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Unemployment Insurance And What Happens To People Who Run Out

Posted: 02/22/12 10:54 AM ET  |  Updated: 02/22/12 02:18 PM ET

David Arrieta said he received his final $214 unemployment insurance check last week after losing his office manager job in August 2010.

"Hopefully I'll get hired," Arrieta said. "Hopefully we can rebound."

In case that doesn't happen right away, Arrieta, who lives in Scottsdale, Ariz., with his wife and three kids, said he cashed out his retirement account and is in the process of selling off personal possessions so his family can move into more affordable housing.

Millions of people have run out of unemployment insurance without finding work since the start of the Great Recession in 2007, and the government wants to know: What happens to them? Many politicians have worried the long-term jobless will wind up in another part of the safety net; others assume the unemployed are holding out for high-paying jobs and will take what they can get when their benefits run out. Available data show neither scenario offers a complete picture.

According to a new report from the Government Accountability Office, about a third of people who run out of benefits do find jobs, while another third of households benefit from one safety net program or another. The other third comprises people like Arrieto, who get by with family support while hoping for a rebound.

Using the most recent available data, the GAO found that of the 2 million people who lost jobs and ran out of unemployment insurance from 2007 to 2009, only 35 percent had found work by January 2010. Eighteen percent left the workforce and 46 percent remained totally unemployed (twice the jobless rate for "exhaustees" before the recession). Just 18 percent received some type of Social Security benefit and 15 percent received food stamps. Less than 3 percent landed on welfare. (Other studies have suggested the economy is pushing new waves of workers onto Social Security disability rolls.)

Several states last year checked in on people who ran out of benefits and came up with similar results. Twenty-seven percent of Nevadans who ran out of unemployment insurance landed in another part of the state's safety net, according to a November 2011 report. And state payroll records in Connecticut and Washington show that at most 35 percent of exhaustees had landed jobs after their unemployment income disappeared.

While most exhaustees face difficult financial circumstances, they aren't necessarily thrown into abject poverty. The GAO found that two-thirds lived with a household member who earned some money in 2009, and 40 percent had some income from savings, rent, interest or dividends. In total, 90 percent of people who ran out of unemployment insurance had some private income source in their households. The poverty rate for working-age exhaustees was 18 percent, compared with 13 percent for working-age adults overall.

David Arrieta said his household has had steady income thanks to his wife's speech therapy job, which brings in the U.S. median salary of just under $50,000 -- well above the $26,439 poverty threshold for a family of five. He said he also cashed out half of his IRA in order to pay the mortgage. Their income and assets would disqualify them for Medicaid, welfare or food stamps.

Arrieta's is among the 2 million households the White House estimates will run out of unemployment benefits this year. In 2010 and 2011, the Labor Department estimated 1.6 million and 2 million people exhausted their unemployment insurance, respectively. Starting late in 2009, combined state and federal jobless benefits lasted up to 99 weeks in some states (the maximum duration will drop to 73 weeks by the end of this year). As of January 2012, 1.8 million people had been out of work 99 weeks or longer.

Arrieta, 48, said his job search has been dismal, and he suspects his age is part of the reason, though he has no way to confirm it. "I have applied for security, janitorial, oil rig positions and all have replied back thanking me for applying but [saying they] will be seeking other candidates," he wrote in an email.

While his household's income makes his family ineligible for food stamps or welfare, last year they did avail themselves of another part of the safety net: bankruptcy protection. But Arrieta suspects the bankruptcy records are making his job search more difficult. He said that after interviewing for a position with a big professional services firm, the company asked him to explain his bankruptcy, then never made an offer.

Arrieta said he used to earn $55,000 a year. When he finds a new job, he'll likely earn less than he used to. The surveys in Connecticut and Washington found that the majority of re-employed exhaustees earned much less than before they were laid off. And among the 35 percent of exhaustees who had found work by the beginning of 2010, the GAO reports that 71 percent were earning less in their new jobs; of those, half experienced an earnings reduction greater than 26 percent.

