was preventing them from marrying the one they love? Think about that for a second. I would never dream of fighting to eliminate the rights of anyone just because I didn't personally believe in it. Everyone deserves to live their lives the way they want, this is America and in this country we have freedoms that can't be extinguished by the majority or the religious right. Hate us all you want, that's your life and your right, but actively working to eliminate our rights is wrong on many different levels, and it will not be tolerated in America. This big-otry and discrimination must be stopped.
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
04:20 PM on 02/13/2012
It wouldn't be the GOP if they didn't have anyone to pick on!
09:32 PM on 02/13/2012
Well there will always be poor people for them to pick on, victimize and blame....
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09:36 PM on 02/13/2012
I love what you have said but in the short course of human existence it is revolutionary! I was stuck by "Everyone deserves to live their lives the way they want" is not something that has been practiced in many places but I hope we can do it here!
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keithincali
Repeal DOMA!
12:29 PM on 02/15/2012
Thank you, and I hope so too. We all should be kind and considerate to each other but so many like to feel that in some way that they're better than their fellow man. More wealth, or a certain religion, or race, or nationality, or sexual orientation doesn't make someone a better person.
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Ed Baker
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01:45 PM on 02/13/2012
Republican politicians smell money, and see that Obama is so weak on gay rights.....

If they were to chuck the anti-gay platform, they would split the gay vote right down the middle - and possibly even gain a majority of the gay vote, and the gay friendly vote.

Many gay people are fiscally conservative. There isn't much in the way of social programs for gay people. We've had to make it on our own. Our charities are mostly funded by us. We pay enormous amounts in taxes compared to straight people - and one tax that hits us exceptionally hard is the estate tax - heterosexual couples get to pass their entire estates to their spouses without taxation. For gay couples who have built businesses together - the estate tax is crippling.

The gay community has historically been very self reliant and enterprising.
03:09 PM on 02/13/2012
As long as the Republican Party embraces lovely characters like Steve King, Michelle Bachmann, or really just any organization with "Marriage" or "Family" in the title (ironically all dedicated to preventing marriages and families), I doubt any reasonable gay person will suddenly jump ship wholeheartedly, no matter what the Republican platform is. Being treated like a second class citizen and a plague on society is not easily forgotten.
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Ed Baker
Militant Moderate
03:44 PM on 02/13/2012
If we never reward brave Republicans for standing up for us, Republicans will never stand up for us.

It will take Republicans for us to achieve our goals. We cannot do it with the DNC alone, and if we don't hold the DNC accountable to get results, we will never get any.

We should make both parties compete for our money and our votes.
11:00 PM on 02/13/2012
If the Republicans ever go all-in for gays rights they will lose half of their base overnight and become eternally irrelevant. I suspect they will eventually pass into the night like the Whigs, but it will be a slow sail.
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Jeff Lassiter
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09:58 AM on 02/14/2012
Most people who care about other people already see the GOP as irrelevant :)
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Ed Baker
Militant Moderate
10:59 AM on 02/14/2012
Actually, the largest increases in approval for gay marriage have been in The South in recent years. A popular television show among Republicans is a show about two gay men raising a family. "Modern Family." I've never seen it myself, can't stand sitcoms.

http://www.aoltv.com/2010/11/10/republicans-love-modern-family-democrats-favor-dexter-new/
psandysdad
The older you get, the more excuses you have.
12:31 PM on 02/13/2012
"Sacrament of the church"? Marriage is a legal contract. "Children being raised in warehouses"? This is a pure non-sequiter. Aldous Huxley foresaw something like that in 'Brave New World', but it had nothing to do with gayness.
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YouAreJokingRight
Taking you less seriously than you take yourself.
01:25 PM on 02/13/2012
How dare you read a piece of literature and think about what it means! Shame on you! :)

I'd fan you, but it's not working.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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04:10 PM on 02/13/2012
It is now!
12:11 PM on 02/13/2012
"The Phoney Divide Between Fiscal and Social Conservatives"?

