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Conference Board Economists: U.S. Economy Transitioning To A New Normal

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Posted: 02/13/2012 10:01 am

"The economy that we had before the recession is gone," said Kenneth Goldstein, economist at the Conference Board. "It's not coming back."

The U.S. economy is transitioning to a new normal in which businesses invest less and consumers spend less than before the recession, Goldstein told The Huffington Post in an interview last week. As a result, he said, economic growth and job growth will be slower than before.

He said that businesses, consumers and the government would need to spend at least $1 trillion more than they are likely to spend in order for the economy to return to its pre-recession growth rate. But he added that no one is willing to spend the money necessary to jumpstart the economy, since the government is cutting spending, consumers are saving more, and businesses expect a lower return on their investments.

"Where's the money?" Goldstein asked.

The Conference Board, which counts half of all Fortune 500 companies among its members, provides economic and business advice and research to its member companies.

The main problem is that consumers' expectations for the future have plunged, Goldstein said. They suffered from such a large economic shock in 2008 and 2009 that many older people now do not expect to return to work, and many younger people no longer expect to make that much money, he continued. As a result, Americans have cut back on spending.

Consumers are indeed saving more than they did before the recession. They saved 3.7 percent of their incomes at the end of 2011, in contrast to less than 2 percent of their incomes during all of 2005, according to government statistics. Their wages, when accounting for inflation, actually fell in 2011.

Consumer confidence has been at recessionary levels for the past four years, according to the Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index.

Like consumers, businesses are spending less because they have lowered their expectations of future income, Goldstein said. While businesses could expect returns of 8 to 12 percent on their investments before the recession, they are now expecting returns of about half that amount. If they raise prices too much, consumers will choose cheaper alternatives, he said.

Exports are one of the only bright spots sustaining U.S. economic growth at this slower pace, he added.

Now that people's homes are often worth less and credit is expensive, people are relying on their wages to be able to spend money -- and their wages have barely been growing, said Lynn Franco, director of the Conference Board's Consumer Research Center. She said this means that economic growth will be slower than it was before the recession for the foreseeable future, since consumer spending comprises two-thirds of the U.S. economy.

"If you just take a look at the fundamentals alone," she said, "you cannot get back to the levels of consumer spending that we had prior to the crisis."

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12:51 AM on 03/26/2012
Good idea.
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July 4, 2012
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We are the 99%.
02:47 PM on 02/19/2012
The new normal has zip to do with productivity and population increases. If so, more people should mean more money.
Money has been squandered by the gatekeepers and elite who run the world. Excessive credit, bad loans, corporate giveaways, money disappearing from accounts, wars etc.
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03:27 PM on 02/18/2012
Occupy the 3rd Continental Congress
Philadelphia
July 4, 2012

www.the99declaration.org

It's our government, take it back.
09:42 PM on 02/15/2012
Noooooo....c'mon Obamas got this thing....we're good. Just vote for him again and this time things will be different
06:39 PM on 02/15/2012
GDP growth is 2.5% which isn't bad. It's growth.

In the meantime, EXIT housing quickly. Prices are headed down, there is 25 MILLION excess empty houses and housing demand is at 15 year lows.
04:25 PM on 02/16/2012
It takes almost 2% GDP growth just to absorb the increase in population. At that rate it will take a long time to get unemployment down to politically acceptable levels, and most workers won't see a salary increase for an even longer time.
04:35 PM on 02/16/2012
Prices are and will fall to meet salaries.
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01:03 PM on 02/15/2012
Dylan Ratigan had David Barker on a few weeks ago, discussing Mr. Barker's book:

http://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Free-America-David-Barker/dp/1105027791
Amazon.com: Welcome To Free America (9781105027796): David Barker: Books

"Welcome to Free America describes America in the year 2057, 26 years after government has collapsed. The book is written as a guide for new immigrants. Free America is not a paradise, but it is prosperous and free, and manages to function in the complete absence of government. Readers may differ over whether the society described is a utopia or a dystopia."

