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President Obama Birth Control Compromise Divides Catholic Leaders

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First Posted: 02/15/2012 5:56 pm Updated: 02/16/2012 8:29 am

When President Barack Obama first announced the federal rule requiring most faith-based employers to pay for contraception health coverage, most Roman Catholic groups geared for battle. But prominent progressive Catholics broke with Catholic bishops and Republican lawmakers on the issue Wednesday, saying Obama had won them over when he revised the rules to allow faith-based institutions to opt out of providing the coverage.

Stephen Schneck, director of Catholic University of America's Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies, stood shoulder to shoulder with university President John Garvey against Obama's initial decision, which would have required Catholic schools to provide contraception coverage with no co-pay to employees against its religious teachings. Schneck told reporters on Wednesday that he "worked as hard as [he] could to get the administration to pay attention" to the concerns of the Catholic bishops and expand the religious exemption.

The revised rule Obama announced Friday, which shifts the cost of contraceptive coverage to insurers when the faith-based employer morally objects, has "by and large resolved" his religious liberty concerns, Schneck said.

"The announcement on Friday creates mechanisms to create even greater distance between Catholic institutions and contraception," Schneck said. "I feel completely satisfied." He said he still has some concerns about self-insured religious groups, but believed the Obama administration would find a fair way to resolve that issue.

Schneck said he was "definitely not" speaking on behalf of his employer, Catholic University. "I've discerned to speak differently than my president in that regard," he said.

His boss, the university president, was a vocal opponent of the initial birth control rule. Garvey signed a letter calling Obama's compromise "a cheap accounting trick" and will testify against it at a congressional hearing on religious liberty on Thursday.

Sister Anne Curtis, a spokeswoman for the 3,800-member religious order Sisters of Mercy of the Americas, also broke with her superiors, the Catholic clergy, on the issue. "We were pleased when adjustments were made in the new requirements that would ensure conscience protections for religious institutions such as ourselves," she said.

The Catholic bishops, traditionally more conservative than nuns on women's health issues, wholly reject the president's accommodation, arguing that self-insured religious employers will still be forced to pay for contraception. They want the mandate rescinded in its entirety, so that even a Catholic person who owns a non-religious business can refuse to cover contraception for his or her employees.

The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a law firm that protects the interests of religious groups, used the same arguments as Planned Parenthood opponents, saying that "money is fungible." Many religious organizations may still object to paying an insurance company that will provide contraception to its employees for free, even if the employer is not directly paying.

“This is a false ‘compromise’ designed to protect the president’s re-election chances, not to protect the right of conscience,” said Hannah Smith, senior legal counsel for The Becket Fund, in a statement.

Religious conservatives such as Garvey and Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, Conn., will gather Thursday for a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing not-so-subtly titled, “Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?” Congressional Republicans, including Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), are pushing measures that would repeal the birth control policy entirely on behalf of religious organizations.

Despite the continued beating Obama is taking from a few religious groups, he has won the support of the one Catholic organization that employs more than 750,000 people and is arguably the most heavily affected by the birth control mandate. The Catholic Health Association, the nation's largest group of nonprofit health systems, considered Obama's accommodation a victory.

"We are pleased and grateful that the religious liberty and conscience protection needs of so many ministries that serve our country were appreciated enough that an early resolution of this issue was accomplished," said Sister Carol Keehan, president and CEO of the Catholic Health Association. "This difference has at times been uncomfortable, but it has helped our country sort through an issue that has been important throughout the history of our great democracy."

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When President Barack Obama first announced the federal rule requiring most faith-based employers to pay for contraception health coverage, most Roman Catholic groups geared for battle. But prominent ...
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outlandish 02:13 AM on 02/16/2012
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Wmof2011
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05:19 AM on 02/19/2012
The Church can not apply a proximity rule, and make it's self domain over all individuals and buildings they touch.

