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EU Carbon Trade Deal Urged By Airlines


First Posted: 02/12/2012 7:27 am Updated: 04/13/2012 5:12 am



* Airlines body says impasse over EU scheme intolerable

* Urges global emissions deal at UN's aviation agency

* EU official says open to multilateral ICAO discussion

* Emissions row overshadows key China-EU summit

By Tim Hepher and Harry Suhartono

SINGAPORE, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Global airlines called on Sunday for a U.N.-brokered deal to prevent a row over aviation emissions between China and the European Union spilling into a damaging trade war.

The call by the head of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) comes amid signs that the EU may be willing to soften a unilateral stance that also risks souring efforts to resolve Europe's sovereign debt crisis with Chinese support.

In an interview, IATA Director General Tony Tyler said airlines had become wedged between conflicting domestic laws after China ordered its airlines not to join the EU's compulsory market-based system for regulating airline emissions.

"The Chinese move to prevent its airlines from taking part in the Emissions Trading Scheme is a very bold move and it pushes the Chinese carriers very much into the front line of this particular dispute," Tyler told Reuters.

"This is an intolerable situation which clearly has to be resolved; it cannot go on like this. I very much hope of course that we are not seeing the beginning of a trade war on this issue and eventually wiser counsels will prevail," he said.

China was an early opponent of the EU's cap-and-trade scheme, which has also drawn protests from the United States and India, and the escalating row threatens to hamper efforts to work out an international solution to Europe's sovereign debt crisis.

By banning its airlines last week from co-operating, China hardened its stance just ahead of a Feb. 14 Beijing summit at which the EU will seek Chinese help to ease its debt crisis.

The EU says its scheme to charge airlines for emissions on flights into or out of Europe, which took effect on Jan. 1, is needed as part of the fight against global climate change.

It maintains it was driven to act after more than a decade of inaction at the United Nations' aviation standards agency, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which has yet to find a global solution to tackling airline emissions.

Tyler said ICAO's chambers were the only forum for resolving the row and he and other airline industry officials noted that the EU had indicated willingness to avoid further isolation.

"The European Commission is now much more open to an ICAO solution," he said. "I very much hope that the EU and all its member states will work hard with ICAO to come up with a global solution. It is not going to be easy."

Tyler was speaking on the eve of the Singapore Airshow.


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Last week the senior EU civil servant responsible for climate action said Brussels preferred multilateral discussion.

"We have been clear that we are willing to review our legislation in the light of agreement on market-based measures being agreed in ICAO," Jos Delbeke told a conference.

A relative backwater of the United Nations responsible for industry standards, the Montreal-based ICAO has emerged as the potential bulwark against the first serious carbon trade war.

It is widely seen as a challenging task for an agency created to oversee neatly bordered airspace, but which must now try to find an urgently needed formula for tackling aircraft fumes that criss-cross international frontiers.

ICAO has already served as a back-channel for issues deemed too difficult to handle elsewhere, for example providing opportunities for contacts between Washington and Cuba, but has rarely found itself in the diplomatic foreground.

The row comes at a difficult time for airlines as the industry struggles to escape the fallout from high oil prices and the economic uncertainty surrounding Europe's debt crisis.

Tyler said airlines faced a tough year in 2012 and warned of further bankruptcies in Europe or elsewhere if the region failed to resolve its credit problems. The current quarter is traditionally the leanest time for aircraft revenues.

IATA has predicted the global airline industry will make a profit of $3.5 billion in 2012, but says this could flip to a loss of $8.3 billion in the event of deep recession in Europe.

Cargo traffic which acts as a barometer for global trade ticked 0.2 percent higher in December, but Tyler said it was too early to tell whether this signalled a turnaround.

The head of a sister organization responsible for Asian carriers said airlines risked being hurt by any trade conflict.

"The risk for airlines is that if this does degenerate into tit-for-tat trade war, then airlines will be caught in the crossfire from both sides," Andrew Herdman, director general of the Association of Asia-Pacific Airlines, told Reuters.

