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Greek Debt Deal: Violence Highlights Greece's Difficulty In Sticking To Bailout Deal

Greek Debt Deal

First Posted: 02/13/2012 3:29 am Updated: 02/13/2012 8:18 am


* Greek parliament passes unpopular package of cuts

* Papademos accepts implementation will be tough

* Violence, petrol bombs thrown

* World markets gain modestly

By Renee Maltezou and Harry Papachristou

ATHENS, Feb 13 (Reuters) - The Greek government was under pressure on Monday to convince a sceptical euro zone that it would stick to the terms of a multi-billion-euro rescue package endorsed by lawmakers despite violent protests.

Parliament backed drastic cuts in wages, pensions and jobs on Sunday as the price of a 130-billion-euro ($172 billion) bailout by the European Union and International Monetary Fund, as running battles between police and rioters in central Athens outside parliament drove home a sense of deepening crisis.

Firefighters on Monday doused the smouldering remains of cinemas, shops and banks set ablaze in the capital. It was the worst violence in years, and spread from Athens to Greece's second city of Thessaloniki and the islands of Crete and Corfu.

Euro zone finance ministers meet on Wednesday.

The fragile ruling coalition of Prime Minister Lucas Papademos has until then to say how 325 million euros of the 3.3 billion euros in budget savings will be achieved.

Brussels also wants written commitments from party leaders that they will implement the terms of the deal even after an election pencilled in for April.

But a recession, now in its fifth year, and two years of painful spending cuts have shaken the political establishment to its core.

Voters could be driven further to the left and right, straining EU confidence in whether Greece will hold the course.

First reaction from euro zone paymaster Germany was cautious.

"Now we need to wait and see what comes after the legislation," Economy Minister and deputy Prime Minister Philipp Roesler said on German television.

"We have taken one step in the right direction but we are still far from the goal," he said.




Critics on Monday said more austerity would only condemn the economy to an ever-deepening downward spiral.

"Yesterday's vote in the parliament may have saved the country temporarily from default, but the Greek economy is going bankrupt and the country's political system is failing," the head of the Greek Commerce Confederation, Vassilis Korkidis, said in a statement.

Papademos had warned of a "social explosion" if lawmakers rejected the deal and Greece defaulted next month. They passed it after 10 hours of fiery debate.

But the unrest outside, and a rebellion by 43 parliamentarians of the ruling coalition, suggested Athens might already be on the brink.


SHOCKWAVES

"The people yesterday sent a message: Enough is enough! They can't take it anymore," said Ilias Iliopoulos, general secretary of public sector union ADEDY.

The cuts include a 22 percent reduction in the minimum wage and 150,000 jobs from the public sector workforce by 2015.

Greece needs the international funds before March 20 to meet debt repayments of 14.5 billion euros, or suffer a chaotic default that would send shockwaves through the euro zone.

The deal provides for a bond swap to ease Greece's debt burden by cutting the real value of private-sector investors' bond holdings by some 70 percent.

Greece would have missed a Feb. 17 deadline to offer a debt "haircut" to private bondholders if the vote had not passed.

But the bill strained political loyalties and puts further pressure on the Papademos government.

A Greek government spokesman said that, "despite the problems, we will proceed with the implementation of our commitments."

But in comments that could further sow doubt in the minds of euro zone finance ministers, conservative New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras - a frontrunner to be the next prime minister - indicated Athens might yet try to renegotiate the deal.

"I am calling on you to vote for the new loan agreement because I want to avoid falling into the abyss, to restore stability," he told Sunday's parliamentary debate, "so that we can have the possibility tomorrow to negotiate and change the policy that is being imposed upon us today."

"We have to exist first to be able to change it."

Tens of thousands of people had filled Syntagma Square outside parliament on Sunday. The violence that erupted was the worst since 2008, when unrest gripped Greece for weeks after police shot a 15-year-old schoolboy.


MILD MARKET RELIEF

The rioters were a minority, but spoke to the groundswell of anger among Greeks who say their living standards are already collapsing and more austerity will only deepen their misery. Unemployment in Greece reached 20.9 percent in November, and half of young Greeks are jobless.

In all, 150 shops were looted in the capital and 48 buildings set ablaze. Some 100 people - including 68 police - were wounded and 130 detained, a police official said.

