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Payroll Tax Cut Deal 'A Long Ways From Getting There,' Top Dem Says

Payroll Tax Deal

First Posted: 02/15/2012 11:25 am Updated: 02/15/2012 11:47 am

WASHINGTON -- Despite optimism by Republican leaders and assurances Tuesday evening that congressional negotiators had reached a deal to preserve a popular payroll tax cut and federal unemployment insurance, top Democrats in the House said Wednesday morning that the deal is not done.

"We're still a long ways from getting there," said Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.), one of the Democratic members of the committee working on the deal. Becerra stressed that progress had been made. "We hope that things will move forward."

"We've seen this play before," Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.) told reporters. "As you all painfully know, things have had the ability to change around here rather rapidly when it appears a deal has been struck and then it appears that deal is no longer in place."

Larson said he hoped that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would be able to marshal Republican support for the deal.

Boehner expressed optimism that the deal would come together by Wednesday night, but declined to tell reporters what reception it was getting from his members.

"If the agreement comes together like I expect it will, the House should vote this week," Boehner said. "I think there's an agreement in principle, but there are a lot of details that are yet to be worked out, and I'm hopeful that that'll be wrapped up today."

Asked how his members could back a payroll deal that would add $100 billion to the deficit, Boehner emphasized that Congress cut $2.1 trillion in the debt-limit debate last year, saying his members were acting to stop Democrats from playing political games.

"We were not going to allow the Democrats to continue to play games and cause a tax increase for hardworking Americans," he said.

Since Tuesday evening, Republican and Democratic staffers have put out different information about the terms of the deal. Democrats have variously said the maximum duration of unemployment insurance would fall from 99 weeks to 89 weeks, or to 75 weeks, or to 73 weeks. Republicans have said the maximum duration would fall to 63 weeks. The two sides have been unable to account for the discrepancy.

The sides agreed that the $100 billion cost of keeping a 2 percentage point cut in the Social Security tax workers pay on every paycheck would be added to the deficit, and that the $50 billion cost of unemployment insurance and the so-called Medicare "doc fix" would be offset with budget cuts elsewhere.

Without a deal, in March doctors will see their Medicare reimbursement rates drop 27 percent, jeopardizing health care for seniors. Several million long-term jobless will miss out on federal unemployment insurance, and every working American's take-home pay will be squeezed.

Rep. Becerra recalled several recent instances when an apparent deal fell through.

"I remember when I was serving on the supercommittee how we kept on hearing the news there was a deal," he said. "I remember when I was on the Bowles-Simpson commission how we were hearing we were going to get the two-thirds vote necessary to get the deal. And I've heard we've got a deal wrapped up on this payroll tax cut conference. I've learned to wait till we see the deal to know that there's a deal."

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WASHINGTON -- Despite optimism by Republican leaders and assurances Tuesday evening that congressional negotiators had reached a deal to preserve a popular payroll tax cut and federal unemployment ins...
WASHINGTON -- Despite optimism by Republican leaders and assurances Tuesday evening that congressional negotiators had reached a deal to preserve a popular payroll tax cut and federal unemployment ins...
 
 
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01:06 PM on 02/16/2012
Gas prices might be reduced a bit if the largest export wasn't gasoline, deisel and other refined petroleum products. Then there is the crude from the Alaskan North Shore, much of which is sold off shore by BP.
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db025
12:35 PM on 02/16/2012
No matter what they come up with, they still have to deal with a Senate Majority leader who has a long history of refusing to allow bills to come to the floor for debate or vote if a single person he dislikes is in any way involved with it. That goes for Ds as well as Rs.
11:09 AM on 02/16/2012
Here we go again, the US Debtors Congress with their infamous sound bites. Well this year gas pump prices will be rising; where are those biofuels ? and we have not reduced our need for foreign oil. Hold onto your money. And finally, where are the tax reforms for this everyone pays their fair share ?
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
10:32 AM on 02/16/2012
Salary of the head of the USPS is about $800,000 and the second in command about $235,000.

How does this compare to the salary of the top execs of UPS, here is an example.

Executive Compensation - CEO Salaries, Stock Options, Bonuses ...
www.companypay.com/Feb 1, 2011 – Executive Compensation, CFO, CEO, Salary, Bonus, Executive Salary, Chief ... 43, United Parcel Service, UPS, $45,297,000,000, $2,152,000,000 ..

