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French Mormons Find Inhospitable 'Mormon Moment'

French Mormons

Posted: 02/16/2012 10:14 am

By Elizabeth Bryant
Religion News Service

CHESNAY, FRANCE (RNS) Past clusters of houses and frozen fields in this Paris suburb, the Palace of Versailles sparkles in the evening sun. But Mayor Philippe Brillault has his eyes set on a different landmark: an abandoned, asbestos-choked power plant.

It's the spot where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would like to build France's first Mormon temple.

"We weren't overjoyed, because Mormons have an image that's pretty much negative," the mayor said. "But for what can we reproach these people? Not polygamy. Proselytizing was the biggest concern."

With 36,000 members and a history stretching back to the 1850s, France's Mormon community is among the biggest and oldest in Europe. But while Mormons in the U.S. are asserting their clout with Mitt Romney's presidential bid, their faith mostly draws blank stares here.

That is changing, partly due to French media coverage of the U.S. elections and Romney's stint as a young Mormon missionary in France during the 1960s. And partly because of concerns about the temple project.

"It's a form of opposition that's sometimes manifested because people don't know us," said LDS spokesman Christian Euvrard. "But when people get the real information, of course, they will see that most of those false ideas will fall by themselves."

Mormons in France currently attend services at one of more than 100 meetinghouses around the country. But they must travel to Germany or Britain for special services like weddings and proxy baptisms that can only take place in temples. Across Europe, the church counts nearly half a million members.

"Going to temple is a wonderful experience -- it's a time to contemplate things going on in our lives, things we've learned in the gospel and scriptures," said 40-year-old Tucson, Ariz., native Darla Pape, one of a handful of American ex-pats who attend Mormon church in the neighboring town of Versailles.

"Church members in France would see many blessings to have a temple close by."

The mayor ultimately granted the building permit after finding no grounds to refuse it. Mormon officials hope to complete the temple -- along with gardens and a guesthouse -- within the next few years.

But opposition is growing. An online petition has already gathered 6,000 signatories against the project, although the mayor says most are not local residents.

"Would I have preferred something else?" asks Brillault. "Sure. But because I'm a Catholic and they're Mormons is no reason to say no."

Political opponents disagree. They claim the mayor rammed the project through with little debate, and that the site is better suited for other purposes, like public housing.

"This is a way for the Mormons to plant themselves on national territory for the long haul," said municipal councilor Berengere Brunel. "There are examples of sectarian currents in this movement. This goes way beyond Chesnay."

Marie Drilhon, local chapter head of UNADFI, a nongovernmental group that fights religious extremism, is also skeptical about the Mormons and their project.

"It's a demanding church for the faithful," she said, describing some cases of members who have left the church who were pressured to return. "People who are more fragile don't do well in this church."

But the controversy also illustrates a larger wariness of non-mainstream religions in France, where a government watchdog group monitors cults. While the LDS church is recognized here, others -- like the Church of Scientology, which lost a recent appeals ruling on fraud charges -- are considered sects.

"The United States was built in large part on the belief in religious freedom," said political analyst Nicole Bacharan. "The French Republic was built against the church, and the value of separation of state and church is extremely strong. Whenever there seems to be some infringement, (the) French get all fired up."

"Mormon temples tend to be really big," she added. "And only Mormons can attend ceremonies in temples -- so that can also create suspicion."

On the streets of Chesnay, opinions are divided.

"I've watched television reports about the Mormons, especially in America," said resident Veronique Lindet. "I try to be fairly open, but I have to admit I think it's a form of sect."

But another woman, who only gave her first name, Michelle, only laughed.

"I've visited Salt Lake City three times so I know the Mormon temple and everything about it," she said. "It doesn't mean I'm going to convert."

Euvrard, the local church spokesman, said that while only the faithful will be able to visit the temple, the surrounding gardens will be open to the public.

"Some fear Chesnay will become a new Salt Lake City, that they will see Mormons everywhere," he said. "These are just fantasies. The more people get to know us, the more they will get the right ideas."

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moreman
12:46 PM on 02/22/2012
One of the more controversial aspects of the Mormon Temple is that only members who pay the church 10% of their salary are allowed to enter. While some can afford to do this, others simply cannot. The Mormon church does not allow those who do not promise to pay into their temples, and they also teach that if you cannot enter the temple, you cannot enter heaven. Therefore, you must pay the Mormon church 10% to enter heaven, according to their teachings.
05:09 PM on 02/22/2012
This is inaccurate. The amount you pay is never questioned. All that is asked is if you are, by your owns standards, a full tithe payer. Resources are provided for people in need and nobody is excluded based on financial conditions. One could argue that you cannot be a free citizen of the United States unless you pay your taxes so if you are poor and cannot afford to pay, you will go to jail. This is equally not true. Accommodations are made for the poor in both circumstances.
09:42 AM on 02/24/2012
To clarify: yes, the amount you are expected to pay is 10% (a religious mandate given in the Bible, Malachi 3); no, you are not required to *prove* you paid 10% - the people interviewing for temple recommends simply ask, and accept whatever answer they are given. Whether or not you are lying is between you and God.