Religious rights apply to one person. One person has religious rights over one person, themselves. It should not apply to get domain over the religious rights of others. No slaves, unwilling servants, or unwilling participants for the church.
07:34 AM on 02/19/2012
Where did you get this theory from - the Constitution oif Lower Slobbovia?
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Wmof2011
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08:03 AM on 02/19/2012
I do not know where Slobbovia is. I do not wish to know. And I have nothing against them.
03:51 PM on 02/18/2012
NOT SO. All Bishops are on board. If an individual or individual Priests thinks otherwise they do, but as of Friday ALL BISHOPS (Catholic and actually other faiths as well) are on board. :) http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/17/every-catholic-bishop-opposes-obama-mandate-lutherans-too/
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TN60
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06:11 AM on 02/17/2012
I am going to start with a few stories around the web today on Republican's assault on women's bodies, which is no more than a political gimmick like "God, Gays, Guns and Women As Chattel"

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/5710/

"my first thought was that no one should tell the Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that aspirin could be used as birth control. First, they'd believe it, and second, they'd start a crusade to make sure managers of CVS could opt out of stocking it on their shelves. Religious conscience, you know."

2nd......http://www.alternet.org/news/154166/has_obama_exposed_the_powerlessness_of_the_us_bishops/?page=1

News poll released on Wednesday found that "57 percent of Catholic voters supported the requirement for religiously affiliated employers, like hospitals or universities, to cover the full cost of birth control for their employees, while 36 percent opposed it (7 percent said they did not know)." Further, reported Laurie Goodstein, "There was almost no difference between Catholic and other voters on the question."

3rd.. http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/16/10428236-scott-brown-stumbles-on-policy-basics

And of course, the Sanotum millionaire backer, whose aspirin joke (*maybe not a joke) made Andrea Mitchell's jaw drop so much so, she was speechless for a few seconds.
02:42 PM on 02/17/2012
Of all of which, of course, is completely irrelevant to the issue.
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Wmof2011
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06:05 AM on 02/17/2012
If they refuse employee rights, they should be refused a right to have employees.
02:43 PM on 02/17/2012
The Soviets made up great slogans just like yours, Comrade.
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Wmof2011
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10:06 PM on 02/17/2012
My meaning is that the church has to respect the rights of employees.
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09:42 PM on 02/16/2012
"They want the mandate rescinded in its entirety, so that even a Catholic person who owns a non-religious business can refuse to cover contraception for his or her employees. "

This is just another way for the christins to force there beliefs on another. I understand the church not agreeing with it in principle, but if they employee people not of there faith why should they be discriminated against. Most employers outside of religious organizations most likely employee many people who do not agree wholely with there beliefs and this would allow them to force there beliefs upon there employees. This is religious percicution in reverse, as it has been sience the christians came into power. They have relished forcing there beliefs on others and resented anyone who tried to push there beliefs onto them. If there a buisness all buisnesses should be held to the same restrictions. No reverse discrimination just because your a religious based organization.
01:01 AM on 02/17/2012
Mandating people pay sounds like they are forcing people to not follow their faith to me. No one is saying ban birth control, they are saying respect my right of religion to not pay for them. That's a big difference people seem to be forgetting. If 98% of woman are using birth control now, then no one has a problem getting them. Why do we have to make tax payer money pay for them if they are so accessible. There obviously isn't a need. The Church strongly opposes it because to Catholics it is inherently evil. You are persecuted my religious freedoms and that is unacceptable in a free country.
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08:04 AM on 02/17/2012
I see it deferently. If you run a buisness then reguardless of your religious affiliation you should fall under all the same rules and regulations as any other buisness. And it all buisnesses have to have insurance plans that cover this then its only fair that religious buisnesses have to follow the same rules. And hes not saying tax money goes to this he is saying insurance coverage has to include it. Many don't cover birth control leading to more unwanted pregnancies and abortions. If you start making exceptions on belief then the curch can find religious reasons to weasel out of any law or policy that they don't like. Now if everyone they employee is of the same faith then there is no problem. The option would be there but unused, but if they employee people who it isn't religously a sin then they are the ones persicuting by not offering this protection for women. If you want the freedoms you also have to submit to equal rules.
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Scott Leland
10:30 AM on 02/17/2012
Archbiship Thomas Wenski of Maimi says that "A legislative remedy to this overreaching and unprecendented incursion of state power into the domain of religious freedom and the rights of conscience is still necessary."