Guess the USPS government workers are so overpaid... for the near daily volume of 190,000,000 million pieces of mail and parcels, and 574,000 employees in 50 states, 767 APOs, and the 7 territories that it serves.
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db025
12:38 PM on 02/16/2012
If the usps whiners are not satisfied with their pay they should apply to UPS and FedEx. Of course, that would mean working in a competitive environment, and they'd actually be expected to do something productive and hustle to take care of the customers.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
02:06 PM on 02/16/2012
Who is whining? And how did you come to that conclusion from what I said in my comment?

And I have news for you, USA and FedEx cannot compete against the USPS, they are much slower in delivery and pickup, much more expensive, and not that accurate in their deliveries.
10:30 AM on 02/16/2012
The payroll tax cuts directly reduce social security contributions. The long term benefits of contributions outweigh the short term benefit of a 2% tax reduction...averaging about $12-15 per week average.
10:04 AM on 02/16/2012
BIG DEAL $40 more a month. FIX other things and we'll have our $40 per month.

Who's watching SS??? SOMEONE NEEDS TO QUIT SPENDING MONEY. THE DEMS DON'T
AND THE REPS DON'T . SOCIALISM HERE WE COME.
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mac2jr
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09:42 AM on 02/16/2012
Remove all tax breaks immediately for everyone, we need revenue, not tax breaks.

Take the Corporate Welfare gang off of our collective backs, they make enough that they no longer need our help. Start with all the Oil companies, the AG farmers, the Pharms, the airlines, the import/exporters, and those that are or have been polluting America and the world.

Stop adding unwarranted items to Bills, like the Drug testing to the UE extension Bill, you want something be 'man' enough to write a separate Bill and let it stand on its merits, not to be used for Blackmailing the Congress or President or People.

Nationalize or remove the speculators from the oil companies, they are International and do not care about the USA, only profits; and the speculators, not Obama are the blame for the current high prices, which by the way are far lower than the $4.25 to $5.00 of the 2000's.

Publish a real budget showing how the two illegal wars are a major part of the current $1.1 trillion in deficits that are pilling up. Cost of troops, weapons, logistics, medical care, payoffs, fraud, etc., should be detailed and presented to the public..
09:30 AM on 02/16/2012
As much as I hate to say this, it needs to be said, over and over again because apparently Americans are just not getting it. THIS IS NOT A TAX CUT, IT IS A REDUCTION IN YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH HOLDING, CAUSING THE SS ADMINISTRATION TO LOSE 117 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN REVENUE WHILE CONGRESS IS ALL READY SAY THE SS ADMINISTRATION WILL GO BROKE IN 2036. Why is it so hard for these idiots to understand that they are stealing YOUR future, the lousy 15 bucks a week increase in your pay will not help enough to be worth it, and of course 80% of the money will be detained for administration cost before it is even dispersed to you. Folks, do the math, then call your congres man or women, this has to be stopped, get the idiots out of our congress now, enough is enough
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LICWINKO
09:18 AM on 02/16/2012
The only 'FIX' Obama has on our economy - is get us deeper in debt - just bandaids - no true fix on anything...........
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
09:59 AM on 02/16/2012
Wall street doing great.