The Attikon cinema, housed in a neo-classical building dating from 1870, was left a blackened shell. Terrified Greeks and tourists fled the rock-strewn streets and the clouds of stinging teargas, cramming into hotel lobbies for shelter as lines of riot police struggled to contain the mayhem.

"When will we exit the crisis, why can't they just tell us when this will be over?" said 53-year-old Nikos Kourkoulos, a municipality gardener and father of two who has seen his monthly salary cut by 600 euros since 2008.

Asian shares and the euro gained modestly on Monday and MSCI's broadest index of Asia Pacific shares outside Japan edged up as much as 0.3 percent.

Relief saw bank shares lead European stocks higher.

Papademos, a technocrat brought in to get a grip on the crisis, said violence would not be tolerated, and acknowledged it might yet take time to impose the cuts on an angry nation.

Six members of his cabinet had resigned over the bill.

"The full, timely and effective implementation of the programme won't be easy," Papademos told parliament.

"We are fully aware that the economic programme means short-term sacrifices for the Greek people."

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redonthehead
Winning trophies for my game face alone
08:29 AM on 02/14/2012
Greece is the US in 15 years if not quicker. It will be the Chinese that will be dictating terms of the US bailout because they will be the only ones with enough money to bail us out. Of course the other option is that we become the Wiemar Republic and simply print our way out of debt. Keep spending Washington. Keep buying votes with borrowed money. Both sides do it.
03:23 AM on 02/14/2012
Well, when 1 in 4 people wrk for the government, retire at a young age, great pension, great benifits and social programs to not work for. This is what you get. The money has to run out eventually, especially since the 1 in 4 working for the government, produce no product at all.
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progressivestance84
The Right is Wrong.
11:39 PM on 02/13/2012
Let's face the reality of the situation worldwide. The bottom line is that technological advances have increased productivity and reduced the number of jobs. At the same time these advances have enabled the population to grow to around 6 billion people.

We are reaching a tipping point. There will not be enough good jobs to support 7 billion people in a world of finite resources.
sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
01:07 AM on 02/14/2012
Yup,good point. Been saying to the Misses for some time now, it's time to circle the wagons and keep our heads low.
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progressivestance84
The Right is Wrong.
01:14 AM on 02/14/2012
No its not. Now is the time to have a discussion how the world really works. Capitalism, Socialism, Conservatism, Liberalism, etc. etc. these are false ideologies. The only true ideology is survival.

We need to ask ourselves as citizens of the world if we are going to continue to prop up a system that bankrupts and impoverishes any country that it touches.

And yes I am talking about unrestrained capitalism. Capitalism is a fine idea. Markets are good. But when markets replace the state and the people it represents, it becomes a malignant force, a wreaking ball. It co opts everything.

the problem is that a balance must be achieved. I firmly believe that their are at least TRILLIONS in dollars of bad debts out there. The only way to solve this problem is to stop the peddling of endless debt securities.

"Our leaders" are just making things as they go along now.
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blndgenie
09:16 PM on 02/13/2012
In other news, today Moody's downgraded Italy and Portugal, and changed its outlook on France and the UK to negative. DANG that socialism is AWESOME! Owe bama is flooring it in his effort to catch up----that 'fundamental change' he promised in his campaign. GOOD TIMES!
12:03 AM on 02/14/2012
You can't blame it all on Socialism. You have to blame the government that borrowed too much and gave too much, and the banks who were smart enough to give all of that money away.
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BartRoberts
Vita canis, tum mors.
10:58 AM on 02/14/2012
And let's not forget those newly deregulated finanicial institutions that sold securities criminally marketed as AAA that were worth less than generic toilet paper.
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ipolitics123
What an excellent day for an exorcism.
08:04 PM on 02/13/2012
"What's the difference between America and Greece?"

"Eight months."
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stuart100s
I started with nothing, & still have most of it.
09:06 PM on 02/13/2012
I was going to say next November's election.
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
06:29 PM on 02/13/2012
The language has changed, but it's the same game… Greece has yet to actually do anything. It's all talk at this point. The only critical news you need to glean from today's action: The EU didn't revoke its Greek bailout package.

Greek's looming bailout deal has stolen the headlines for weeks, but let's not forget about Italy – another European time bomb. Last Friday, Standard & Poor's (S&P) downgraded 34 of Italy's 37 banks, including our favorite Italian economic bellwether, UniCredit… S&P cut the credit rating of Italy's largest bank from A to triple-B-plus.

