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Greek Debt Crisis: Greek Finance Minister Says Many In The Eurozone 'Don't Want Us Any More'

Greek Debt Crisis

GABRIELE STEINHAUSER and ELENA BECATOROS   02/15/12 07:13 PM ET  AP

BRUSSELS — European finance ministers insisted Wednesday on much tighter oversight of Greece's spending and austerity efforts, despite politicians' assurances that Athens will go ahead with promised cuts and reforms to secure a euro130 billion ($170 billion) bailout.

Following a 3 1/2 hour conference call between the finance chiefs of the 17 countries that use the euro, the ministers welcomed the debt-ridden country's declaration that it had identified another euro325 million ($470 million) in cuts on top of the layoffs of thousands of public workers and other wage and pension cuts.

They also greeted written commitments from leaders of the two Greek parties that make up the coalition government to implement the promised cuts and reforms even if there is a change in power after elections expected in April.

But in a sign of deep distrust that has built up – especially among rich nations like Germany, the Netherlands and Finland – Jean-Claude Juncker, the prime minister of Luxembourg who also chairs the finance ministers' meetings, said the eurozone needed better ways to track Greek spending before new aid could be released.

"Further considerations are necessary" to ensure better surveillance of Greek finances, Juncker said, stressing that the new oversight had to ensure "priority is given to debt servicing."

Juncker's statement refers to a recent proposal by France and Germany to set up an account, separate from Greece's general budget, that would be dedicated to paying off Greece's massive debt. It was unclear whether this account would only manage the bailout money or whether government revenue could also be funneled into it.

Such an account would give the eurozone more control over what Greece does with its money, after the country has repeatedly missed budget, reform and privatization targets over the past two years. However, it could also be seen as an unprecedented interference into the fiscal affairs of a sovereign state.

The European Commission, which is in charge of economic surveillance in the European Union, is now working on a specific proposal for such an escrow account, which will be present to the ministers at a meeting on Monday.

In Athens, Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said a combination of the country's written pledges, Parliament's passage of the austerity measures with a two-thirds majority and labor reform legislation were "a credible response to all those in Europe who doubt our ability to implement the program and to continue its implementation after the coming elections."

But a German government official described the conference call as "intense and at times very technical." He said the participants received information on some of the debated topics only minutes before the call started, "which because of the short notice couldn't be verified and evaluated in detail."

The official said no minister challenged the idea that surveillance had to be strengthened and that paying off Greece's debts should have priority. He was speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the confidential discussion between ministers.

Despite rumors that the bailout could be delayed until after the elections, Juncker said he expected the finance ministers "to be able to take all the necessary decisions" at their next meeting on Monday.

Finance ministers held their conference call amid doubts in some countries over whether the euro130 billion package of rescue loans, which comes on top of a euro110 billion bailout granted in May 2010, can ultimately save recession-ridden Greece.

The second bailout is also tied to a euro100 billion debt-relief deal with bondholders, under which the private creditors will swap the bonds they hold for ones with lower values and longer maturity dates.

Greece needs to secure the bailout before next month or it risks defaulting on a euro14.5 billion bond redemption in late March.

Venizelos said the country's austerity targets this year were clarified during Wednesday's conference call. But he added that the discussion also focused on the political and social situation in Greece, where two years of harsh cuts have led to frequently violent demonstrations.

In an appeal for unity among political parties and society in general, Venizelos insisted that austerity was the only possible way forward.

"Those who support ... another solution, but don't say what that solution is, or those who support a solution of an exit from the euro, return to the drachma, a solution of a default, are not offering any help to the Greek citizen," he said. "Those who criticize us because we are taking difficult decisions by cutting salaries and pensions, or reducing income and living standards, do not understand that with their reaction, their blind and myopic reaction, they are endangering the income, the pensions, the salaries, living standards which can suddenly collapse."

It is not only from within Greece that there is opposition to the country's bailout program.

Some European politicians have grown tired of Greece repeatedly missing budget targets and failing to implement promised cuts, reforms and sales of state assets. There are also concerns that the second bailout may not be enough to lift Greece out of its steep recession – its economy shrank 7 percent in the final quarter of 2011 from a year earlier – and leave it with a manageable debt load.

"There are many in the eurozone who don't want us any more," Venizelos told the country's president, Karolos Papoulias, earlier in the day.

