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Greek Debt Deal: Five Problems It Doesn't Solve

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 02/21/2012 12:10 pm Updated: 02/21/2012 12:10 pm

There are only three greater sources of confusion in the world than what's going on in Greece, and they are all found in quantum physics, David Lynch films and Ikea instruction manuals.

So we're a little nervous trying to tell you what we think will come next in Greece, and maybe the rest of the euro zone, after this weekend's deal to solve that country's short-term risk of collapsing into a big pile of debt and classical debris. But here goes.

Here's the main thing you need to know, and it's an easy one: This doesn't solve all of Greece's problems. Not by a long shot. It's still got quite a few problems. In fact, Greece is a living exception to what scientists call the Notorious B.I.G. Conundrum: It has less money, and yet it also has more problems.

"The one thing that is clear is that even if this bailout is ‘successful,’ it will set Greece up for a decade of painful austerity and low growth leading to social unrest," wrote the Open Europe blog, "while the eurozone will have to provide on-going transfers to help it keep its head above water."

To put it another way, as Christopher Vecchio, Currency Analyst at DailyFX did this morning in a note:

"At the end of the day, considering how perfectly in place the pieces will need to fall for this bailout and said reforms to make the necessary changes to help revitalize the Greek economy, I do not believe that a Greek default is off the table."

Problem One: Greece still has to get a lot of its private lenders to agree to take massive losses on its debt. A body called the Institute of International Finance has negotiated a deal that would have private creditors forgive 53.5% of the debt they hold, in exchange for some new Greek debt, some bonds issued by Europe's bailout authority and a version of Eurozone Crisis: The Home Game.

The problem? The IIF may not exactly speak for all of Greece's private creditors. The new loan to Greece assumes 95 percent participation by private creditors in the debt swap the IIF negotiated. Most analysts think this is a pipe dream. Without that sort of participation rate, Greece could have a harder time paying its debts and need yet another bailout.

There are also still the open questions of whether private investors will want to buy Greek debt in significant numbers again, and whether insurance policies investors have bought to hedge against a Greek debt default will be triggered.

Problem Two: Other euro-zone countries still need to approve Greece's latest round of financing. As we have seen repeatedly, this is the recipe for sturm und drang in parliaments throughout the euro zone.

"This may be more contentious than a rubber stamp," wrote Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman, in an email. "While this may be the case in the creditor nations as whole, it may be particularly true for Germany."

Problem Three: Greece still has to jump through several hoops of austerity fire in order to get this money. That will be unpopular with the Greek public, and may be impossible to pull off. It will also likely doom Greece's economy to a more-prolonged stretch of misery.

"The economy is immersed in an ‘austerity trap,’ where fiscal austerity and a deep recession feed each other with dire consequences," IHS Global Insight analysts wrote.

And more economic weakness could again knock Greece's already shaky fiscal house into greater imbalance, according to a sustainability analysis put together by the ECB, European Comission and the IMF (a/k/a "the Troika") and leaked to the press on Monday, raising the need for another bailout.

Problem Four: One of the highest hurdles for Greece is a demand that it change its constitution to make debt payment the government's highest priority.

Trouble is, Lombard Street Research points out, the Greek constitution cannot be changed until May 2013, five years after the last change to the Greek constitution. Who says this? The Greek constitution.

"The Greek Government can promise a Constitutional revision," LSR wrote in an email. "It cannot deliver for over a year, during which the pernicious consequences of the suicide pact will be obvious to all."

Problem Five: Even if everything goes as planned, Greece's debt-to-GDP ratio will still end up at 120 percent, according to the Troika's forecast. That is not sustainable, particularly if Greece's economy is still mired in recession/depression.

"That is clearly a significant improvement on the current level of 160 percent," writes Dario Perkins at Lombard Street Research in London, "but I don’t recall anyone believing it was sustainable last time it was around that level in 2009."