Even without knowing the statistics, Arrieta can sense his next salary won't be as high as his last one: "I don't think I’ll find that kind of money again."

Arthur Delaney is the author of "A People's History of the Great Recession," HuffPost's first e-book.

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07:52 AM on 02/24/2012
DO folks think people prefer UE to a well paid job with good benefits?
UE is a base program to help one survive,
A real job gives you a real life and future.
Lets you live at a normal level.
THE idea that people prefer deprivation to abundance is silly.
nobodysgirl
VOTE in 2012, Women!!
12:11 AM on 02/24/2012
My story's pretty similiar. The numbers stretch into the millions. Some of us are single and don't have a partner who can help bring in money.

We've seen how much the right cares: not one bit.

I'm degreed and have had a professional careers for almost 30 years but pick up cans for recycling - it all goes to the ever-increasing gas prices.

It's good practice for when I become a bag lady.
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
10:00 PM on 02/23/2012
You have got to laugh at all those who post on here about how there are plenty of jobs and that all these people are just to lazy or picky. If we actually lived in this fantasy world called a "free-market economy", the pay scale would rise until you no longer had a problem filling open positions. Reality is that somehow/somewhere a decision has been made that a specific position is "worth" (for example) $12K a year, and the job will remain open until they can find someone willing to work for whatever pay is offered. Of course, this requires a screwed up economy, that creates enough desperate, unemployed people who have to work for whatever is offered.
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CarlyQ
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11:49 PM on 02/23/2012
I had an argument with a fellow a while back about the 25% of the youth population who were unable to find jobs were just lazy. He said if they just worked harder, they'd get the job. How would they do that, I replied, when there are only 75 jobs for every 100 of them?

He just didn't get it.
06:57 PM on 02/23/2012
I was laid off from my job of 12 years in 2008. My disabled wife (doesnt qualify for SS or disability) and I lost our home and everything. We joined a troupe of Vendors that traveled the country selling root beer at Renaissance Fairs, civil War reenactments etc. Did that for 9 mos until the owners ripped us off. About 2 1/2 yrs ago, I got a commission only sales job and we did ok. So far this year, sales suck. Our rent is behind, our power will be cut off next Thursday and we may be homeless again. I work very hard for 40-50 hrs a week but it seems like we are getting nowhere. I bet I won't even qualify for unemployment because I am a 1099 employee.
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loki
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10:10 PM on 02/23/2012
I do feel sorry for you and your wife. I assume you tried a lawyer for the SSDI claims? If not, you should. They work off commission of the final back pay and its not a lot when you consider it. My cousin went through the same thing, and he is in real bad shape. But SSDI automatically denies everyone first time. So try again, and use an attorney, then they usually actually look at the case and not just stamp it denied.

I too know people who worked for those home improvement stores are installer contractors, that when the stores dumped them, they had nothing to fall back on. Its rough out there, and that old propaganda story of Work hard and your will make it, is just a farce. Our so called capitalistic country is not set up to work that way anymore. Its either your are completely corrupt and criminal to make it, you have an idea that is light years ahead and will make someone billions, making you millions, or, you inherit from mommy and daddy and use that money to destroy and rip off others. Kind of like criminal, but you start with a bankroll and the start up criminal doesn't.
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10:41 PM on 02/23/2012
In 1984, my father was told by his cardiologist that he was dying of congestive heart failure.

We took him to the SS office to apply for disability.

He was denied.