For that future to occur, corporations would have to adopt a code of ethics, and give up the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.
westphalen
freedom is not free
03:43 PM on 02/15/2012
This is the perfect difference between Left and Right.
The Liberal has beautiful dreams of a perfect world that sounds good on paper.
The Conservative does not live on paper . They have a realistic understanding that all people are flawed.
To believe there could ever be a future where everyone functions as a perfect human being in a perfect world is so childish, as to be laughable.
....and your implication that what stands in the way to Utopia is for corporations to adopt a code of ethics? Did you laugh when you wrote that?
OMG.
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06:10 PM on 02/15/2012
I posted that for unkeat, who believe we can function without government, but not without corporations.

Anyone who doubts that evil and good exists in all humans should watch the Stanford Prison Experiment

http://www.prisonexp.org/
The Stanford Prison Experiment: A Simulation Study of the Psychology of Imprisonment
06:32 PM on 02/15/2012
Choke! 'Scuze me, I just choked with laughter! You just said conservatives have a realistic understanding that all people are flawed. I guess then that the difference between Left and Right must be that the lefties want to fix flaws and the righties want to glory in them.
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07:33 AM on 02/15/2012
The "new normal" has been happening for some time. It's the result of global population increase, combined with advances in technology and productivity, that mean globally we have exponentially more man-hours chasing fewer and fewer positions now that machinery driven by fossil fuels and commanded by computer technology is doing much of the world's industrial work today.

What hasn't changed is the centuries-old formula that requires humans to sell their man-hours into the workplace to earn the right to access the goods and services now being made mainly by machines, not humans. Until we fix that, governments will need to go deeper into debt to supplement the crashing wages of their citizens...just to keep them alive, if only barely.
10:55 AM on 02/15/2012
You're right about that. In 1970 the world's population stood at about 4 billion. Today is has almost doubled to 7 billion, mostly in the third world countries of Central and South America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia and Southeast Asia; the same countries which couldn't afford to feed their own people in 1970, let alone in 2012. There are just not enough natural resources to go around.
03:53 AM on 02/15/2012
Just like the GOP, economists keep trying to use OLD methods and mindsets instead of moving their thinking into the 21st century.

OBAMA/BIDEN/AMERICA 2012
FloridaGuy50
Making sure that Obama Is a one term president
03:12 PM on 02/15/2012
No thanks we dont need another 4 years of Obama destruction?
02:49 PM on 02/18/2012
In comparison to the lunacy of the republican candidates? Obama looks like a genius.
westphalen
freedom is not free
04:11 PM on 02/15/2012
and that would be?
01:17 AM on 02/15/2012
Bonnie Kavoussi must know very little about the BEA and the data it publishes because if she actual performed any critical thinking in her job she could have spotted the blatant lies.

"The U.S. economy is transitioning to a new normal in which businesses invest less and consumers spend less than before the recession"

As per the GDP tables, real (that means inflation adjusted for the financially illiterate) private business investment in equipment and software and inventory accumulation is running at its fastest pace in several years. Businesses are actually spending more than they did at the peak of the housing bubble.

Real PCE (personal consumption expenditure for the uninformed) is at an all time high as well. Consumers are spending more than they did before the recession.

"If you just take a look at the fundamentals alone," she said, "you cannot get back to the levels of consumer spending that we had prior to the crisis."

Someone has been living in a cave. We already surpassed levels of consumer spending that we had prior to the crisis.

www.bea.gov

If you don't know where to go from there, well sorry you can't fix stupid.
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ChasG
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10:20 PM on 02/14/2012
"The economy we had before the recession is not coming back."  No DUH !!  The economy we had before the recession was a bubble that got us into this mess.  Why would we want to do that again?  The bubble was not the "old normal" because it wasn't normal.  The sooner we learn this the better off we'll all be.
FloridaGuy50
Making sure that Obama Is a one term president
03:14 PM on 02/15/2012
Dot.Com bubble and Housing bubble? Yeah i agree no thanks.
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10:11 PM on 02/14/2012
All because we won't invest the money necessary to get the ball rolling again, because the right wing prefers to spend money on wars and tax breaks for themselves.
In more ways than one, this is the new normal. Avoidable disasters caused by head-in-the-sand know-nothings is the new normal.
But you ain't seen nothin' yet. Next act is Climate Change.
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CPAwADD
Always look on the bright side of life.
10:07 PM on 02/14/2012
Maybe we shouldn't spend more on the military than the rest of the world.
06:39 AM on 02/16/2012
your alternative would be to add 1,000,000 veterans to the workforce over five years...