Greece, Venizelos added, had to persuade the skeptics that the country could stay in the currency union and regain lost ground in reforming its economy.

"We are facing a situation that is particular because we are constantly being given new terms and conditions," he said.

In Berlin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, sharply rejected a question about market rumors that Germany has decided a Greek bankruptcy is acceptable.

"I can say very clearly for the German government that these rumors are wrong – there is no such decision by Germany," he said.

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Becatoros reported from Athens, Greece. Derek Gatopoulos and Nicholas Paphitis in Athens, Geir Moulson in Berlin and Raf Casert in Brussels contributed.

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Skeetshooter
Artist, writer, provocateur
06:44 AM on 02/16/2012
With the help of sleazy Goldman Sachs accountants, Greece lied it's way into the EU, and they're getting what they deserve. Now, if only the same could be said for Goldman Sachs...
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bobbyar410
Ree legion is, to keep poor away from money
12:57 PM on 02/16/2012
Greece lied?

Greece were building Parthenon's when blodd thirsty Goldmans were swing for tree to a tree.
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rjhuntington
left is right and right is wrong
04:59 AM on 02/16/2012
Anyone notice that the bankers replaced democracy in Greece and Italy this past year? Hello? anyone home? Anyone paying attention? Hello???
03:43 AM on 02/16/2012
It is not Germany's fault that Greek politicians just milk the lower incomes with their measures. Around 2000 rich families in Greece own about 80 % of the wealth, a lot of money already in foreign accounts. The Greek political elite is too coward to make a cut where it would hurt these folks. Public jobs are cut but guess what ? It is only the jobs with the lowest incomes that have to go. They are not even able to establish a system that would make people pay their taxes properly. I can understand the Greeks rioting, however they should address their anger at those who are responsible, their own corrupt political elite.
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
04:37 AM on 02/16/2012
Alternately, the Greeks dear elected representatives could restrict their spending to no more than they're able to collect in taxes. If the Greek electorate isn't content with the result---tough darts.
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bobbyar410
Ree legion is, to keep poor away from money
01:05 PM on 02/16/2012
Not long ago Colognes anchestors were butchering and making soaps out of your prople.

HOW EASY YOU PEOPLE FORGET!
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lunarsnare
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06:03 AM on 02/16/2012
In Germany it is estimated that about 50% of the economy particularly in the trades is under the table a.k.a. Schwarzarbeit, loosely translated as black work.
This is a direct result of over regulation, multiple over taxation and bureaucracy forcing increasing numbers of small business and self employed out of taxpaying occupations to work underground for cash whilst concurrently relying on welfare to make ends meet .
Creating a situation where it is too expensive to work.
In the past decade this also further decreased learning positions in the trades for young people which is also state supervised and regulated.
Forcing a whole generation of young German people not privileged to higher education into low wage menial no future  “ mini jobs” paying between 350 to 400,- as month with no upward mobility.
This again is a windfall for the German corporate elite who profit immensely from the armies of low wage workers staffing their assembly lines.  
In that department Germany has increasingly become just like Greece.
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Vapula
Failure is not an option
01:19 AM on 02/16/2012
Not only do they not want you in the euro they don't want you in the EU.
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
01:11 AM on 02/16/2012
'But in a sign of deep distrust that has built up – especially among rich nations like Germany, the Netherlands and Finland ...'