23 straight months of increased employment

13,600 roads and bridges and other infrastructure fixed

2,000,000 saved from bankruptcy

Millions of people with better medical services

Alternative transportation is booming

Alternative non-OPEC dependent fuel rose from 7% to 15%

USA exporting oil to other countries

Savings accounts gone from -3% to +3%

The 'bandaids' are allowing for the 'healing'....
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LICWINKO
10:05 AM on 02/16/2012
food prices have doubled, gas is skyrocketing, prices on goods have doubled, you call this "healing"
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LICWINKO
10:05 AM on 02/16/2012
if unemployment is "so good", why more debt because of all the unemployed???
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bill904
08:44 AM on 02/16/2012
Yep,,, Democrats have to have this block of votes, its not like they care about America . Lets keep eliminating the payroll taxes, but we can go two years on SS with out an increase for those that built this country ,but thats ok, Democrats care nothing about Seniors. and in case no one knows, its stealing from future Social S. Recipients.
08:05 AM on 02/16/2012
The richest 1% owe no one even one dollar of what they have. For a president to make it seem they should is a slimey scheme to devide the people more and he should be held responsible for that. For the greedy hating freeloaders to think they should have any of it supports why they are where they are. So sad that a nation that stood proud of ALL of its sons and daughters has to see it torn apart by one who once promised to keep them united. He planned this. He implemented it. He is cheering it on. In every other area, some more noticable than others he continues to weaken a once "super power" to what end? Even if we disagree on many accounts, please stay joined for the greater good so that even if we argue more we can still each forever enjoy what few ever will...a beautiful and free America.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
10:01 AM on 02/16/2012
Why would President Obama 'plan this', 'implement this', etc., what is the motive?
10:21 AM on 02/16/2012
Obama's attack on millionaires is just a political ploy. It would bring in a whole $23 billion "maybe" and he is still deficit spending $1.3 trillion. What a joke this President is.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
10:50 AM on 02/16/2012
Eisenhower era, the Federal tax on the richer among us was nearly 90% and the country was growing and we had near full employment.

Over the six decades the Federal tax on the richer among us dropped to the current 14% to 28% and the deficit and unemployment has skyrocketed

The cause of the current lack of jobs is directly due to the richer among us paying themselves 270 times more than their workers and then closing USA manufacturing plants and sending YOUR jobs to India and China. Thus, since they are the cause of much of the economic destruction, they should be the ones 'fixing' part of the problem.
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clarkkentdlyplnt
07:51 AM on 02/16/2012
The Republican spin machine is hard at work on this on. "let's sneak a highly unpopular provision into the bill and when it get's defeated we can say it's their fault". Mandatory drug testing for government benefits is a Republican initiative that has proven costly and ineffective already, but it panders to their base, so here it is again. It is not within in the right of the state to require proof that a person is or is not engaged in illegal activity with out a warrant. This measure is another of the slow deteriorations of the constitution that Republicans have had at the top of their agenda for years.
08:19 AM on 02/16/2012
with respect to 'sneaking', do you mean, similar to how health care was thrust upon the american taxpayers? as a taxpayer, i do not want my money to go to individuals who are going to use that money to buy illegal drugs. how is that unfair? if someone is unemployed, that's sad, but it should be used for food, shelter and clothing for their children, not for drugs. why should we be expected to fund such? please explain your logic.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
10:07 AM on 02/16/2012
Please go back to the Nixon era and look up the Nixon Universal Health Care plan.

Look at the MA Universal Health Care Plan

Look at the history of the Health Care Plan Bills in the USA, and then go back to 2007-2008 and pick up back copies of Time, Newsweek, Financial Times, and the other dozens of newspapers and magazines that reported that the small businesses of America, the economist of America, the Republicans of America, the scholars of America, and the people of America all, ALL, wanted the Health Care reform, and most wanted the provisions that are in the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act.

It was only when it looked like it would pass, giving a Black President an advantage over the dozens of White Presidents that failed, that the Republicans decided to be against the very thing they have wanted for years.
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clarkkentdlyplnt
10:13 AM on 02/16/2012
So you would p!$$ on the long held presumption of innocence for some hypothetical transgression of a unknown person? You would tear up the constitution to allow unwarranted searches with out evidence of wrong doing to save a buck? Slow erosion of the principals of the Constitution are the easiest way to destroy it. DON'T!
09:18 AM on 02/16/2012
you mean how Jan & Feb tax cut was paid for by a mtg fee on fannie mae and freddie mac loans that will add about $10K to the avg loan? Those middle class the dims care so deeply about? and the money it generates goes into the general treasury to spend instead of putting it into the soc sec fund? you fleabags are soooooooooooo dense
10:32 AM on 02/16/2012
In case the public doesn't know Obama gave Fannie and Freddie unlimited funding of you money. $160 billion and counting of taxpayer bailout (they neglect to call a bailout). The sad thing is Bush had the chance to once and for all dissolve Fannie and Freddie. Bush failed Now these companies are operating on our money with the same policies that caused all the trouble. Fannie and Freddie are a revolving door to both parties. The corruption of these government backed mortgage companies along with Congress is vast. I'll support any politician that is ready and willing to throw F&F under the bus because that is where they deserve to be.
07:40 AM on 02/16/2012
Social Security is going broke, so they want to go a year without funding it??? The payroll tax is what funds it. I don't get it??????????? How is this good?
09:21 AM on 02/16/2012
yet the mtg fee they imposed on fannie mae and freddie mac loans to pay for jan & feb won't pay for the soc sec either
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
10:20 AM on 02/16/2012
The management fee is due to the Republican DEMAND that all tax cuts be offset by a revenue increase, and they would not raise any taxes on their rich friends by $1.00....