about 75% of which were forced to take an early discharge
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CPAwADD
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10:07 PM on 02/16/2012
Military spending is the least efficient gov't spending in terms of stimulating employment.
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09:14 PM on 02/14/2012
The statement that large corporations are suffering from slower sales is a big myth. The economy will not recover for quite some time because supply and demand has not occurred in our so called capitalist system in 30 years. When demand falls prices should go down under the old rules. Under the new rules of coercion and price fixing the companies raise their prices continually to not just keep even with falling sales but to actual increase revenue while sales decline. Take this to it's natural conclution and the middle class gets picked off one ladder step at a time as present condition more then prove. These increases are also borned by our government placing an unsustainable burden on them and the average American while the wealthy take their bonuses and tax loopholes to the bank.

Capitalism did not fail us, Wealthy corporations and the rich failed capitalism and destroyed America from within. Thats the only way It could have happened..........
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sanfran55
01:05 AM on 02/15/2012
Capitalism has to be regulated, or the greedymeisters take over.
08:29 PM on 02/14/2012
Of course the economy can't come back as we have sent all our factories, jobs and technology offshore and hired cheap foreign labor for that which we could not deport. The economy has been going downhill since Clinton signed NAFTA, GATT and signed us up to the WTO but it was masked by bubble after bubble, aided by Greenspan. The wealth of a nation is its people and production and our 'people' no longer have that wealth - thanks to a very corrupt government from both political parties.
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09:51 PM on 02/14/2012
100% Correct...........
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ChasG
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11:25 PM on 02/14/2012
Not.
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ChasG
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11:24 PM on 02/14/2012
The economy did not slow down after NAFTA and GATT.  Manufacturing jobs peaked in the third year of the Carter presidency at about 19.5 million.  During the Reagan administration about 600,000 manufacturing jobs were lost.  During the G.H.W. Bush single term, over 1.25 million manufacturing jobs were lost, closing out his term at 16.7 million.  GATT was signed in 1947 when there were a little over 14 million manufacturing jobs.  At the beginning of the Clinton administration there were 16.79 million manufacturing jobs.  NAFTA was launched  eleven months later, January 1, 1994, at which time there were about 16.8 million manufacturing jobs.  Manufacturing jobs hit their last peak in 1998, over 17.6 million for the first half of the year, but had fallen to 17.1 million at the end of his term for a net gain of just over 300,000 jobs.  By the end of G.W. Bush's eight years in office, manufacturing jobs had fallen to just over 12.5 million, a loss of over 4.5 million manufacturing jobs.  Over 3 million of those jobs lost during the Bush administration were lost before the recession hit in 2007.  Manufacturing jobs hit bottom in January, 2010, at 11.5 million (another million lost at the tail end of the recession) and have since barely rebounded to an estimate between 11.8 and 11.9 million.

Manufacturing jobs actually grew for several years following NAFTA.  The history of manufacturing jobs shows they are extremely vulnerable to economic recessions, but also the most rapid loss of manufacturing jobs occurred during the G.W. Bush administration.  Recessions, and technology have had more to do with loss of manufacturing jobs than anything else.

Now, the real surprises:  The economy of the US is the largest in the world, comprising 1/4 of the entire world GDP.  As of last year, the US remained the world's largest manufacturer, producing 1/5 of the world's manufactured goods.

The real corruption has been the GOP tax policy of concentrating wealth at the top and destroying the middle class with tax increases in the form of increased social security and Medicare taxes over the past three decades, and increased state income and sales taxes as GOP policies have pushed off the costs of federal programs onto the states.  These are reversible trends, but only if you recognize the partisan differences in policy and vote for the party that represents and supports the middle class.
April22
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07:55 PM on 02/14/2012
And this is suppose to be a surprise turn of events, considering the countless millions of American who lost their jobs only to find scab wage jobs, with paychecks barely covering basic needs?!

Our federal government allowed the economy to collapse, despite the warnings.

Now what are we suppose to do, grin and bear it, as food and gasoline prices soar, utility bills continue to go up, and the prospect of having to do with less social safety nets for a daily growing number of Americans in need?!

Seriously, how much longer can we go on like this, as we read more and more of how our Washington leaders, lawmakers, and politicians are grossly failing us?!

Years, decades?!