Also, you need more than just paying tithes - morally upright; not a smoker or drinker or alcohol, coffee or tea; regular attendee of church meetings.
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TomeOfBullos
07:48 PM on 02/19/2012
Why not just go to our church to see for yourself what we believe?
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KaAp
09:27 PM on 02/19/2012
Because people know about how evangelical your church is and how zealous they are ... and how they feel about GLBTQ citizens, women ... No thanks I would rather d i e ... no I take that back since you are still posthumously baptizing dead J ewish people
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TomeOfBullos
10:33 PM on 02/19/2012
Do you know this from experience or just from the internet?
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ammy
01:44 AM on 02/22/2012
What? Stop the ignorant bashing? There's no fun in that.
Boomerwoman
Momma said there'd be days like this
05:52 PM on 02/19/2012
Pretty soon they will be baptizing Napolean, if they haven't already.
12:33 PM on 02/22/2012
They have. And Hitler.
09:44 AM on 02/24/2012
The eventual goal is to offer the baptism Christ has said is essential to salvation to everyone. Where they go from there is between them and God.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
12:30 PM on 02/19/2012
Love the way one woman claims to have visited SLC and knows all about the temple and everything about it. Only the select Mormons are allowed to know all the secrets of the Mormon Temples and their ceremonies. I lived in Utah and will never know about it...
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mollynova
Oh, Toto! Where did our democracy go?
10:05 AM on 02/20/2012
Plus, she's a woman. I doubt she or any woman has seen every part of that temple.
12:48 PM on 02/21/2012
Women and men serve equally in the temple. The only locations women cannot access are the men's change rooms and bathrooms.
12:34 PM on 02/22/2012
That is correct. Men are the only ones allowed in all parts of the temple. Women are also restricted from many meetings and cannot officiate in leading ceremonies.
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ScribL
Shared Sacrifice, Social Justice
01:53 AM on 02/19/2012
the more I learn about what Mormons believe the more astounded I become at how gullible people can be.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
12:31 PM on 02/19/2012
It is amazing, that seemingly smart intelligent people believe some of the rubbish that some churches push at them.
10:20 PM on 02/18/2012
Two important missing points in this article:

The reaction of the local mayor in France: "If Qatar had bought this piece of land to build a mosque, I would not have objected either".

The photo is from a 1920's temple in Cardston, Alberta. What's the connection?
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Nana610
Tikkun Olam תיקון עולם
10:11 PM on 02/18/2012
French. Mormons. What a paradox,
07:17 PM on 02/24/2012
Why ?
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wakawaka09
Capitalism is a cult.
06:38 PM on 02/18/2012
And in this corner, it's the Nephites and in the other it's the Lamanites. Let's get ready to rumble.
10:22 PM on 02/18/2012
Very, very funny!

Do you think *this* time they'll leave an archeological record?
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wakawaka09
Capitalism is a cult.
07:22 AM on 02/19/2012
A chariot wheel would be nice.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
12:31 PM on 02/19/2012
# 233....ROTFLMAO....
06:34 PM on 02/18/2012
Of course Mormonism is nonsense, ("the Church of Latter Day Nonsense"), but it's no more nonsensical than the other faiths that require you to believe that events have taken place that go against the laws of nature.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
06:07 PM on 02/18/2012
"cases of members who have left the church who were pressured to return."

Dang, nobody's been after me to return. Guess I was too outspoken. Still have lots of LDS friends, though.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
12:33 PM on 02/19/2012
# 589...I never even joined and they have found me and haunt me monthly...My deceased husband's family were Mormons and we lived in Utah and Arizona..I have since remarried and somehow with new location and new name they found me..ewwwww. They do not stop
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
03:43 PM on 02/19/2012
Well, they do keep asking me where my gay son is....
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amellon
We read to know we are not alone.
03:38 AM on 02/22/2012
No one has been after me either. I know a lot of people who have left the church and none of them have ever been pressured in any way to go back. If they are a cult, they're not doing a very good job of keeping their members....

Speaking of weird...what's with all the beautiful robes and hats, walking around with some kind of metal sphere that has smoke coming out of it, that's about as far a way from the way Christ and his apostles taught as you can get.

Sending unbaptized children to purgatory. Nothing odd there. For those who are worried about freedom of choice - do you baptize your babies? Do they understand and tell you they want to be saved by the Atonement of Jesus Christ? No, they can't because they don't know what is being done, therefore, they are being deprived of their freedom of choice.