"Italy's vulnerability to external financing risks has increased, given its high external public debt, resulting in Italian banks' significantly diminished ability to roll over their wholesale debt," S&P said in a separate statement on the country's financial industry. "We anticipate persistently weak profitability for Italian banks in the next few years."
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ipolitics123
What an excellent day for an exorcism.
08:10 PM on 02/13/2012
And all the PIIGS debt ratios are actually going UP, instead of DOWN. Their economies are collapsing faster than they can pay off the debt.

Stay tuned for more exciting riot footage from Madrid, Rome, Barcelona, etcetera....
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Jerry Bourbon
06:13 PM on 02/13/2012
Greece spends TEN BILLION dollars a year on the military. 4% of GDP.

Abolish the Army, and you have just about paid off March's loans.
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06:35 PM on 02/13/2012
Who does Greece buy most of its weapons from...Germany.
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Jerry Bourbon
06:56 PM on 02/13/2012
So?
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ipolitics123
What an excellent day for an exorcism.
08:06 PM on 02/13/2012
And in April they can abolish ... what?

BZZZZZT! Wrong. Thanks for playing.
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05:02 PM on 02/13/2012
so the OAS ( Occupy Athens Scrounges ) are actually exposing our own beloved scrounges as the epitome of elitist self entitled sloth they are
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WebbieGuru
I could write a program that is better @ governing
04:11 PM on 02/13/2012
Germany might be preaching austerity, but their government still provides universal free healthcare and higher education.

Wish American could get on board with that ...
05:26 PM on 02/13/2012
Sorry, what has one to do with the other?

Let me start like this: I still do think that "austerity" is a fighting word ... but it's not defined in any, even remotely fathomable sense.

Besides that, we did have an "austerity package" in Germany, too (didn't really have any impact; inconsequential). It at least was threefold: cuts, tax hikes and streamlining administration spending upon itself.

The point about that all was this: The only one field of government spending not only exempted from cuts but where on purpose spending was increased was "research and education".

No one in Germany does question at all Greece's "free health care" ("health care" in Europe isn't free; but no one questions the idea that all citizens are entitled to receive all necessary medical help necessary, paid by the public).

Similarly, I never heard any complaints in Germany that Greek (or any other European pupils) should not have access to free education. Actually, for most Germans, the concept of tuition fees is offensive.

There are many items in the Greek budget (starting with their military spending) that are more than questionable. And - at the national bottom line - they employ too many public servants with a much too high salary. At least, in the light of their revenues.
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Richard Bartholomew
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02:12 AM on 02/14/2012
'... "health care" in Europe isn't free ...'

Thank you for emphasising that. Many people need to be severely beaten about the head and shoulders with that fact before it sinks in---if it ever does.

'... but no one questions the idea that all citizens are entitled to receive all necessary medical help necessary, paid by the public ...'

That's not quite correct. For instance:

'FDP will gesetzliche Krankenkassen abschaffen

'Die FDP will mit der Forderung nach einer umfassenden Neuordnung der Krankenversicherung in den Bundestagswahlkampf ziehen. Die Partei strebt eine Pflicht zur Versicherung für alle Bürger bei privaten Anbietern an. Die Bundesärztekammer sieht in dem Vorschlag eine mögliche Alternative zum Gesundheitsfonds. ...'
-- http://www.welt.de/politik/article3172038/FDP-will-gesetzliche-Krankenkassen-abschaffen.html
05:27 PM on 02/13/2012
To explain my position with a fictitious thought (it's not - to my knowledge - reality in Greece):
It's entirely fair if Greece thinks that classes in primary school shouldn't be larger than ten pupils. And they want to have the best of teachers, so they pay salaries to teachers that tempt the best graduates to pursue a career in teaching. That is IMO a very applaudable and achievable idea.
BUT if that is the wish of all Greeks, then first and foremost all Greeks have to pay for that. They cannot say: Grand idea, but please, have the rest of Europe finance that. You cannot expect that for example France, after paying transfers to Greece, doesn't have enough money left to provide the French with the very same conditions.
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05:34 PM on 02/13/2012
Wow...what a completely disingenuous argument. Greece buys billions of euros in weapons from Germany financed by German banks. Unbelievable. Gernmany is the great benefactor of the euro and somehow poor Germany is victimized...What a crock. Face it Germany is imposing conditions on nations just as if they were occupied. Get real.
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Richard Bartholomew
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02:20 AM on 02/14/2012
... but no one questions the idea that all citizens are entitled to receive all necessary medical help necessary, paid by the public ...'