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Papa Swamp
Research Peon, apex predator, ocean freak.
07:48 AM on 02/13/2012
…and in other (but related news)...2012 to be the lowest arctic sea ice extent in last 33 yrs? http://t.co/nZfZUgG1 (yellow track on the left)
11:32 PM on 02/12/2012
I decided to boycott all European flights on the principle of the thing.

Now I will do my travelling in a giant Winnie burning tons of fossil fuel. I may not see the Louvre but the Walmart people put up one heck of a museum down in Bentonville everyone needs to see.
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byronic
08:16 PM on 02/12/2012
The EU is headed in the right direction. We have to move away from fossil fuels. China is just throwing its weight around, as it has been increasingly doing everywhere. It will be interesting to see how this situation develops... China is offering nothing to the EU except, possibly, to buy EU assets at knock-down prices. The EU will probably have to tough this one out. If they do, they will win in the end: Chinese airlines will just have to fly elsewhere and the EU will have to find other tourists...
01:07 AM on 02/13/2012
Ugh, in case you hadn't noticed .. Climate Change is being proven .. using real data, not models .. to be way overblown .. So what's the point of this Carbon Trading Deal? Some people just won't give up their ideology no matter what facts come to light. China will never commit to anything Green.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains
Arthur Walsh
You are not entitled to your own facts!
07:05 PM on 02/12/2012
There is no honest discussion to be had in here about carbon emissions because of the oil industry and the people they pay to post their lies and the gullible who believe those lies and parrot them . There will be no action on this issue because the majority of this country is in denial and a majority of our politicians are either owned by big oil or are afraid to take them on. I have posted about denial before and I know that nothing will happen until we hit bottom and the truth can not be avoided! It will take something like a series of hurricanes and or tornadoes that will leave a major portion of this country standing in wreckage and make it obvious that denial does not make it so! This is my last post on this issue and I advise the rest of you to stop because it does no good. Just sit and wait because I believe and am in fact predicting that the truth will make itself heard. Nature is a harsh teacher!
01:13 AM on 02/13/2012
Lies?? How about East Anglia U and Climategate ..?? Some people are blinded by ideology no matter what facts present themselves. So, the Himalaya's haven't lost ice in 10 years .. just when your boys predicted disaster and obvious change. Will you digest this or simply ignore anything contrary to your view? There is some minor Climate Change .. there always has been .. what I fear is the next ice age .. not a warm spell which mankind can easily adapt to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains
Arthur Walsh
You are not entitled to your own facts!
08:45 PM on 02/13/2012
And the gullible who parrot them!
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Raleigh Latham
Save our Wolrd
07:00 PM on 02/12/2012
Hold strong E.U. The future of mankind is more important than airline profits.
01:24 AM on 02/13/2012
Evil Airline "Profits" ... all the Engineers, Machinists, Technicians, Pilots, Flight Attendants, Baggage Handlers, ie people who work are what creates the wealth which allows EU Masters to sit around on their asses fumbling with paperwork and making life miserable for the rest of us.

Global Warming alarmism is mostly based on models .. as the real data comes in these doomsayers are being proven wrong, far far off ... there is some Global Warming as there has always been changing temperatures. I'm more worried about changes to the Sun and another Ice Age than +2 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains
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03:55 PM on 02/12/2012
Another belief system based on unproven hypothesis calling itself a science.

I worked on the carbon trade (scam) in the US 15 years ago.
We moved carbon credits (traded) from some counties to other counties to create balance.
The entire system collapsed in one month and was finally abandoned.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
05:17 PM on 02/12/2012
Carbon trading is not science it is a financial or economic strategy. Global warming is real, the only debate worth having is the best and fastest way to dramatically reduce the amount of fossil fuels we are burning.
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Donald Kinge
08:22 PM on 02/12/2012
Science never proves a hypothesis.
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OLJW00
right is right
03:35 PM on 02/12/2012
Ruh-Roh Raggy.....