Oh no, the Mormons are baptizing for the dead by proxy, how awful. Anyone remember the Inquisition?

Mormon temples are big. Anyone seen the size of cathedrals in France?

Every religion has some pretty unbelievable tenants and dark history that they wish people would forget, if you disagree with them, don't go to that church.

Eilish, I'm having a heck of a time removing my horns, any advice?
12:10 PM on 02/22/2012
yes, but most of those religions you cite have been around for centuries. To have a religion born at the same time as my great grandparents, with beliefs that are often more twisted that the original tenets of Christianity, is pretty mind boggling.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
09:06 PM on 02/22/2012
All I know was I was in the RS presidency a few years ago and thought I'd read the BoM all the way through for a change instead of just studying scriptures in class every week.

What a load of whaffle! So I looked further into Joseph Smith and OFGS! Are you flipping kidding me? 11 wives married to other men and 7 under age 18? Seriously?

Not good. I'm ticked about Utah leaving polygamy to fester when Mormons were the law and should have cleaned house when it was outlawed.

The temple ceremonies are a lot of memorizing for ceremonies and far more bizarre than anything I've seen elsewhere in my church attendance. So's the clothing.

Don't miss it at all. Do like the Catholic treatment of Mother Mary, though. Mormons ignore women.
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03:34 AM on 02/18/2012
""The United States was built in large part on the belief in religious freedom," said political analyst Nicole Bacharan. "The French Republic was built against the church, and the value of separation of state and church is extremely strong. Whenever there seems to be some infringement, (the) French get all fired up.""

As Americans who are used to dealing with the American government, we need to remember that legal and cultural differences between countries are very real. And so I say that the above statement is really the crux of the article.

Why on earth would we expect the French government to behave like the American government? And why, for that matter, would we ever think that they should?

Our own views towards religion (being a country by and large founded by those attempting to escape persecution) are just as colored by our history as those views in France.
11:50 PM on 02/17/2012
Big houses of worship cradle smaller hearts and minds.Pretty but empty of purpose and soul, unless self -service is a worthy misson.
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TomeOfBullos
07:49 PM on 02/19/2012
Actually the whole purpose of the temple, other than sealings to family members and spouses, is to serve others.
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ModLib Pantheist
07:54 PM on 02/20/2012
In an abstract, religiously homogeneous way. Not in a way that helps society in any measurable way. If you need a conversion process in order for a person to think temples serve others, it's not service.
12:13 PM on 02/22/2012
Not really. It only serves the people inside the ceremony. It does nothing for the community, the homeless, the uneducated, or the sick. The "services" it renders are to a belief that what they're doing (making oaths and secret promises, special underwear, etc) are paving their way to heavenly glory. Its completely self-serving.
10:16 AM on 02/24/2012
Before the advent of skyscrapers, the general rule is that the most important institution in a community had the largest building. This isn't just a matter of demonstrating relative importance and inspiring awe, the most important institution is also likely to be the *busiest* institution with the most need for space.
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Boots16117
Gay as a picnic basket
06:26 PM on 02/17/2012
Ever notice there's never a cross on a Morm0n temple?
07:41 PM on 02/17/2012
And?
12:33 AM on 02/18/2012
There is an angel though. That's pretty cool. The angel represents truth restored to the earth. What rule of the universe mandates that there has to be a cross on top of a building use for religious purposes?
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wakawaka09
Capitalism is a cult.
06:46 PM on 02/18/2012
How does an angel represent truth restored to the earth? Please cite chapter and verse.
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
12:40 PM on 02/19/2012
The Angel Moroni is ONLY on there Temples. churches have a steel spear like top.
"When one person is delusional it is called insanity, when an entire group is , it is called religion."
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Reality always bites
Sometimes just a bit peckish
02:28 PM on 02/17/2012
At last- they are going to have a door that us atheists can knock at the most inappropriate times.
11:37 AM on 02/17/2012
The building in that photo up top. If it was South of Rome, we would call it Fascist architecture. If it was in Russia it would be Soviet, but it is in France so we call it Deco. If I was in some wild religion looking to go up in the world, I would grab it. It's got that neo-Egyptian, cinema, Woolworth 1930's look that funnily enough also goes really well with authoritarian excess. I want it.
01:35 PM on 02/17/2012
FYI, that photo is of a temple built in the 1920's in Cardston, Alberta.
Here's a pic of the one proposed for Chesnay. Quite different:
http://www.francetv.fr/info/la-construction-du-premier-temple-mormon-en-france-n-a-pas-que-des-adeptes_53751.html
A comment from the local mayor: "If Qatar had bought this piece of land to build a mosque, I would not have objected either".
01:47 PM on 02/17/2012
Thanks. I really like it.
01:55 PM on 02/17/2012
and thanks for link.