'... then first and foremost all Greeks have to pay for that. They cannot say: Grand idea, but please, have the rest of Europe finance that.'

So in the first instance, some Germans being bullied into bankrolling things that other Germans want is Friede, Freude, Eierkuchen, but in the second, it's suddenly knallharter Kapitalismus. Don't you sense a certain dissonance here?
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WebbieGuru
I could write a program that is better @ governing
03:59 PM on 02/13/2012
Austerity has never solved a financial crisis. Economies recover either with increased government spending or a regime change.
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BartRoberts
Vita canis, tum mors.
11:00 AM on 02/14/2012
When you've had a de facto criminal class at the head of government, then regime change is the correct alternative.
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NJP1
03:29 PM on 02/13/2012
It’s not just the Greeks who have a problem; we’ve all built our lifestyle on an assumption of infinite supplies of cheap hydrocarbon energy. You may think we live in a complex society, but things really very simple: we just take stuff out of the ground (coal oil and gas) and rework it into ‘stuff’ we need, sell it to each other, and hopefully make a profit in doing so. 10 years ago oil was around $25 a barrel, now it’s $100 but we try to run our commercial system as if oil was still cheap. The Greeks borrowed money on the assumption, forgetting the immutable law of debt, that it can only be repaid out of future prosperity.
They assumed that prosperity would come from somewhere, so they just borrowed more money and called it GDP. but there’s no prosperity, and in true Micawber fashion: they have misery.
This isn’t confined to Greece. The USA is also borrowing like crazy, to pay the interest on its loans, while millions rely on government aid for food and warmth, on the delusion that prosperity for all will return. As with the Greeks, it won’t. A fully armed population, with 44million on food aid is going to make the current mayhem in Greece look like backyard target practice, Burning buildings is an act of desperation, it only makes our energy-depleted future more certain as the struggle for what’s left wrecks what we have.
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05:39 PM on 02/13/2012
I read a report around 2004 that stated that around 2010 that the world economy would hit a growth ceiling created by the availability of energy resources, namely oil. The report went something like, from the time oil resources can no longer fuel economic growth the economy of the world will lurch from one recession to the next with brief periods of growth, but always in a downward trend. In 2008 we had one of the biggest economic crisis the world has seen, and we are still feeling its effects now. I've read some convincing articles which explain the 2008 crisis was actually caused by lack of oil.
It would appear that the prediction was correct, and if so then we can look forward to an increasingly bleak future. Society is undergoing a major change and the old rules don't apply!
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rigslip
I've been to hell and back
03:19 PM on 02/13/2012
Quote from the article..."Greece needs the international funds before March 20 to meet debt repayments of 14.5 billion euros, or suffer a chaotic default that would send shockwaves through the euro zone."
Get ready for a shock wave because borrowing money for repayment of money you already borrowed and spent, is only delaying and making the problem worse..
There is no fix for Greece, sadly.
04:19 PM on 02/13/2012
Yes there is it's called inflation and having your own currency. Yes the banks and bondholders take a soaking but that is the risk for their profits. Then germany and france can discuss if they want to bail out their banks.
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Jerry Bourbon
06:07 PM on 02/13/2012
Why not. Printing money has worked SO WELL!!! in Zimbabwe. Let's do it in Greece.

Question. You can buy oil from the Arabs with Euros. Do you think the Arabs will take new (and worthless) drachmas?
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wayne the pain
03:17 PM on 02/13/2012
This is just the beginning. Technology is making it impossible for the super rich to contine to heap poverty on the masses while they continue to live in opulence! The elite will learn as the Czars learned once the spark lights the fuse all hell breaks loose. In the world there are too many well educated people being denied a middle class life style to maintain the status quo. If it can't be done peacefully history tells us it we be done violently. The result of the violence is often as bad as what existed before. Need I say the Soviet Union!
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LINY01
Kind Thoughts lead to Kind Words
03:14 PM on 02/13/2012
As people wake up to the present economic reality, there will be increasingly organized moves toward civil disobedience and alternative economy. “Cannot pay†will merge with “will not pay†since the only way to re-establish health and integrity in a corrupted economic system is to starve the cancers that have taken it over.

This has already started with Occupy Wall Street, strategic defaults, and now Greece.
03:06 PM on 02/13/2012
Sacrifices for the elite of Greece
World Bank is major culprit here.
Payday loan anybody