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Utah Bill Would Give Public Education Money Directly To Student 'Savings Accounts,' Not Schools

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First Posted: 02/15/2012 3:07 pm Updated: 03/ 4/2012 2:34 pm

Funding for public education could go directly to the pockets of students, instead of to schools, under a proposal in the Utah legislature.

The Utah House Education committee decided Wednesday to stay a bill that would require the state to put much what it gives now to high schools into "education savings accounts" for students in grades 9-12. Lawmakers elected to continue working on House Bill 123, sponsored by Republican state Rep. John Dougall, potentially starting the program as a pilot in some test schools before implementing the changes statewide.

According to the bill in its current form, students would receive around $6,400 a year that they could use to take classes at public high schools, universities, technical schools and public online courses. Students would be charged per-course and any money left over in student accounts would roll over to be used toward that student's post-secondary education.

According to Utah's Daily Herald:

Where would the money come from? It's already there, provided today by the state based on a standard funding formula. Currently, the money is captured by each individual high school, and that's where it stays -- in a closed system. What Dougall's bill envisions is a new model that would unfreeze those dollars so that a high school education could be customized to the needs of individual students -- needs identified by the students themselves and their parents.

The bill would also force schools to serve students more optimally by creating competition, Dougall told the Salt Lake Tribune. Schools would still be the direct recipients of state funding for programs like special education.

"Today, what we have is top down funding and we know many of the challenges that come with top down funding," Dougall said. "HB123 is what I call grassroots funding where we fund the student rather than institutions."

While a Herald editorial proclaims that Dougall "deserves a medal" for his proposal, critics are questioning the bill's logistics. Republican state Rep. Steve Eliason told the Tribune he's concerned that schools would expand class sizes to reduce costs and students who opt to take more expensive, high-level classes could run out of funds before finishing high school. Dougall's bill does require a limitation on course fees.

Issues of where public education funding should go is perhaps most visible in the debate surrounding school vouchers -- in which public dollars "follow" a student, shifting that funding from a public institution to charter or private schools as students make transfers out of traditional public schools.

Voucher programs have recently gained momentum in schools across the country. And like Dougall's education savings bill in Utah, school voucher bills aim to give parents and children more say in where students go to school and how they are educated.

Shortly after Indiana began the nation's broadest school voucher program, thousands of students transferred from public to private schools in August, causing spiked enrollment at Catholic schools that were a hair away from the same fate as Philadelphia and were on the brink of closure for low enrollment.

The initial shift realized what public school advocates feared most: a mass exodus of students from public institutions, and taking with them the public dollars that funded those schools. Public school principals pleaded with parents not to move their children.

But in a reversal, the school voucher law also had some Indiana parents taking their students out of private schools -- placing them in public ones for a year to earn eligibility for the publicly funded program. While the intended moves are temporary, public school educators are hoping that it could also attract more students who are traditionally privately educated to stay in public schools.

"They'll be in public school for a year, which gives them a great chance to make the sale," state Republican House Speaker Brian Bosma told The Journal Gazette. "The best thing is the families have options and they can select the option that is best for their student."

The bills for proposed programs as well as already-implemented voucher programs have drawn ire from critics, who say the initiatives pull money away from public schools, which are already struggling with budget cuts, resulting in loss of programs and teacher layoffs. An Indiana judge also upheld Indiana's school voucher law in January, rejecting opponents' arguments that the program unconstitutionally uses public money to support religion.