Ha! Politicians lying to politicians! What goes around, comes around.
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Aristarchy
Medicine left in a bottle cannot heal
10:32 PM on 02/15/2012
WHEN WILL THY COME OUT IN TOGA,S ?
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Aristarchy
Medicine left in a bottle cannot heal
10:31 PM on 02/15/2012
loans, the drugs of EUROPE
give me another fix
10:06 PM on 02/15/2012
Greece NOT NOW wanted ??? THEY were NEVER wanted,it was know their financial situation was bad before being allowed to join that corrupt club, yet those money grabbing corrupt euro MP"s allowed them to join thinking it was another easy country to rip off, little knowing just how bad things really were,so they pumped billions of euro"s into their inferstucture,& now because of total mismanagement are demanding more,their income is 90% tourism,which now is non existant due to the troubles,made even worse by the extensive damage to their buildings,which will cost millions to repair,which I suppose they will expect the "EU" to foot that bill as well !!,I for one do not even wish to belong to that corrupt,theiving,control freak crappy club,& certainly DO NOT want OUR public tax"s paid into some Greek bank just to be frittered away by a load of incompitants !! WE joined the EEC for trading purposes,NOT THE "EU" which is not only interested in fiancial domination but also world domination,giving Brussels outright control over the "EU" member countries,as has been seen by their directives regarding OUR inabiliy to deport known terrorists,including illegals,even our traffic laws (MOT"s) are now under their control,& this is only the start !! SO let get the FCUK OUT NOW !!! before its tooo late !! & let Greece be someone elses problem "WE have enough of our own !!!
10:00 PM on 02/15/2012
There is blame enough to go around in this situation, but Greek citizens who flagrantly evaded paying taxes need to see the chaos that kind of irresponsibility creates. It was always the role of "someone else" to foot the bill for running the country. This, from the birthplace of democracy. How very disappointing.
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wannabefree
Nation & People First
08:25 PM on 02/15/2012
I hate to see these people burning and destroying the buildings. Who is going to pay to build these back, EU or other countries. people are so used to easy work, and they never question the policies or about their future
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wannabefree
Nation & People First
08:22 PM on 02/15/2012
Greece never disclosed their true financial situation when they entered the EU. Then slowly let the cat out of the bag. They do not have nothing of an income except for the tourism. Most of the Greeks are public employees earning salaries of triple the amount more than the private sector. Obviously they can't sustain it and of course EU cannot support them with perpetual loan to pay the public workers. Politicians did not care, they created this mess, without any infrastructure.
problem with public workers is they get salary increase without any accountability of their performance like private sectors. We had to account for what we did for the year to get our increase. Same thing happening here, where governmentnand state employees are getting their increases without having to answer about their performance.
EU has no choice to drop them, in fact they should have allowed them to default, and restructure the economy, and Greece should have gone back to their currency than euro. They should develop a manufacturing economy. It's sad, but politicians of the past and present dug this grave for the people
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lunarsnare
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08:54 PM on 02/15/2012
Actually it was EU auditors in Brussels who adjusted (cooked) the books for Greece to help them gain entry.
Greece was like a beautiful Mediterranean Cherry ready for popping.
And not all the juice is squeezed out yet , thus the “ bailouts” must continue until she’s done.

It’s a condition of the bailouts that a large portion of the bailout money goes straight to German banks for arms deals they bribed Greek officials into making with German weapon’s manufacturers the moment they entered into the EU.
Making it impossible for Greece to use the bailout funds to rebuilt their economy.

Don’t be surprised when Germany starts asking for Greek land, particularly water front property.
There was already talk of that.
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jacksdad41
Quant Je Puis
09:29 PM on 02/15/2012
Spot on again @lunarsnare - just a beutiful cherry in the Med, why oh why was it not just left that way?
10:02 PM on 02/15/2012
Ah, so there is "value" in something other than the current "currency" in question. Why does it always come back to the military industrial political complex?
01:26 AM on 02/16/2012
Well said and so very true.
wes
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timiam
Resist the Empire
08:19 PM on 02/15/2012
Welcome to the world where banks own everything including governments. This is a result of WTO, free trade, the IMF, World Bank and the international financial cartels, GS etc.We will be seeing many more European nations plundered while being pushed into austerity with Greece. They were better off before being lumped into the EU. They will default and their adjustment will be harsh but they will come out sovereign and independant. Small is beautiful and we must think local, its the only way to survive the big greed.
08:09 PM on 02/15/2012
I can understand why - they're always burning things.




(Sygnomi, Arianna, alla oi Ellinoi einai trelloi...)
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trespanieli
08:05 PM on 02/15/2012
The Greeks should have been beware of Goldman Sachs and other fraudsters bearing gifts. Guess the folks spewing hatred towards Greece now will be standing in line to spew at Italy, Portugal and Ireland. In case you've forgotten they're in trouble too, aren't they?
01:31 AM on 02/16/2012
Sorry to say, but we are all in trouble
to a more, or lesser degree.
It wil take years, too repair our economy.
wes
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RickinBoca
Thats my opinion and I could be...
08:04 PM on 02/15/2012
Greece should issue arrest warrants for all of the banksters at Goldman, UBS and other criminal financial organizations.

Then refuse to pay, like Iceland, and give tourists a break to encourage spending.