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Noble Street College Prep, Chicago School, Draws Scrutiny Over Student Fines For Disciplinary Infractions

By TAMMY WEBBER   02/20/12 04:33 PM ET  AP

CHICAGO -- A sense of order and decorum prevails at Noble Street College Prep as students move quickly through a hallway adorned with banners from dozens of colleges. Everyone wears a school polo shirt neatly tucked into khaki trousers. There's plenty of chatter but no jostling, no cellphones and no dawdling.

The reason, administrators say, is that students have learned there is a price to pay – literally – for breaking even the smallest rules.

Noble Network of Charter Schools charges students at its 10 Chicago high schools $5 for detentions stemming from infractions that include chewing gum and having untied shoelaces. Last school year it collected almost $190,000 in discipline "fees" from detentions and behavior classes – a policy drawing fire from some parents, advocacy groups and education experts.

Officials at the rapidly expanding network, heralded by Mayor Rahm Emanuel as a model for the city, say the fees offset the cost of running the detention program and help keep small problems from becoming big ones. Critics say Noble is nickel-and-diming its mostly low-income students over insignificant, made-up infractions that force out kids administrators don't want.

"We think this just goes over the line ... fining someone for having their shoelaces untied (or) a button unbuttoned goes to harassment, not discipline," said Julie Woestehoff, executive director of the Chicago advocacy group Parents United for Responsible Education, which staged protests last week over the policy after Woestehoff said she was approached by an upset parent

Students at Noble schools receive demerits for various infractions – four for having a cellphone or one for untied shoelaces. Four demerits within a two-week period earn them a detention and $5 fine. Students who get 12 detentions in a year must attend a summer behavior class that costs $140.

Superintendent Michael Milkie said the policy teaches the kids – overwhelmingly poor, minority and often hoping to be the first in their families to attend college – to follow rules and produces in a structured learning environment. He points to the network's average ACT score of 20.3, which is higher than at the city's other non-selective public schools, and says more than 90 percent of Noble graduates enroll in college.

While fights can be an almost daily occurrence in some urban high schools, Milkie says there's only about one a year on each Noble campus.

By "sweating the small stuff ... we don't have issues with the big stuff," he said.

Milkie said the fines also help defray the cost of administering after-school detention and the salary of the network's dean of discipline, which otherwise would divert money intended for education.

But Donna Moore said the district is manufacturing problems that lead to unproductive badgering of students, including her 16-year-old son, who had to repeat ninth grade at Noble's Gary Comer College Prep after racking up 33 detentions and several suspensions.

"It was nothing egregious, but just that the little things added up: a shirt unbuttoned, shoes not tied, not tracking the teacher with his eyes," said Moore, adding that her son has an attention disorder. "It's not normal to treat a young adult as a 2-year-old ... kids internalize that."

Woestehoff and Moore said some families have removed their children from Noble schools because they couldn't keep paying the fees, though Moore said her biggest complaint is the infractions. Milkie said Noble sets up payment plans and on rare occasions waives the fees, and students never would be held back a grade solely because they couldn't pay.

Even so, Matthew Mayer, a professor in the graduate school of education at Rutgers University, said a monetary fine is "highly inappropriate" because it likely has no bearing on students' academic performance and disproportionately hurts poor families.

"It's almost medieval in nature. It's a form a financial torture, for lack of a better term," Mayer said.

Emanuel defended the school, saying it gets "incredible" results and parents don't have to send their children there. Charter schools are exempt from most district policies.

Parent Tammy O'Neal said her two daughters are excelling at Noble's Muchin College Prep, and only one ever got detention, for not wearing a belt.

"If a kid is prone to getting in trouble and not taking school seriously, then (the fines are) a steep slope," she said. "But why don't you tell your kid to straighten up?"

Chadie Morris, 16, a sophomore at Noble Street College Prep, carries a 3.8 grade-point average at Noble Street College Prep, but figures she has paid $45 already this year for such things as talking in class.

"Sometimes it can be about the littlest things and you can still get demerits," she said. "Demerits are horrible; detentions are horrible."

But the aspiring lawyer, who struggled with absences until her adviser and principal persuaded her to come back, looks forward to attending a one-week summer college program.

Other charter school operators in Chicago and elsewhere said they don't fine students but respect Noble's academic success and its right to adopt its own discipline policy.