To make matters worse, Perkins notes, the Troika's forecast is based on unbelievably rosy assumptions about Greece's economy. He notes that Greek GDP shrank by 7 percent in 2011, a year in which Greece was supposedly not enthusiastic enough about austerity. The troika assumes a more-austere Greece is going to shrink by just 4 percent in 2012 and then enjoy a U.S.-like growth rate of 2 percent per year thereafter. We'll have whatever they're smoking.

"This is probably the last Greek bailout we will see, but not for the reasons the authorities are claiming," Perkins writes. "Neither the Greeks nor the EU will have the patience for another round of negotiations once this latest package unravels."

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04:54 PM on 02/22/2012
Europeans have to love Greeks and any other members to create Europe together, as much as West Germans love the East Germans to recreate Germany together. Europe needs an European community spirit as a national identification.
If it is all about profit and greed and not love, it will not work.
03:44 PM on 02/22/2012
The problem with Greece is that Greeks want the benefits of the state and an army but they don't like paying the taxes to support it. Do you notice the resemblance with republicans?
pistol13
Don't sweat the guard dog, worry about the Smith&W
12:27 PM on 02/22/2012
And here is something to ponder. If the U.S. continues on it's reckless spending spree we will look like Greece. "In return for the second bailout, Greece has agreed to painful and humiliating measure IMPOSED on them by its MISTRUSTFUL PARTNERS after 2 years of what they say are broken promises to reform. Athens agreed to cut spending and to permit OUTSIDERS to supervise its finances. They also demandded legal guarantees that creditors get paid BEFORE TEACHERS, DOCTORS AND POLICE". Now substitute the U.S. for Greece and you will see where we are headed thanks to Obama and his cronies. My guess is he will be asking for ANOTHER increase in the debt ceiling by November. You know that ceiling that he said Bush was unpatriotic for increasing and voted against it.
03:41 PM on 02/22/2012
Next time make sure that your president raises taxes to pay for unnecessary (or necessary) wars. Where were you when Bush was throwing money away in Irak?
pistol13
Don't sweat the guard dog, worry about the Smith&W
04:12 PM on 02/22/2012
Yelling about an unjust war. Now I'm yelling about unjust spending that will be the death of the U.S. Can't wait until China tells us what to cut. At least then we will have to do it to get more money.
11:43 AM on 02/22/2012
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2012/02/fearless-prediction-on-march-20-greece.html

On March 20, Greece has to come up with €14.3 billion—or else it will be bankrupt.

Of course, Greece doesn’t have €14.3 billion—that’s why the Troika of the IMF, the EC and the ECB are trying to hammer out a deal to bail them out again: A bailout to the tune of €136 billion.

But then . . . then we all started LOOKING at THE FINE PRINT OF THE DEAL. And that’s when everyone who follows this stuff started to realize that the deal wasn’t a deal—MERELY THE ILLUSION OF A DEAL.

1. [A]lthough the ECB has made a reasonable fist of complicating its subordination of the private bondholders – money out, profits redistributed, local central banks reinvesting and so forth – it remains a preferential deal done outside this so-called ‘bailout with PSI’.

2. NOBODY HAS ACTUALLY SIGNED UP TO ANYTHING YET: as usual with all things EuroZen, the bankers are alleged to be on-board,

3. The ‘agreement’ contains almost a full bottle of poison pills:

Only 19 cents on the euro will go to the Greek Government itself, 325 million euros in additional spending cuts have been found, ATHENS HAS AGREED TO CHANGE IT CONSTITUTION TO MAKE DEBT REPAYMENT THE TOP PRIORITY IN GOVERNMENT SPENDING,

