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Electric Car Rebates Would Increase To $10,000 Under Obama Budget

Electric Car Rebates

First Posted: 02/15/2012 5:06 pm Updated: 02/15/2012 5:06 pm

President Obama's proposed Fiscal Year 2013 budget includes a new provision for hybrid and electric car tax credits that would broaden the program, increase the rebate in some cases to $10,000 and change the way the money is doled out.

It's part of the president's plan to put one million electric and hybrid vehicles on the road by 2015. Currently, hybrid and electric-car buyers can get a $2,500 to $7,500 rebate, depending on the size of the car's battery. The bigger, more innovative the battery, the higher the tax rebate.

The tax credit also broadens the range of cars that would be eligible for the rebate. And it eliminates a rule that caps the number of cars eligible for the credits by manufacturer. Under current rules, buyers of popular vehicles like the Toyota Prius sometimes don't qualify for the tax credit because the automaker has already sold too many qualifying cars.

The moves "will help increase production of advanced vehicles that diversify our fuel use and bring down the cost of producing such vehicles," the proposed budget said.

There's another change in the plan that may end up benefiting car dealers and not consumers. The tax credit will go directly to the person selling the car, not the person buying the car; dealers will then ostensibly pass the savings on to consumers. The Obama administration says that change will help streamline the process and will ensure consumers don't end up losing out on the benefit because they aren't sure how to tabulate it on their taxes.

The administration said dealers will be required to disclose to consumers that they've received the rebate.

Rebates for electric and hybrid cars have been controversial. While automakers have argued in favor of the rebates, saying they help stimulate demand, critics charge that the people buying those vehicles would do so even if they didn't get a financial push.

"The people who are buying these vehicles today are demographically very well off," said Jeremy Anwyl, vice chairman of consumer web site Edmunds.com. "They're buying these vehicles because they're passionate about them … They would buy these vehicles whether there was a rebate or not."

Indeed, General Motors has said the average Chevy Volt buyer makes $175,000 a year. The Volt is GM's advanced hybrid car, which operates solely on battery power for about 40 miles until a gas-powered generator kicks in to keep the engine running.

About 20 percent of Volt buyers trade in a luxury car, and another 20 percent trade in a Toyota Prius, the company said.

Nissan's all-electric Leaf also attracts a wealthy crowd: the average household income of owners is $140,000.

But there isn't huge demand for either car. Out of the 12.8 million cars and trucks sold in 2011, just 7,671 Volts and 9,674 Leafs were purchased.

"Those are miniscule numbers," Anwyl said. "If we keep focusing on pushing electric cars on people and not on making compelling cars people want to buy, that's a mistake."

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President Obama's proposed Fiscal Year 2013 budget includes a new provision for hybrid and electric car tax credits that would broaden the program, increase the rebate in some cases to $10,000 and cha...
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08:11 PM on 02/28/2013
These people are dumb how could an average person making under 60,000 a year buy a car that costs 35000. These rebates would help out alot more people and for those who think obama is helping gm well yeah he is but also all the other companies that sell hybrids and electric cars and I'm pretty sure that is spreading the wealth not a facists.
11:01 AM on 03/18/2013
Relax, the $10,000 number mentioned in this (old) article never came to pass.

Instead we still have the $7500 electric car tax rebate - which was enacted by Bush back in 2008. Obama had nothing to do with it.

As for "Average" people affording a $35,000 car, some versions of the Ford F-150 pickup sell for as much as $50,000. And the F-150 is the most popular vehicle in America. Somehow Americans are affording this and lots of other expensive cars.