Tim King, CEO of Urban Prep Academies, which operates three high schools for boys in some of Chicago's toughest and poorest neighborhoods, said he believes "very firmly in a more therapeutic or restorative approach vs. punitive toward student conduct."

Every student in Urban Prep's first two graduating classes was accepted to a college or university.

At Knowledge is Power Program, a network of 109 charter schools in 20 states and the District of Columbia, middle school students are rewarded for good behavior with a weekly incentive "paycheck" – fake money that can be redeemed at the school store or used to defray the cost of field trip, spokesman Steve Mancini said. The system is phased out by high school because it's no longer needed.

Milkie, though, doesn't plan to change a thing.

"It's a beautiful system," he said. "I don't want to brag, but it is. It's why the kids are so successful."

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annyp
A Canuck, eh!
09:00 PM on 02/27/2012
I actually don't have a problem with this. When you are working there are rules, so when people say it lowers a child's self esteem, they will never make it in the workforce. I went to a school that had a lot stricter rules than this and it didn't have a negative affect at all.
04:51 PM on 02/22/2012
The rules that are being put into action are for good purposes. Hot chips, soda, and other un-healthy snacks are not allowed because they are not good. the obesity in the U.S has increased so much that Noble is actually helping. There is a reason for rules and in general they do help. If parents are not happy with what the school has to offer then it is the choice of a parent to transfer their kid somewhere else.
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
05:41 PM on 02/22/2012
Exactly...

Noble Street College Prep's (NSCP) discipline measures seem quite effective. Bravo. (F-i-n-a-l-l-y, decent news under the “Education” tab.)

Hopefully, NSCP won’t alter the system downward -- simply to appease the “financially-challenged” demographics under their care who experience difficulty with structure. We’ve witnessed that “idiot-ology” deployed in public schools over the last 30-plus years, and look at what that’s led to (and it isn’t pretty):

hks.harvard.edu/pepg/.../PEPG11-03_GloballyChallenged.pdf
10:35 AM on 02/22/2012
It is ridiculous but what do you expect when that is the only way they can control the kids? There has to be consequences to actions or else their will be no change in behavior.
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Mailman
08:40 AM on 02/22/2012
The problem is the people who complain not the school. Public school are just falling apart and this is a example of how things get done.
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ssassy78
Laughter is the best medicine.
10:45 PM on 02/27/2012
Then let public schools do the same thing, and have the same ability to exit students. Charter schools should be cleaning the clocks of public schools statistically and they're not; despite having the ability to make up their own rules and cherry pick their students. I'm not opposed to the policy of the school, but I'm opposed to it being funded by public money and compared to public systems that lack the same autonomy and regulation.
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Mailman
07:34 AM on 02/28/2012
Public money, it's their money shouldn't they have a say so with where there money goes?
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calmly2
Words matter.
07:38 AM on 02/22/2012
i don't have a problem with this. The kids know what the infractions are.
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Taterhead McGobstopper
Paddle faster, I hear banjos ...
12:38 AM on 02/22/2012
I have an old set of encyclopedias. From 1939. The entry for Berlin gushes at how clean and civilized and tough on crime the city was. They had laws against spitting on the sidewalk, too.
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Dimplezzz2002
Black is not a color, it is a state of mind.
10:23 PM on 02/21/2012
Charter schools are scams designed to destroy public education through privitization, decimate teacher's unions, and make a profit off Black and Brown families. It is no coincidence that charters only operate in minority communities.
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calmly2
Words matter.
07:36 AM on 02/22/2012
Not true.

The main point of charter schools is that they are locally owned and operated. They are supposed to be non-profit, and crested by local businesses and parents.

The ones run by management companies are the ones ripping off the system, by taking some of the money designated for the students.

There are a LOT of management-company charter schools, but there are also many that are doing it the right way. Not all are scams.
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ssassy78
Laughter is the best medicine.
10:47 PM on 02/27/2012
There is a LOT more of the latter happening than people want to acknowledge...

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-12-29/news/mavericks-in-education-florida-charter-schools-miami-dade-problems/

Are you really willing to risk building an education system where we simply say, 'not all are scams?'