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08:47 AM on 02/18/2012
It is interesting to me to note that since we have so significantly constrained the roles of traditional public schools with respect to academic curriculums, methods of teaching, and classroom management; that people and parents appear to be eager to move children to schools that are less constrained. It seems we would prefer to allow teachers to present material in a manner that matches how each student learns, but that we don't permit that in the traditional public schools system because it is required to produce educated students according to some formula determined by the federal department of education, the state department of education, the local school board, and the school district administration.
10:08 AM on 02/17/2012
This is a great idea, you make the schools districts, teachers and their unions accountable to the people they are hired to serve.
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A Dub
Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy
02:08 PM on 02/17/2012
That's ridiculous
02:24 PM on 02/17/2012
Unions better reform or we the taxpayers will reform them, and public workers are not taxpayers, they are taxtakers. They pay our government back with the money collected from us through taxes.
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
02:11 PM on 02/17/2012
They can be held accountable without taxpayer money being hijacked to religious schools.
02:25 PM on 02/17/2012
I didn't say religious schools and if the parent wants there child going to a religious school so be it. That is there decision. The education department need to give up the loyalty to the public school districts and unions and use that money to educate children (it's sole Purpose) regardless of where the money is spent.
09:34 PM on 02/16/2012
That is great. Let's really destroy the educational system in this country. We just enrolled a girl at our school (public continuation high school) who had been considering a for profit online high school where she could EARN HER HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA IN SIX WEEKS. Yes, a 15 year old girl, a sophomore in high school who has flunked half of her classes so far was going to do six weeks of work and get her high school diploma. The best part was she could do all four years of English in just 3 weeks! Our school's office manager was so sure the girl was not telling the truth that she actually called the school -- they confirmed everything this girl said. When our OM asked how on earth she could do 4 years of high school English in 3 weeks -- what about reading novels? writing essays? they assured her they didn't require "any of that stuff" and asked if she wanted to enroll her child in the school.

This is the ultimate dumbing down of America.
06:01 AM on 02/19/2012
It's a deliberate program of the lunatic right wing. An educated population is too hard to manage.
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TINA ANDRES
How did this happen?
08:48 PM on 02/16/2012
This is quite possibly an attempt at making vouchers sound more reasonable since anyone in their right mind knows that there is no way we can give deposit money into someone's bank account and then regulate exactly what they do with that money. Everyone knows that many people would not use it for it's intended purpose, for that matter, I know many parents I know of wouldn't even bother sending their kids to school if they had the money. So now we all get to say, "Hey, why don't we compromise and give them a voucher?." Like this is some sort of brilliant new idea. Call a spade a spade and let's call both ideas horrible. Can you imagine the number of corporations that would jump all over this and then later in the school year tell the parents, "Sorry you are out of money."?
07:02 PM on 02/16/2012
Isn't this part of the earlest designs of NCLB? Vouchers... I think we should implement it since we pay for schools with taxes and the businss of education is so corrupt. If we privatize, we cannot abide the same concessions we have been. To gra these greedy philanthropists the same leeway we have in public sector is lunacy. Look the mess the white chlak crimminals have made without oversight or accountability. Imagine the decline schools face when education becoimes a business officiallly at the bequest of the 1%. Actually, look at LAUSD whereb our supt bypassed any type of interview, has not met the ethical standards we should recognize as an inherent part of his position. Then there's the media sanctioned lies and anti-teacher propoganda he and his ilk are spreading. They can stomp all over citizens but if education must become an industry, it should contend with consumers.Utah is on the right path,
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
08:24 PM on 02/16/2012
Why should my hard-earned tax dollars be turned over to children's parents (because we all know that is who will make the decision), instead of using it to maintain public schools. I see no reason at all to supplement religious schools with taxpayer money. Pay your taxes and support your local public schools. If public schools aren't good enough for you, YOU pay the tuition to private schools IN FULL yourself.
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letitsnow
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06:37 PM on 02/16/2012
This is the dumbest idea ever. What this really is is chaos and big government at its finest. So who pray tell who is going to be the administrator of these funds? They'll have to create a whole department to keep track of this nonsense. And how are they going to pay for that? Does each student then have to give back a certain percentage to the state to run the program, thus leaving less money for thier education? Or are they just going to have to raise taxes to pay for it? Who is going to pay the light bill at the school? Is each student going to get a bill for that like a tenant in an apartment?

Once again this is the repubs trying to use public funds to boost up private for profit companies and push religion with public dollars.
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A Dub
Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy
02:10 PM on 02/17/2012
Agreed!
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
04:35 PM on 02/16/2012
What a great idea, man…

Most American public schools – as the last 40 years have shown -- are like addicts when it comes to “insanely” managing money: "more is never enough," and they shred every last dollar…on the most illogical / inane / or corrupt expense items. (And then school boards have the gall to demand even more!) Consequently, public schools are crawling around on financial skid row (brown bag of Mad Dog in-hand) and their student’s inferior performance(s) -- especially in mathematics and the sciences -- have imperiled the “intellectual” security interests of the United States.