Also under the Constitution the government has the duty to control our country's borders.

Again the Archbishop says: "States have a right to control their borders, but not an absolute right, the Church operates across borders" as he promotes another "Amnesty" for the 20 million Illegal Immigrants (and Church members) working in our country."
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stingjim
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09:31 AM on 02/18/2012
I couldn't answer your thread to me so hers is my ay answer. Government and the people should make a friendly enviorment for businesses. Businesses hire people not the government. By the way my definition of the Government is :"We the people". Government should not be in the welfare business. You cannot name me one government agency that is run efficiently. Let the churches and charities do it. They always did a better job and the American people will donate if they feel the people receiving it have good work ethics or cannot work due to bad health.

Businesses are not in the charity business. Your thread seems to be saying Businesses have to hire people no matter what. You are dead wrong there.

Every movement that seeks to enslave a country, every dictatorship or potential dictatorship, needs some minority group as a scapegoat which it can blame for the nation's troubles and use as a justification of its own demands for dictatorial powers. In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jewish people; in America, it is the businessmen.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
05:22 PM on 02/16/2012
Why is it that in some states where Church run institutions can already be excluded from providing insurance coverage for contraception, they choose not to exclude it? Because they would lose good employees to the market. So this is all much ado about nothing. The church is already providing this through some coverage.
12:56 AM on 02/17/2012
Please list what hospitals and what they are providing? The Church is strongly opposed because it forces every Catholic to sin. Paying for birth control that directly disrespects the value of a human life is immoral. Just because some mistakes are being made now, does not mean they shouldn't be corrected. Ignoring sins does not make them go away, it only makes them a worse sin.
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
10:27 AM on 02/17/2012
I can tell that EVERY Catholic hospital in Colorado that I know of is doing so. And your version of 'sin is not my version of 'sin'. This is a false and completely drummed up political issue. How is contraception "disrespecting human life" anyway? There are too many religious extremists in this world.
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mwilbur137
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04:43 PM on 02/16/2012
My grandparents were devout Catholics.

After my father was born, the doctor told my grandmother that if she got pregnant again, it was highly likely that she would not survive the pregnancy. Her body simply couldn’t do it because of some complications. He suggested contraception.

My grandmother, being a devout Catholic, spoke to her church/priest about this, she felt it was her moral duty to seek their advise and consent.

Their response was that she would not use contraception because whether or not she got pregnant, and what happened during that pregnancy, was God’s decision to make, not hers.
They told her that contraception was an abomination and she would go to Hell for using it.
They told her she would be excommunicated if they found out.

…she left of her own accord and never went to church again.

The church is taking that choice away. Forget abortion. If they had it their way, birth control of all kinds, all forms of contraception, would be outlawed.

It is time we put an end to this ridiculousness.

Get your religion out of my public policy.
06:49 PM on 02/16/2012
Get your godless secular humanist foolishness out pof public policy. Oh, you mean your beleifs can be considered, but not those of millions of others? I think we understand you now.
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mwilbur137
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07:56 PM on 02/16/2012
No, you don't understand, clearly.

I don't care what anyone's moral beliefs at, their religion, who they choose to worship or how... 

Whatever.

Keep your archaic superstitious beliefs.  

If you are morally against abortion, fine.  Don't get an abortion.

If you are against same sex marriage, fine.  Don't get married to someone of the same sex.

If you are against eating fish on Wednesday, fine.  Don't eat fish on Wednesdays.

If you want to worship God or Jehovah or The Flying Spaghetti Monster or C'thulu, go right ahead.

But, you see, here is the difference between us "godless secularists" and you religious folk.

WE realise it is none of OUR business what moral code you live by, as long as it is within the code of law.  Because that's what matters.  The Law.  The Secular, utilitarian, godless law.

