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Gas Prices: Hot Or Not?

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First Posted: 02/24/2012 1:20 pm Updated: 02/24/2012 5:27 pm

So everyone in the world is worried about high gas prices. Or not. Because they really matter. Or not.

That sums up the current razor-sharp state of thinking about the recent rise of gasoline prices to $3.65 a gallon nationally, with $4 a gallon probably coming soon to a gas pump near you. Crude oil at last check was up to $109 a barrel on the Nymex at lunchtime on Friday.

Let's start with economists. They don't much care about gas prices, apparently.

Barclays Capital economist Peter Newland today wrote that the climb in prices has been gentle enough to let consumers adjust to it:

"The effect on growth of a rise in energy prices depends importantly on the abruptness of the increase," he told clients. "We found that, given a gradual and temporary rise, consumers are able to adjust saving patterns to smooth consumption, minimising the impact."

What are you paying at the pump? We want pictures of your receipts and the gas price signs you're seeing in your hometown. Send them to us at money@huffingtonpost.com.

Economists at Capital Economics, who have been fairly bearish on the global economy this year, say this is not the recession trigger they're looking for. They point out that U.S. gasoline prices are closely correlated to Brent crude prices in London, not the Nymex crude oil prices we're used to seeing. Those Brent crude prices are at an even-scarier $125 a barrel -- and yet that is only consistent, historically speaking, with U.S. gas prices of less than $4 a gallon:

"The recent $15 a barrel rise in the price of Brent crude oil, to just over $125, represents a relatively modest increase," they wrote in a note to clients. "The price of crude oil is still slightly below where it was at this time last year and, even allowing for a modest rise, retail gasoline prices can be expected to remain well below the $4.00 a gallon mark."

Four dollars a gallon is at least a psychological barrier, at which the national panic level about higher gas prices shifts into higher gear. If we don't get there, we will have less of a freakout.

Several other economists told Reuters on Thursday that the surge in gas prices was still at low risk of causing a national panic, pointing out this year's gain hasn't been nearly as fast as last year's, and that this year's gain has been offset by collapsing natural-gas prices and a warm winter.

Joe Weisenthal at Business Insider wrote that, based on a look at Google searches for "gas prices," people aren't all that worried about gas prices. Maybe the relatively slow climb in prices could help explain that.

Weisenthal also claims that any concern about gas prices is all so much media hype. That's a weaker case.

People are at least keeping a wary eye on the price of gas -- even if they're not all holding prayer vigils over it. For a lot of consumers without access to mass transit, higher gas prices are imminently noticeable. And they're a sort of tax: You've got to pay for gasoline in order to go to work. You don't have to pay for that night out at the movies. If gas prices go high enough, you'll have to choose between the two.

"Rising gasoline prices tend to curb spending on discretionary service items like dining out, entertainment and consumer electronics, which given the weak pace of spending does not bode well for growth this quarter," Bloomberg economist Richard Yamarone wrote today, (via Barry Ritholtz.)

President Obama felt concerned enough about gas prices to talk extensively about them yesterday, and Republicans apparently feel they can use this as a weapon against him in the election.

For now, the economists seem to have the better side of this argument, God help us all. Gas prices really haven't risen that quickly -- yet -- and the economy seems to be better cushioned to handle the blow than it was a year ago.

Pricier gas does not seem to have dented consumer moods yet. The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index for February ticked up to 75.3 from 75 in January, the highest in a year.

Maybe that sentiment index would be higher if not for the rise in gas prices, but consumers for now have enough other good stuff happening -- slightly better job market, slightly higher stock prices -- to help ease their pain.

For now.

"The recent news on the jobs front is cause for some hope that the future will look brighter, but as gasoline prices rise consumer confidence takes a beating," warned Chris Christopher, economist at IHS Global Insight.

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So everyone in the world is worried about high gas prices. Or not. Because they really matter. Or not. That sums up the current razor-sharp state of thinking about the recent rise of gasoline price...
So everyone in the world is worried about high gas prices. Or not. Because they really matter. Or not. That sums up the current razor-sharp state of thinking about the recent rise of gasoline price...
 
 
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11:07 AM on 03/01/2012
From Yahoo News 3/1/12:

Energy Secretary Chu Admits Administration OK with High Gas Prices.

By Mark Whittington | Yahoo! Contributor Network

President Barack Obama's Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu uttered the kind of Washington gaffe that consists of telling the truth when inconvenient. According to Politico, Chu admitted to a House committee that the administration is not interested in lowering gas prices.