Definitely time to try something “radical”: full-steam ahead with Rep. Dougall’s idea! I mean, his proposal -- if passed by Utah’s legislature -- couldn’t yield any worse results than the current system…of organizational mediocrity, administrative malfeasance, revenue mismanagement, academic inferiority, and student ineptness.
07:04 PM on 02/16/2012
you nailed it. and to make matters worse, these schools waste more than monetary resources. they was a child's education
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
08:29 PM on 02/16/2012
Yup, Chingaso....and looking at your subtitle and what you've written here, it appears mental superiority is going to be a hard, uphill battle for you.

Why should anyone's tax money be used to supplement any private school's income (especially religious schools)? Taxes are collected for public schools, not for parents to use at their whim.
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
10:37 PM on 02/16/2012
Ah, the posters on H-P...who suffer from severe "argumentum ad hominem" [lat], which is simply an attempt to negate an opinion -- or fact -- by personally attacking a speaker that supports a particular position. (I understand, though; many graduates of public high schools often struggle with such maladaptive reasoning skills.)

But follow this rather simple formula (only available in University settings): premise 1 + premise 2 = “logical” conclusion. If effectively used, the formula reduces dogma-inspired thinking error(s), and leads to intellectually-sound contribution(s).

I might be a stretch, Jie, but give it a try...
10:09 AM on 02/17/2012
Taxes are collected for public education, the benefit of the students, not the administrators and the teachers union. Those people work for the students not vice versa. This is a great idea.
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
10:30 AM on 02/16/2012
What a load of crap.

Support public schools with public funds...no vouchers, no "savings accounts", etc.

You want a private school education, you pay for it yourself AFTER you have paid your school tax.
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grammasher
10:49 AM on 02/16/2012
AMEN!
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
04:36 PM on 02/16/2012
See above post, Holmes...
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wakawaka09
Capitalism is a cult.
07:59 AM on 02/16/2012
First the conservatives will come with vouchers. Once they've succeeded in privatizing K through 12, then they'll do away with vouchers and it'll be pay as you go schooling for your kids. Republicans have a plan. Indeed they do.
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
10:28 PM on 02/15/2012
It's vouchers. Call a spade a spade.
09:47 PM on 02/15/2012
Care for some fries with those nuggets?
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lilbunnyfufu
Its all fun & games until someone uses Force Choke
09:10 PM on 02/15/2012
My concern with this (ok, my major concern, there are many others) would be the student's accessibility to the money. They are getting $6400 deposited to an account in their name. Are there safe guards in place to make sure the money is used solely towards education or can a kid walk in, take out $1000 and go on a shopping spree? Or even worse, the kid be forced by the parents to take the funds out and give it to them?
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wellalwayshavemaine
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10:57 AM on 02/16/2012
We're already seeing massive fraud with Link card in IL wherein the store owners swipe the cards, give the $$ back to the card holder, while taking a cut for themselves. It's great for the liquor and tobacco industry but not so great for the taxpayers.
07:10 PM on 02/16/2012
or the children of parents who do that
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golions
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04:12 PM on 02/17/2012
There's no way. Children don't have the legal right to control money against their parents' wishes. And where are they supposed to get the education that teaches them basic rights and responsibilities? In high school!
08:19 PM on 02/15/2012
A voucher by another name. And though there are people who will swear that vouchers are the silver bullet that will save education, they actually fail pretty much every time they're tried.
07:04 PM on 02/15/2012
this is an attempt for faith based to get educational funding. public ed monies should never fund private or for profit schools. the system is being dismantled at this time breaking it and the public is allowing this. this country is well on its way as being the haves and have nots
07:11 PM on 02/16/2012
it already is.
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06:27 PM on 02/15/2012
So we are going to start charging for "public" education now? Wow. Some people really cannot see when they are shooting their own foot can they? You know what life is like for a rich man in a poor country? Great while it lasts, which is not very long.