SS is not going broke, it is well funded for a few decades and it can be fixed easily, but the Republican 'Fear' machine is doing what it can to get people to 'fix' SS by 'privatizing' it, thus allowing Wall Streets 'honest and trustworthy' folks to control the retirement future of hundreds of millions of working folk.
10:42 AM on 02/16/2012
The Republican plan is for a $100 billion wage freeze on federal employees (including Congress). federal workers are very much over paid under Obama the number of worker with 6 figure salareis has doubled. It is rediculus what federal employees are making especially those inside Washington. Also the Republican would like to means test medicare by ajusting premiums by what reciepients make. Raising premiums for people like Warren Buffet. And also increasing deductables. These are a least some effort to fix problem. The Democrats just want to spend more without cutting anything.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
11:11 AM on 02/16/2012
Means testing will result in the demise of Medicare. Be careful of the Republican LIE that this is the way to go.

Example: A retired person is making SS plus a salary of $100,000 and therefore, should per a Means Test, not be allowed to participate in Medicare.

Then Congress lowers the SS plus salary to $75,000 in 2013, to $50,000 in 2014, to $25,000 in 2015, and $5,000 in 2016. Thus in effect Medicare is OVER, GONE, DONE, FINA...

This is what will happen if you put a Republican into office, they are salivating over the possibilities.
06:45 AM on 02/16/2012
Warren Buffet's secretary pays more for housing...........vacation travel.........and party's than the FAILED president Obama does.
07:38 AM on 02/16/2012
Guess OB doesn't tell everyone about Buffets house in Fla worth $25,000,000.00. I think he tells everyone his secretary bought it for him.
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clarkkentdlyplnt
07:52 AM on 02/16/2012
Yeah. Yeah, and Bush paid for his? Ijits.
08:25 AM on 02/16/2012
cant get off the BUSH kick can you.
09:23 AM on 02/16/2012
Bush is the democratic turrets
06:24 AM on 02/16/2012
Like all other issues...........This payroll tax thing is being MIS-REPORTED in our CORRUPT LIB MEDIA..............this is NOT a tax cut.........The payroll tax pays for SSI, unemployment insurance and other non-budget items..........Reducing this payment only leads to more debt.........a better idea is to slash spending and the income tax. Why is China loaning money to fund our SSI ? .......By calling this a TAX CUT.........the LIB MEDIA is attempting to portray this FAILED president as being for the middle class just in time for his re-election campaign............when in truth.........he is the enemy of the middle class.
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06:37 AM on 02/16/2012
Right.
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clarkkentdlyplnt
07:41 AM on 02/16/2012
So the Bush "tax cut" was a "income tax cuts" and that's a real tax cut that doesn't increase debt? Ijits. This is a real tax cut. It effects everyone. If you want to effectively reduce the deficit we need debt reduction and tax increases on the the people and corporations that suck the cream off the American people. As far as this "failed president", when your predecessor destroys everything, and those that are sworn to protect, seek only to hinder, it's hard to make progress.
08:15 AM on 02/16/2012
Bush did not leave this country in as bad a shape as the liberals and their media accomplices portray. When Bush left office the deficit was 10 Trillion and now it is already 15.4 Tillion and going up quick. The economy was in trouble due to Frank and Dodd and the democrat controlled congress that protected Fannie and Freddie. Obama is a FAILED President who is driving this country to be another Greece. We need to cut spending and reform entitlements to reduce the deficits.
09:24 AM on 02/16/2012
the 1% will NEVER be able to fix this mess. You dims were screaming recession when unemployment was 4%....you railed against Bush when he incresed debt by $4T over 8 YEARS. BO has increased it $5T over 3...what a genius