I sure hope not!
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calmly2
Words matter.
07:36 AM on 02/22/2012
*created*
10:00 PM on 02/21/2012
Sometimes it might be difficult to act professional when you come from a bad environment. We want a good education, but can't because we were raised a certain way and are expect to change in an instant. It shouldn't be fair that our grades could mean nothing because of how we behave.

Some of the rules are too much and are not as reasonable. The kid could be misbehaving for a certain reason, bad living situation, and is expected to just forget about it when at Noble which is not possible. You can't just put aside what's making you angry or sad or whatever it is you're feeling, but you have to if you want to be at Noble. They give out demerits like candy!
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charmainefromwa
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09:46 AM on 02/22/2012
a murderer could be killing for a certain reason. we have many rules and murder is one of them. These kids are smart and kids are resilient. They get it and stop making excuses such as : Their home life or life style or culture may hinder them from getting it! Well they better learn to put aside or control their anger or they will be in big trouble. They need to learn that you cannot always go by what you feel. Feelings change. That is why at adult age we have to have ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES. They didn't get the rule at an early enough age. The kids I know can all learn proper rules of professionalism even those handicapped kids love to learn a better way. Ask the kids at NOBLE if they get it? What are we looking for an easy way or a prosperous and respectable way. I would rather see them get a demerit or many of them at this learning stage than to go on and have a life of breaking rules and end up in prison or lose their lives. It is fair that academic grades hinge on common sense and following rules. In the real world we do that every day.
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ItIsI76
05:53 PM on 02/22/2012
Guess what? When people grow up and get jobs they can't bring their family life or problems to work. It's good training for their future. Life isn't always easy and life isn't always fair. You have two choices, you can either wallow in it and let your desperation take you where desperation usually does, which is nowhere, or you can decide you will put your best foot forward, work hard and get where you want to go.
08:11 PM on 02/21/2012
God knows you NEVER want any discipline these days.
noahmarder
Exposing the regressive lies, one by one
05:59 PM on 02/21/2012
Any time someone in a position of authority has an incentive to punish those he has power over, there can be no justice. There is no reason to believe that all, or even a majority, of those who are fined by this program have actually committed the infractions they are accused of. There are no trials before an impartial jury, and no chance for the accused to face and cross examine the accuser. If instead of fines, the punishments were detentions, suspensions, and community service, the school wouldn't have any incentive to punish unfairly, nor to impose draconian rules, and one could have more confidence that those being punished deserved it, even without the protections afforded to someone facing a fine imposed by the legal system. Even then, miscarriages of justice always occur, and I believe students should always be afforded an impartial hearing before any severe punishments are meted out. The supporters of this policy are likely the same people who support the drug war and get tough on crime policies that have done nothing to make this country safer, and plenty to enrich the prison industry. Our education problems in this country are a deliberate effort by the government and corporations to dumb us down so that we can be easily controlled. Someone who blames the students is a clear success story for those who are ruining this once great country.
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07:03 PM on 02/21/2012
You would get more readers if you used paragraph breaks more often.
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Badforamerica
05:01 PM on 02/21/2012
Hey, I bet the Chicago thug approves of this taxation! Ya know which thug I'm talking about? He lives in The White House!
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ItIsI76
05:28 PM on 02/21/2012
How is this a tax?
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07:05 PM on 02/21/2012
...and how did Barack Obama raise anybody's taxes? Even the tax of 3 1/2 more percentage points on rich people hasn't gone into effect yet! I know winger propaganda likes to say taxes are raised, but they are NOT.
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robert horwitz
04:55 PM on 02/21/2012
It's no wonder Mayor Emanual thinks the fining program is just fine. That's what he likes to do best.
04:25 PM on 02/21/2012
I totally agree with the teacher that initiated this rule.... Should be applied to all schools in this country!
04:20 PM on 02/21/2012
Sounds like one mom is pissed her kid is a repeat offender. Than she has the back up of attention disorder, what other excuses has this woman made for her kid. Time to wake up and face reality kid, actions have consequences, mommy wont be there to complain and get you out of trouble after high school.
04:05 PM on 02/21/2012
Julie Woestehoff, executive director of the advocacy group, Parents United for a Responsible Education, pulled together with her group, and staged a "Protest" after being approached by an upset parent. This, according to the article. Not "two" parents of one student, but one, disgruntled parent. Julie dear, you have way too much time on your hands. If you want to know why schools are in the mess they are in, just look to Julie and her ilk. Enough said.