We decided not to pursue the matter given how little time he had left, but Jeff should retain an SSDI attorney.
02:45 PM on 02/24/2012
Thank you. She has 3 herniated disks, Bipolar, severe depression, border line personality disorder and emotional control disorder. All diagnosed by several doctors. She has been hospitalized, attempted suicide, etc. We got a lawyer and have been to 3 hearings. This has been going on for 3 years. In the last, the judge declared her unable to work and ordered evaluations from 3 more doctors. The first two were independent and recommended approval of disability. The third works for the State of Florida and declared her "moderately" disabled. Of course that is the evaluation they go by - the Dr. that they pay. Again denied! We are hoping that the new health care "Obamacare" will at least enable her to get the medical care she needs. We have none and can't afford any more Dr's or medication. We really need changes in this country. But we still love America!
07:23 AM on 02/24/2012
SSDI attorney is the way to go.
WIFEs friend is one.
GETs it everytime.
TRY one.
05:39 PM on 02/23/2012
I know many businesses and companies that are hiring -- hiring all the time. But they're not advertising it to just anyone. That just gums up the channels with all of the cloned resumes and or people that just want "a job". As I've said many times,.we're not in business to hire people. You have to be what we're looking for...you'll know who we are, but even more important we'll know WHO you are. These aren't all extraordinary jobs, but they are great opportunities for who WE say is the right person. We are the new young gun entrepreneurs, the shot callers, very successful and make the rules now.
And in case you didn't know or even if you did -- it now reads: it not who we're going to hire, its who we're not going to hire.
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Gregor53
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07:06 PM on 02/23/2012
Then prove it by telling jeffrow63 in the post above you and help him. I challenge you to actually put actions were your mouth is. I do not mean any harm or degradation jeffrow63, but laser focused knows all about jobs now and he is a "new young gun entrepreneurs that call the shots now" and he makes the rules. By the way laser focused, just what to you sell or create? I would like to know. Market reason.
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msanonymous222
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09:35 PM on 02/23/2012
For someone who posts a lot, he's being conspicuous in his silence.
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loki
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10:11 PM on 02/23/2012
but helping others is so, anti Ayn Rand. Even though she mooched of of many people throughout her life, and of courses never repaid them.
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misterzay
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09:36 PM on 02/23/2012
Why do I get the feeling that you are so full of chit your eyes are starting to change color?
madisgp
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05:38 PM on 02/23/2012
When my unemployment ran out I had no other choice than to start my own business. Thankfully I live in a state where the other "Green" industry is thriving. Oh I tried getting a regular job but being in my mid 50s no one seemed to want me. I spent 2 years looking for a real job. Only got offered commission only door to door sales jobs. So I started my own green company providing medicines to patients. You would be amazed at how many older folks like myself I meet in this business. We're not getting rich but we are paying our bills.
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CaptainRenault
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04:01 PM on 02/23/2012
What happens to them? Let me tell you: for the 65% who did not re-enter the workforce, they went on food stamps and likely doubled up with family/friends, or they are squatting in a foreclosed house that Freddie or Fannie bought from the bank and are trying to survive until they get evcited. Their life stinks and they probably spend a lot of time at their local library, since they cannot afford a computer or an Internet connection. And they visit the food bank once a month.

Meanwhile neither party seems committed to creating jobs or helping them further. It's sink or swim, baby.

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05:46 PM on 02/23/2012
"doubled up with family" hey thats a part of the euro socialistic agenda that brock embraces...so in that regard, maybe some people are living out a tiny part of the brock's vision. you're probably backflipping over this. Oh and I suggest to all of you that swimming is the ONLY option, who wants the other -- for real.
nobodysgirl
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12:15 AM on 02/24/2012
Something's wrong with you inside.
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dailyfiber
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11:56 PM on 02/23/2012
Yes, Captain. You're right on the money. In the past year there have been six different tenants in the building in which I reside that have been either evicted or moved out due to long term unemployment. They ALL went to double up with a family member (except one who was going to squat in her brother's house as he had already moved out and had the house up for sale).

Lots of them at the Library (I am employed at one) that use the computers to aid in their ongoing job search. It really is such a shame. And the solution to this epidemic is so simple. Hire them. Hire them now before it all starts to come undone.
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CaptainRenault
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10:44 AM on 02/24/2012
It's a sad reality. A lot of these people are quite employable, but they need a little bit of coaching and a week or two to knock the rust off of their skills. Most employers are not willing to allow them the benefit of the doubt, and the gov't programs don't deal with the heart of the issues.