4. Parliaments in three countries that have been most critical of Greece’s second bailout – Germany, the Netherlands and Finland – must approve the package.
11:08 AM on 02/22/2012
can anyone tell me what greece exports apart from olives, yoghurt and retsina wine,therein lies greece,s problems they simply don't make anything to sell.
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Susan Shaffer
tell me from the beginning
04:06 PM on 02/22/2012
they sell tourism and for that they didn't need to be in the eu.
A lot of greeks have migrated and having met greeks in and out of greece, I'd say those with any get up and go, got up and left.
I know greeks who went back to greece having been born outside of greece and raised with western mentality and work ethic. When they returned to greece it was all about late nights, siesta and finding a foreigner to supply with some income.
10:31 AM on 02/22/2012
Must be hard to write a check to someone for a loan when you know in advance you will never see a dime of it ever again.
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
03:04 AM on 02/22/2012
This is not about saving Greece. They are trying to save a corrupt economical system based on greed and inhumanity.
pistol13
Don't sweat the guard dog, worry about the Smith&W
12:15 PM on 02/22/2012
Otherwise known as Socialism.
02:05 PM on 02/22/2012
No, know as "Free Trade".
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02:18 AM on 02/22/2012
Default, devalue, decouple.
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02:15 AM on 02/22/2012
"Problem Five: Even if everything goes as planned, Greece's debt-to-GDP ratio will still end up at 120 percent, according to the Troika's forecast. That is not sustainable, particularly if Greece's economy is still mired in recession/depression"

US Debt to GPD ratio is about 100% and increasing.
11:56 AM on 02/22/2012
We went over yesterday 2/21:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-debt-gdp-passes-101-global-debt-ponzi-enters-its-final-stages

As US Debt To GDP Passes 101%, The Global Debt Ponzi Enters Its Final Stages

oday, without much fanfare, US debt to GDP hit 101% with the latest issuance of $32 billion in 2 Year Bonds. If the moment when this ratio went from double to triple digits is still fresh in readers minds, is because it is: total debt hit and surpassed the most recently revised Q4 GDP on January 30, or just three weeks ago. Said otherwise, it has taken the US 21 days to add a full percentage point to this most critical of debt sustainability ratios: but fear not, with just under $1 trillion in new debt issuance on deck in the next 9 months, we will be at 110% in no time.
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09:17 PM on 02/22/2012
It really is amazing.
09:30 PM on 02/21/2012
Don't you see the point here? The more debt they are in, the more the world bankers get to take when the bottom finally falls.

They'll probably tear apart the Parthenon and move it to the World Trade Center site for show.
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02:13 AM on 02/22/2012
Yea, except for the little fact that they may or not be lucky to get 53 cents on the dollar back. Thats a real good return...
09:13 AM on 02/22/2012
But then the world bankers will expect a world-wide taxpayer bailout, and probably get it.. Great system!
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Logicalthinker10
Meet the new boss, the same as the old one.
09:05 PM on 02/21/2012
Everybody get your financial crap in order. I am telling you that the fall/winter portion of this year will be horrible and will be the beginning of a new economic paradigm.
09:33 PM on 02/21/2012
b-but we're in a recovery. I saw that on the news the other day.
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Logicalthinker10
Meet the new boss, the same as the old one.
10:26 PM on 02/21/2012
Yeah, the corporate owned media.
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Logicalthinker10
Meet the new boss, the same as the old one.
09:02 PM on 02/21/2012
NO CRAP!
08:27 PM on 02/21/2012
A constitutional clause that says you can only change the constitution once every 5 years has to be the most silly thing I have ever heard of.
09:34 PM on 02/21/2012
Shoot, we don't even follow our Constitution anymore, so who cares?

The PA is the law of the land, now. A cop actually told that to a friend of mine one time while arresting him for DWI.
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KarmaPatrol
Fair and balanced and sugar-free
08:23 PM on 02/21/2012
Time to just give it up and print some more Euros (and make a European trip cheaper for Americans, not that I'd mind at all). I'll buy some baklava and spanokoepeta. Of course some of my countrymen will be eating Big Macs in the Louvre.
02:09 PM on 02/22/2012
Nice, I could use a vacation.
08:10 PM on 02/21/2012
It seems that this Greek Debt crisis has been played over and over on world stock markets. Given that a 1% drop in the NYSE is about $150 Billion and the total involved is about 300 billion U.S., the world stock markets have been played for what a trillion dollars U.S. in multiple > 1% losses over the last six months. This is a red herring of some sort being played again and again while someone collects the short sales. Just buy the damn debt and hold it over the Greeks. Tell them to show concrete proof of tax collections tied to specific tax payers and get on with it!