You don't.

This is a multi-cultural, secular nation built on a code of laws that separate church from state...deal with it.

You don't like that?  Move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.
08:43 PM on 02/16/2012
So, are you saying there should be no separation of church and state? Good news: you can move to places like that; you have several options. Bad news: none of them in America.
12:52 AM on 02/17/2012
I'm sorry to hear about you family's difficulty, as a Catholic woman I understand how hard it is to truly trust in the Lord that he will protect you in every situation but he will. Every life is just as important as another. It is not the goal to endanger any woman, it is to protect the dignity of life. Children are not diseases they are miracles of life. As a woman I would save my child's life over mine no matter what happens. Just because you do not agree with the church, it does not mean you can force Catholics to pay for your sins. We are not saying ban them, we are saying do not force us to pay for them. I respect your decision to not follow the church, please respect my choice to follow.
11:40 AM on 02/17/2012
You pay for birth control anyway. If you pay taxes, you're paying health departments, Medicaid, and Medicare Part D to provide it; and you may very well have funded a research grant that explores it. Moot point. The purpose behind this legislation is to attempt to make things cheaper for all.
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GunnisonVern
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04:14 PM on 02/16/2012
The White House solution is the equivalent of the government forcing Catholic junior high schools to pass out condoms to it's students. Forcing the Catholic school to pay for it. Then.... telling the parents of the students it is not included in the tuition they pay.
"Catholic Leader's" are not in disagreement. The church is very clear on it's opposition to the White House's rulings. I am not saying there are not Democratic Party shills within the Catholic church. They do not speak for the Catholic Church!
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10:03 PM on 02/16/2012
Hahahahahahha wow that is a jump. It is nothing of the same. It ammazes me how you right wingers and christians can make the most rediculus conections. If your not a fiction righter or quoting something you heared a talking head say you should change careers and right fiction. Do every catholic or christian buisness only employee catholics or christians of there denomination? Probabbly not. Why should the church have the right to force there beliefs on others if they are exempt from others forceing there beliefs upon them. It is such horible double standards that the christian churches inforce upon us as a society that turns me away from them and I believe many others as well. They refuse to change with the current society and societies needs and prefer to stay in the middle ages in the way they care for the society around them.
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Jamie Zupo
my babies ate my brains
04:00 PM on 02/16/2012
This separation of Church and State is seeming more and more one sided. Gov't does everything possible to avoid controlling religious institutions, who in turn have no compunction whatsoever with invading and influencing law.
12:45 AM on 02/17/2012
So you would rather have people blindly follow a socialist president? Obama has done nothing but try to control everyone. Each time he takes a little more freedom away from people. Now I can't even decide what healthcare plan I want. The constitution says that NO ONE can force anyone to go against their religious beliefs. We are fighting for our Freedom! This mandate forces Christians to violate God's law which is above man's law.
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Jamie Zupo
my babies ate my brains
02:18 PM on 02/17/2012
Socialism doesn't bother me personally. I spent five years living in Canada on a work visa, and never felt particularly unfree. The big government felt very small and unobtrusive. Go figure. Maybe we have a problem with government doing things when we've been instructed all of our lives that government shouldn't be doing things. Personally, I pay taxes to a government in exchange for systems that I can't do myself. Healthcare would be one of those things. I'm all for universal health care.

I imagine that it must be very frustrating for a religious person to be told by a secular person that their religious freedoms aren't being infringed upon. I don't want to do that.

But separation of church and state is supposed to go both ways. My government stays out of your religion, and your religion stays out of my government. Did requiring the churches to pay for b/c violate their religious freedom? Maybe -- I don't particularly care, so I'm probably not the one to voice an opinion. Does the Church's desire to be legally exempted from allowing their employees to use their health insurance for contraception start to look like individual freedoms being hijacked by religious dogma? ... yes, yes it does.