Where is the outrage over the dozens and dozens of other expensive cars on sale in America? At least electric cars will compensate for high car payments with low fueling bills.
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08:52 AM on 11/22/2012
This guy from Edmunds has no clue. Rebates reduce teh cost and widen the buyer pool, Period. The era of EV fascination is done and now we are in a new era.
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Cyberfox
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09:47 AM on 05/22/2012
This is fascism at its finest. GM lines Obama's campaign coffers and Obama pushes laws and policies which give GM an unfair advantage over the competition. Just like Hitler did in Nazi Germany....
10:05 PM on 07/19/2012
Oh, wise person, and how is that?
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02:44 AM on 02/24/2013
I see they didn''t respond. I would like to hear that myself. Must be researching or trying to come up with some more non-sense. Huh.
06:06 PM on 05/10/2012
The Prius did not sell well in the first two years either. Only about 18,000 in 97 & 98 prius were sold in the world. The first year they came to US was the year 2000, only sold about $6000 and in 2001 they sold 15,600 Prius. In 2002 they sold 20,000 so It takes time for people to see the car and then see that it is practical. I drive a Leaf and proud to own the first Leaf in New York. l get asked every day by someone at a red light or when i am parked how the car is... i tell the my honest opinion and i don't say its the best car in the world... i tell them it gives me 70 miles per one charge and i drive it a 100 miles per day often... i also tell them wait for the 2013 leaf because that will charge to full in just 4 hours... it becomes alot more practical... Give it 5 years and you will be buying one your self. I also tell them it costs me 1.68 cents per 50 miles compared to 3.89 cents for 87 octane gas for the current Prius. I love this car and it keeps on giving the more i drive it. The reason the price is so high at the moment is because its new... give it 5 years the same car should be worth Half.
02:12 AM on 02/22/2012
How about a rebate on a McMansion as well and then wonder why poor people don't take advantage of the rebate? Duh. It's a tax cut for the rich... the only people who can afford a $50,000 car.
That's more money than poor people spend on housing. If the car companies wanted to sell electric cars, they would make them in an affordable price range, but obviously they are in cahoots with the oil barons. The life of a car or the battery only lasts so long. If the price doesn't come down, then it won't make sense for consumers since even $5/gallon gas with their gas guzzler 1980 Bronco with a rebuilt engine will be cheaper than a $50k car with a $10k rebate that you have to negotiate with the dealer to pass on the savings. Rebates only help people that already have money to spend. What poor people need is inexpensive transportation to work and back, and when you are working for every dollar, the price has to come first.
10:41 AM on 03/07/2012
No conspiracy theory required, the cars simply cost a lot to engineer and manufacture and the prices reflect that. I do agree that the rebate is a poor idea.
05:52 PM on 05/10/2012
I am not rich and i shelled out the money for a Leaf... It costs me $5000 down and $520 per month after the rebate.the price includes the charger and installation and NY state tax plus interest on the loan. I have driven it 7500 miles since Jan 18th. I pay 1.68 for every 50 miles I drive and a Prius takes 3.80 to 4.00 with the 87 octane price per gal. So i save 50% over a Prius and $450 dollars a month compared to my 2003 Maxima. I only pay $110 a month in car insurance compared to $250 monthly BMW 3 series. This car has a great ride... This car is only costs $10 for the yearly inspection not $37 dollars it has super low maintenance... no oil changes, transmission fluid changes only thing it needs is wheels tires brakes suspension and coolant change once every 60 thousand miles, which saves me even more compared to a Prius. So please dont tell me i am rich and dont tell me this car isnt practical i am a living example i have driven this car an average of 70 miles per day... and as for the $50000 number a bronco that u drive 22000 miles a year will easily cost you $5000 dollars a year in gas in ten years that equals $50,000.
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06:21 PM on 02/20/2012
Small potatoes. Once upon a time, you could get a $25,000 tax credit for a Hummer! Come on Obama, you can do better than that!!! (LOL)
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bilbobuggins
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06:28 PM on 04/13/2012
Say what? He's gotta start thinking more like GWB???(LOLWY)
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03:30 PM on 02/20/2012
Even with the rebates, people aren't buying these cars the way President Obama hoped.

General Motors said that the average yearly income of those who are buying the Volt is $175,000.

Why does The President/GM hate poor people?
07:40 PM on 09/02/2012
Lease deals on Volt run from $125/month (2012 models) up to $275/mo for the 2013 model.

That's not unaffordable. Gasoline is what's priced for the wealthy. I save $150/month in my Volt by running on cheap grid electricity versus gasoline.

Here's a $125 Volt lease deal:
http://www.imakenews.com/lesstanford/e_article002508271.cfm?x=blt5bgM,bqMrGfRW

Volt also set a sales record for August, over 2,500 cars in the US, plus close to 1,000 overseas. So far, Volt's 1st and 2nd years US sales figures are beating Prius 1st and 2nd year US sales.

Volt will become a best seller in a few years, just like Prius.
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CapitalGhost
Leaders don’t blame others for their failures
03:25 PM on 02/20/2012
A country full of electric cars/trucks - sounds great until one EMP (natural or man made) or other disasters puts them all out of service.
01:28 PM on 02/28/2012
Modern gas cars are equally unable to run with their electronics fried, Einstein.
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MrEnergyCzar
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07:55 PM on 02/17/2012
I've driven 4,700 miles on 7.7 gallons with my Volt. I love not giving a weekly oil dictator allowance anymore...save a soldier, drive a Volt.

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wtf is this
It depends.
11:18 PM on 02/18/2012
Love that slogan -- Chevy should use that in a commercial.