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BBackSoon
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02:06 PM on 02/23/2012
My wife has been looking for almost 2 years, the only call backs she gets are from a staffing agency, the few times they have called it was for bookkeeping jobs that pay $10 hour with no benefits and are 1 1/2 hours away from the house.

Not much out there.
05:47 PM on 02/23/2012
time to head out to somewhere else then.
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juicybrisket
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09:31 PM on 02/23/2012
moving requires money, genius.
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dailyfiber
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12:07 AM on 02/24/2012
As Laser Focus points out companies hire who THEY want to hire. And unfortunately they do not want to hire the unemployed. Or if they are willing to actually consider an unemployed candidate for a position they will offer $10.00 an hour. THEY (Laser Focus) know that the market is flooded with unemployed people who actually have valuable skills and experience but don't see a reason to pay them more than $10.00 an hour.
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BBackSoon
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09:33 AM on 02/24/2012
Yep, and only people with jobs that pay a living wage buy the products and services these businesses sell.

So it is kind of Catch 22 don't you think?
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sylkol
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09:55 PM on 03/24/2012
Does make sense. Same as apple paying people 2.40 a week or whatever. Because they can.
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01:00 PM on 02/23/2012
Much as I feel for Mr. Arrietta and his family, this article points out one of the major flaws in the BLS reporting of unemployment statistics.
Once Mr. Arrietta gets his last unemployment check, he is no longer counted as one of the unemployed. The BLS can then truthfully say that there is one less unemployed person in this country.
This has nothing to do with the current administration or any past administrations. It's just the screwy way that BLS has reported these figures for years. Sort of makes one wonder why the taxpayer funds an operation that continually supplies inaccurate and misleading information.
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03:41 PM on 02/23/2012
It IS inaccurate--but how to track the people still looking for work, it's like they dropped off the radar. And that includes people who've given up a full-scale job search in frustration but are still networking and sending out resumes, exploring leads.
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03:52 PM on 02/23/2012
Don't have an answer to that.
The people at BLS are supposed to (I hope) give us accurate and useable statistics.
The way it stands now, the stats can be interpreted any way that anyone wants.
There's a quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."
In the case of BLS, well, it figures.
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MiddleMolly
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09:27 PM on 02/23/2012
Please see the answers below yours. People are counted as long as they are still looking for work.
05:01 PM on 02/23/2012
"Once Mr. Arrietta gets his last unemployment check, he is no longer counted as one of the unemployed. "

That's not true. http://huff.to/eWgkIn
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MiddleMolly
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09:26 PM on 02/23/2012
Oops.. I didn't see your reply before I wrote mine.
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dailyfiber
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12:17 AM on 02/24/2012
Right that's not true. He is not counted at all as these stats come from a random survey of households. Unless he is in that 60,000 sample group we do not know that he is unemployed.
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Gary St Lawrence
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12:56 PM on 02/23/2012
What happens to people when they run out of unemployment insurance?

Well, according to Republicans, this is what happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
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CaptainRenault
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03:43 PM on 02/23/2012
Yeah, that about sums it up. F/F.

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MiddleMolly
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09:29 PM on 02/23/2012
Yep... I have to bookmark that one.
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dimplesmile7
11:45 AM on 02/23/2012
A tax cut is just paying the top 1% for doing nothing. They are taking the money and not hiring one living sole.
12:45 PM on 02/23/2012
companies are not in business solely to hire people...I know thats the liberal mindset, but thats not the way it works and its not going to change. get in on the gravy and start your own company. Oh and about 50% of people don't pay any federal taxes to begin with.
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Gary St Lawrence
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12:58 PM on 02/23/2012
Then why have we heard NOTHING but the term "job creators" from Republicans for the past two years as the sole reason why the Bush tax cuts must be permanent?