If the Church wanted to keep their convictions intact, they could stop offering health insurance or stop taking federal dollars.
03:47 PM on 02/16/2012
BREAKING: NBC currently in talks to renew President Obama for another 4 seasons.
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GunnisonVern
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04:27 PM on 02/16/2012
My HOPE is that low ratings result in a CHANGE in the program schedule.
03:39 PM on 02/16/2012
Republicans have demonstrated in so many ways that they care about nothing but themselves.
I find it hard to believe that in reality they even care about this issue.
This is just one more way of tearing Obama down in order to make themselves appear higher.
This is an illusion that magicians and illusionists have been using for centuries.
Make one thing smaller so that another looks larger.
They have to do this because they have nothing of their own to stand on.
They critisize every plan of Obama's, yet they have yet to offer a plan of their own.
They say they are going to do everything and they never say how....
They can't unite themselves yet they're going to unite the country.
12:40 AM on 02/17/2012
Well this Republican cares a WHOLE LOT!! So that isn't true. No one needs to tear Obama down, he downs that himself every time he talks. Innocent babies are extremely important, it is not a trick, it is murder. We stand on God and the Constitution, something every American should stand on. Look at any of the candidates, they have a better plan everyday than obama has been able to think of his whole life. He is only after money and control. We are extremely united and will not back down. Obama has pushed to far this time. His Czars and mandates need to GO!!
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TN60
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06:23 AM on 02/17/2012
F&F, George..for the truth.

And...nobody is going to force a woman to take the pill or not take it. This is freedom not chattel

Maybe Republican men should make an appointment for vasectomies. That would eliminate women taking the pill,NO ??? and men getting their little blue pill should be a crime.
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grittyreboot
LOLitical activist
03:26 PM on 02/16/2012
I dont want my tax money to pay for legal settlements because catholic priest like little boys who cant get pregnant.
07:24 PM on 02/16/2012
I don't want my tax money to pay for welfare because black people are lazy. Oops sorry to be a bigot :(
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grittyreboot
LOLitical activist
11:13 AM on 02/17/2012
Now now, sir... you shouldn't talk about your biological father like that... Its not nice.
12:35 AM on 02/17/2012
Topic is irrelevant to the discussion. It was less than 1% of Priests and it was over 30 years ago. It was the sins of the individuals, not the Church.
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Wmof2011
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05:19 AM on 02/17/2012
It's the sin of the Church also.. because they did a lot of covering it up. And they did not listen to complaints. One priest said that he felt that some were less credible. IE the poor or vulnerable was not credible to him. So it was a sin of the Church also. I hope they have learned something. But maybe not all want to learn their lesson: its elitism (for hundreds of years). More of them should have gone to jail.
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Wmof2011
Repbs prance around the fed $trillns-& ruins USofA
05:21 AM on 02/17/2012
Anyway, I think the point is that their word is not pure, it can not be followed blindly.
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Hooponopono
From Maine to Hawaii
03:09 PM on 02/16/2012
If you'd like to see exactly what the Catholic and Republican approach to birth control results in do a thorough review of INDIA. If you'd like to turn small town USA into Calcutta, you can do so by following the birth control guidance of the Catholic Church and the Republicans.
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cobaugust
03:37 PM on 02/16/2012
Or , you can see this as a mere tactic for re-election and the Catholic vote ! As a Muslim , Nobama could care less about what other religions do , say or want . He , as President is backed against a corner on this issue and being the smooth talker / b*llsh*ter he is , has made progress for himself-- is all --WAKE UP !
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04:52 PM on 02/16/2012
And what has he trampled in your religion i ask you? What is it that your religion wants that he hasn't given? In my opinion he shouldn't have to gave to Christianity, Islam, or those who believe in the celestial teapot or the flying spaghetti monster either. Separation of Church and State does't only mean that gov't can't interfere with whatever religion you follow, it also means that Church CANNOT influence the way the gov't runs. If you want to keep gov't out of your religion, then keep your religion and religious views from being imposed on the rest of us who don't, but still respect, your religious views.
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Patricia Russell
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03:06 PM on 02/16/2012
this article may help explain catholic view----

http://www.thelocalchristiantownhall.org/?p=5052