Besides not having to buy gas, how are you liking the volt? Anything you don't like?
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CapitalGhost
Leaders don’t blame others for their failures
03:20 PM on 02/20/2012
Hope you don't lose power in your area.
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Fracuss
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06:51 PM on 04/03/2012
A Volt will run entirely on gasoline with no plug in recharge.
Know your cars.
Put that in your pipe and puff it.
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cheaptrick00
socialism = spending OTHERS money!!!
04:22 AM on 02/17/2012
ah the Edmunds guy is full of BS...I'm considering a hybrid but I'm waiting until this "rebate" issue is resolved...and I'm not demographically challenged
01:58 AM on 02/17/2012
Put some desent models on the market for between 10 +15,000.00 and the numbers will clime a lot!
The biggest problem with EV/hybrids is the overblown price. If 90% of your driving is back and forth to work. 10 - 20 miles, why wouldn't an EV be good for you? It would be for ME. Beef up the electric motor in a Honda civic hybrid, and sell it at a REASONABLE price for MOST consummers, as a for instance. Put in an oversize alternator turned by a lawnmower engine, and it can charge itself if needed. We have the tech, we can do it.
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Hunter3203
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03:02 PM on 02/16/2012
When is this subsidy race going to stop. EVs are and will remain a niche vehicle for years to come. Throwing money at buyers will not solve the problems. They have serious range and price issues that no one has yet solved. Almost every ICE(internal combustion engine) vehicle has a range of at leat 300 miles and can be refueled in a matter of minutes. Current battery technology not only has power density limitations, they are also quite expensive. Let's invest in continued research because unless/until there is a battery breakthrough, EVs are a waste of taxpayer dollars.
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wtf is this
It depends.
11:20 PM on 02/18/2012
We're still subsidizing oil companies. Either stop all subsidies or level the playing field.
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Hunter3203
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01:29 AM on 02/19/2012
I don't have a problem subsidizing basic research. In fact that's exactly what needs to happen. Building an EV is actually easier than building an ICE vehicle. If we had a viable battery technology, EVs would rapidly replace ICE cars. So that's where we should be spending our money, solve the basic problem. Right now, lithium-ion is state of the art. Guess what, we have to import lithium. Are we really solving our problems if we replace imported oil with imported lithium?
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wtf is this
It depends.
11:21 PM on 02/18/2012
How are you proposing paying for the R&D?
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Hunter3203
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12:28 AM on 02/19/2012
I don't have a problem with government funding basic research. Unfortunately, there seems to be a rush to field this technology. California is again proposing that manufacturers be required to sell EVs in order to be able to sell other cars in the state. My issue is that current technology requires too many sacrafices for EVs to be considered a viable alternative for the majority of the public. How many people are willing to pay more for something that does substantially less than the alternative?
02:22 PM on 02/16/2012
The bigger the rebate, the more inflamed the price of the car will become. At this rate American EVs will cease to ever become competitive with EVs built elsewhere.
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12:33 PM on 02/16/2012
The dealers hate electric cars, they never need valve jobs, oil changes, or carb adjustments. It was the dealers that actually killed the electric car.
Batteries get recycled, the lithium and metals are re-used. Batteries coupled with super capacitors are being used to extend the range. Twenty years from now we will be used to them, and will love the quiet power and greatly reduced pollution. An electric car running on coal fired electricity (which is the dirty-est electricity) produces one fifth of the pollution per mile, than a gasoline powered car. Water, solar and wind powered electrics are much cleaner than the coal powered cars.
02:28 PM on 02/16/2012
Although, right now there's a ramped up campaign by electric-car haters that says that electric cars that power up from coal power plants create more pollution than gasoline cars. You are correct, that is true in the US, where there are precipitators on the smokestacks of US coal plants to prevent as much as possible the discharge of suspended particulates.

Unfortunately, this is not the case in other countries where there are not such regulations, so, in places like China, it is possible that some electric cars may net more pollution from suspended particulates than gas cars if these cars were charged from coal burning plants, even if the net energy consumption was less.
05:15 PM on 02/16/2012
You do have a point - China gets over 90% of its electricity from coal, while the figure here in the US is around 45%.

However, there's a reason that electric cars can never be as dirty as gasoline ones: Gasoline uses electricity, too.

It takes from 6 to 9 kilowatt-hours of electricity and other energy to process and refine a single gallon of gasoline. Mile-for-mile, that's about the same amount of electricity electric cars use.

Gasoline PLUS electricity is clearly dirtier than plain electricity.
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12:25 PM on 02/16/2012
If they took away the oil company subsidies, it would help to level the playing field. Electric cars are the way of the future, it does not take much study to make that clear.