Nice use of the same tired, repeatedly disproven GOTP catch phrases. Polly wanna cracker?
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12:50 PM on 02/23/2012
So? Most companies are waiting to see if Obamacare gets repealed or found un-constitutional and if Obama gets re-elected. The biggest job creater would be to fire O.
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BBackSoon
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01:59 PM on 02/23/2012
Seems kind of odd many companies are actually doing better under O than under W. But yet they still hate him.
11:05 AM on 02/23/2012
At least when the people recieve welfare the money goes to benefit them. Corporations take the welfare and will not even hire the people paying the welfare for their free ride.
The system is broken because of corporate welfare and the bloated salaries of the elite who continue to collapse the economy.
Why aren't the free market hawks advocating a free market? They must have their hand in the trough also.
10:43 AM on 02/23/2012
The man in the article's family makes more money now than half the families in America makes. He needs to downsize. Live within his means. He should have received 26 weeks unemployment. Do we really need to subsidize people who are in the top 50% of wage earning families indefinately?
11:31 AM on 02/23/2012
He IS downsizing.
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msanonymous222
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04:53 PM on 02/23/2012
Sometimes it's like talking to a brick wall, Arthur. Thanks for all that you write about the unemployed and the underemployed as well.
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BBackSoon
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02:01 PM on 02/23/2012
Yea, just sell the house and move into a smaller one. Don't worry that your home will only sell for 2/3 what you owe on it, you can pay that off to the bank later.
10:26 AM on 02/23/2012
I'm unemployed again. I was discharged the 1st time because I couldn't return to work after the allotted 12 weeks of FLMA was up. My company fired me. I was in a terrible accident that broke my pelvis in 3 places. All I needed was 5 more weeks and I would of been 100%. I worked for this company for 5 years with no accidents or write ups. Anyway 6 months latter I found another job and worked 8 months with them. Once again no write ups no accident just was the last person they hired and they had to cut back. I'm on unemployment again. Now a temp service wants to hire me for a seasonal job that will end in 4 months for 4 dollars less a hour than I was making. I will be doing exactly what I was doing at my last job. What am I to do? I will be unemployed again in 4 months and my pay keeps going down and so does my standard of living.
11:27 AM on 02/23/2012
well living on ue handouts will definitely take down you standard of living and self esteem and eventually your marketability entirely -- for anything. your decision though.
11:44 AM on 02/23/2012
Your right but in 4 months out of work again.
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Timothy Ven
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10:21 AM on 02/23/2012
--- Just 18 percent received some type of Social Security benefit and 15 percent received food stamps. Less than 3 percent landed on welfare. ---

Excuse me Arthur, but food stamps is a part of welfare. I'm not digging on the fact that the 15% went on food stamps; I'm glad it is there for them, but saying you should clarify that statement since it is a part of the welfare system
10:24 AM on 02/23/2012
Food stamps is no longer considered welfare so the government can brag about how welfare rolls have plumetted.
11:33 AM on 02/23/2012
No, they are separate programs with much different means tests. Welfare is shorthand for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program; food stamps is short for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. TANF has tougher eligibility thresholds and you gotta have kids.
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12:28 PM on 02/23/2012
The welfare system in the United States began in the 1930s, during the Great Depression. After the Great Society legislation of the 1960s, for the first time a person who was not elderly or disabled could receive aid from the American government. Aid could include general welfare payments, health care through Medicaid, food stamps, special payments for pregnant women and young mothers, and federal and state housing benefits.
From Wiki

Even the current crop of republican contenders define food stamps as welfare. The government defines it as welfare. A rose by any other name is still a rose, no matter what you call it
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12:30 PM on 02/23/2012
FRom welfareinfo.org -

Types of Welfare Available

The type and amount of aid available to individuals and dependent children varies from state to state. When the Federal Government gave control back to the states there was no longer one source and one set of requirements. Most states offer basic aid such as health care, food stamps, child care assistance, unemployment, cash aid, and housing assistance.