The GOP has been using this "wedge" strategy for decades. In the face of the colossal destruction wrought by the GOP on both fronts, maybe Gallagher is correct: The GOP has be wrong wrong wrong on both fronts.
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FantasticFourFan
No one on the right is a christian.
01:16 PM on 02/13/2012
I think the very fact that they even need to hold a panel on this issue speaks volumes about the fact that they are losing. You don't hold panels on problems that don't exist. They've lost the younger generation and they know it. This is just a desperate attempt to pretend that they still have a future in the GOP once the under thirties take over. I also think it was rather telling that nobody under fifty even attended.
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Miss Grey
05:01 PM on 02/13/2012
I have read multiple articles stating that the leadership of NOM, with the exception of Maggie herself, are dead certain they're going to lose this fight, but for whatever reason feel compelled to keep at it.
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oakspondman
Proud US Veteran
10:01 AM on 02/15/2012
Waking up that this is the 21st century. This is not the America of 1950. Old politicians and their religion need to just fade away, along with their hate.

Keep religious beliefs out of the Government.
12:01 PM on 02/13/2012
This message is for those who believes they are struggling. God is inclusive and wants to hear from you. When replying, don't make false accusations. And if you would like to reply, make sure to copy and paste the "hate" part. Let each person decide for their own.

You, like everybody else on earth, have made mistakes. To use a religious word, you've sinned.
Your mistakes (sins) make it impossible for you to know God all by yourself. God is perfect and good in every respect, and sinful people can't even be in the presence of so much goodness. It doesn't matter if your mistake was a little one or a big ugly one—it's enough to separate you from God.
God loves you, despite your mistakes, and wants to have a relationsh­ip with you. God came up with a solution to this sin problem—he sent his son Jesus to suffer the penalty that your mistakes deserve. Jesus took your mistakes upon himself so that you can be perfect in God's eyes. After committing this act of sacrifice, Jesus was raised from the dead and acts as a go-between for you and God.
By simply believing in this—your sin, God's love, and Jesus' sacrifice—­you can enter a relationsh­ip with God. That means that your mistakes are washed away and you're invited to live a new, transforme­d life—a life that's based on something more meaningful than money or power or keeping up with the Joneses.
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VISO
01:02 PM on 02/13/2012
What? Some much tribble. The relationship you have with Christ is a personal thing. No one has the right to determine what Christ might have thought or done. You are not that special or that smart!
01:37 PM on 02/13/2012
You are correct, thats why i refer to the Bible to find out.
01:23 PM on 02/13/2012
Jesus never said a single word about homosexuality. Perhaps it was because he was gay himself -- a real possibility. A thirty year old, single and hanging out with bunch of other single guys? Most people would assume, likely not only today, that Jesus was gay. Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony? There certainly is no proof whatsoever that he wasn't gay so give gays the benefit of some serious doubt if they are what you call "sinning" in this case.
And there are difference in sins: murdering 6 million jews vs committing adultery do not carry the same weight.
02:11 PM on 02/13/2012
It's in the bible several times.

--There certainly is no proof whatsoever that he wasn't gay so give gays the benefit of some serious doubt if they are what you call "sinning" in this case.--

Is thats seriously your hope?

--And there are difference in sins: murdering 6 million jews vs committing adultery do not carry the same weight.--

According to who? All sins are of equal value.
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PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Your BELIEFS do not trump my RIGHTS...
11:31 AM on 02/13/2012
The hatemongers really are running out of options. Virtually every single poll now taken shows a majority of Americans now favor equality for Gay marriage. State legislatures are now seeing that voting against Gay marriage does nothing but alienate voters and see that other states are actually financially benfiting from Gay marriage (we just so love lavish affairs!!)

The younger the respondents to polls are the higher percentage of approval increases. We basically are now waiting for the hatefilled old relics to die off...........

In this case I love to be the bearer of awesome news to the hatefilled right, Gay marriage is comming and there is basically nothing more you can do to prevent it.................................
11:30 AM on 02/13/2012
It is AMerica that must admit defeat.
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FantasticFourFan
No one on the right is a christian.
01:16 PM on 02/13/2012
Based on what?
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AdamWest1313
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01:37 PM on 02/13/2012
Equality = Defeat in your world?

Strange world you live in. Last time I checked, we think all men are created equal.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:29 PM on 02/13/2012
True. But for some, some are more equal than others. Hence their thought that any euqality for GLBT people means the end of the world.