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html

It's the Emperor (aka Global Warming Alarmists), and he's not wearing any clothes..
09:39 AM on 02/13/2012
"http://www­.spiegel.d­e/internat­ional/worl­d/0,1518,8­13814,00.h­tml"

Thanks
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seanrm92
The Radical Neutral
01:14 PM on 02/12/2012
Cap-and-trade is simply a government scam under the guise of "environmentalism". You really think it's going to curb emissions? Businesses are just going to raise the prices of their products in order to offset their losses.
01:41 PM on 02/12/2012
And the consumers will look to cheaper products.

And the businesses will look to cheaper fuel sources as their market shrinks.

It's the economics of supply and demand, nothing new, the environmentalists didn't invent this stuff.
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seanrm92
The Radical Neutral
02:01 PM on 02/12/2012
There won't be "cheaper products" if the fines affect the entire market. So there won't be a need for airlines to find cheaper fuel sources--the supply curve will shift, but the demand curve will remain the same. Unless, of course, you can find a different way to get across the Atlantic in 8 hours.

And what other fuel sources ARE there for jet airplanes? There's gasoline, and gasoline. The closest practical alternative is hydrogen--but the technology required for it to effectively replace jet engines is still decades away, at best. The only hydrogen powered planes at the moment are all propeller-driven.
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OLJW00
right is right
03:39 PM on 02/12/2012
You forget about the Law of Unintended Consequences. Whenever the Gov't attempts to manipulate the market like this all kinds of bad things happen.

You simply can't legislate green energy into existence in the same way you can't pass a law that says within five years everyone should use a levitation suit that runs on water.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
05:17 PM on 02/12/2012
Then what do you propose as an alternative strategy to reduce the burning of fossil fuels?
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intolleft
ObamaCare...getting you shovel ready
06:11 PM on 02/12/2012
Nothing.
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seanrm92
The Radical Neutral
06:26 PM on 02/12/2012
Hydrogen. It's the most abundant fuel source in the universe, and it's pretty efficient. But we need to develop an infrastructure for harvesting, refining, containing (which has turned out to be a bit problematic) and distributing it on the same scale as oil. Not to mention developing new technology and phasing out the old, which could still take decades. Until then, there's not much we can do to curb the demand for oil. Oil is still the most efficient source of fuel right now. It pollutes like hell, but a small amount of gasoline contains a very large amount of energy.

But even if we do phase out oil from mass transportation, we're still going to need it. Many commercial products like plastics and lubricants are made from oil. So it's not going to go away, but it could be substantially reduced.
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mhh310351
Roosevelt Democrat
01:03 PM on 02/12/2012
http://www.iea.org/co2highlights/co2highlights.pdf

CO2 emissions by the numbers. Compar fast developing nations to industrial nations. As I said the express train to man made climate change.
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OLJW00
right is right
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mhh310351
Roosevelt Democrat
12:54 PM on 02/12/2012
The perfect tool to bring jobs back to America - a carbon trading plan or carbon tax on products sold here based on carbon emissions of manufacturing, obtaining raw materials, transportation, and to protect rain forest sustainability.

This concept that fast developing nations CO2 emissions are somehow better for the planet than industrial nations CO2 emissions because of per capita or historic usage is proving to be the express train to man made climate change!

Just check out the numbers!
01:47 PM on 02/12/2012
Yes it has to be sorted.

But surely per capita is the issue?

Unless you think the amount of CO2 you should be allowed to have produced depends on the country you live in?

For a sustainable future we need to completely rethink energy use and the amount we heat the planet. To do that we have to phase out energy generation and change to energy harvesting.

You are quite right that we have an express train, and it's all power sources where we add heat to the planet, these include coal, gas and nuclear.

For now it is about equal rights to pollute, soon it will be about equal rights to not be wiped out by heat generation.
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OLJW00
right is right
03:41 PM on 02/12/2012
This whole concept of a Carbon Exchange is COMPLETELY BOGUS and harmful to the larger economy of both the US and the World.

What say we buy and trade in ACTUAL commodities and services?