Chu, along with the Obama administration, regards the spike in gas prices as a feature rather than a bug. High gas prices provide an incentive for alternate energy technology, a priority for the White House, and a decrease in reliance on oil for energy.
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Obama claims to supports the middle class. He claims that the wealthy should pay more in taxes; however, the only people who can really afford gas prices are the wealthy. Middle class wage earners have to struggle even more to make ends meet. Green energy should be encouraged, but not on the backs of the middle class. Middle class wage earners can't afford to purchase a $40,000 Nissan Leaf. Change from one source of energy to another can't be done overnight.
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baldwjo
Rehabilitating Liberals..One by one!
03:12 PM on 02/26/2012
To suggest that Obama’s energy policy is a failed one, gives it far more credit than it deserves and might better be called, the Obama no energy policy
11:18 AM on 02/26/2012
The price of oil has surged ~ 15 percent the past seven weeks and gasoline prices have never been higher this time of the year.

Due to the rise in oil prices Iran’s current income from oil sales could actually be higher than before the sanctions were put in place and the rise in prices are likely to reduce global growth.

If governments around the world really want to maximize the effect of sanctions and keep their economies growing they could release oil from their Strategic Petroleum Reserves (SPR’s). A large release both overseas and in the US would reduce prices.

I would suggest a release of 200 million barrels total , 100 million in the US and 100 million overseas. Each should release 10 million a week for 10 weeks.

If we were to release 100 million barrels the government would net a profit of ~ 7 to 8 billion dollars, since there average cost of the oil in the reserve is ~ $30

The money could be used to refill the reserve when oil got back to a more resonable level.

Remember that war can be fought either economically or militarily

Average price paid for oil in the Reserve - $29.76 per barrel
http://fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/spr/spr-facts.html
10:05 AM on 02/26/2012
Of course Huffpo is going to have an article designed to minimize the high gas prices in your liberal minds.
But there is one thing huffpo and you liberals can't ignore and that is the more money that goes in the tank the less food is on the table,people have a tendency to vote their pocketbooks during hard times.Each rise in gas prices in another major chink in your muslim marxist's armor.
I call him muslim because he has bowed to every muslim leader,yet for some reason forgets to bow to christian ones
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
10:00 AM on 02/26/2012
Obama says Pubs will say the solution is 'drill baby, baby' and he speaks the truth. Then he will say that would make no difference in gasoline prices, and here, he proves there are no limits to lies he will tell you. Gasoline prices in Canada, just a few miles away, are 1/3rd what they are here.
http://gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx?cntry=USA (btw US/CAN exchange rate is currently 1/1.)
09:58 AM on 02/26/2012
What people should be worried about are the profits that companies like Exxon and Chevron will be reporting, which will be huge, all made while receiving government subsidies on top of their price gauging behavior. There will not be a single Republican ready to end this corporate welfare despite billions in profit by these companies. End Corporate Welfare in America.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
10:22 AM on 02/26/2012
America is turning into an aristocracy of the rich - a plutocracy. Your idea to end corporate welfare will be outvoted and outspent.
06:19 PM on 02/26/2012
spinotter---The movement for ending corporate welfare will undoubtedly be outspent, but it can not be outvoted. In the end, the Koch brothers are just two men with an incredible amount of money, hugely subsidized by the government. It does take people to vote for a different direction........and that will take time. Don't give up hope.
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tin soldier
No more Mr. nice guy
01:56 PM on 02/29/2012
You're right everyone should consider the profits oil companies make ,Anyone with a 401k that is . There are millions of investors and retirees and 401k holders that are invested in oil companies, millions
Those people either re-invest the profit or spend the profit, either way,they help the economy.Stop thinking the oil companies are 6 guys throwing money up in the air and rolling in it.
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Wayne Caswell
Consumer Advocate & Founder of Modern Health Talk
09:30 AM on 02/26/2012
Attorneys, Lobbyists and campaign contributions/bribes are expensive, but here's a cheap (and profitable) way to get their pipeline built and candidate elected -- force up gas prices even when there's no supply problem and demand is at record lows.
11:09 AM on 02/26/2012
"and demand is at record lows."

If you exclude China, Brazil, India, and other emerging market economies, then you are correct.
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Andy49
pragmatist
08:36 AM on 02/26/2012
Refineries are dropping here and in Europe like flies. There has been a lose of 40% of our east coast supply in the past year and more are about to stop production the picture is bright for the producers and very bleak for the consumers.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
02:22 AM on 02/26/2012
US demand for oil/gas is at its lowest level since 1997. Domestic production is at it's highest level since 2004. Last year we imported less than 50% of the oil we used for the first time in about 30 years. Last year our number one export was fuel (i.e. gasoline, diesel and jet fuel). The reasons gas prices are going up in the US have NOTHING to do with the fundamentals of "supply and demand" in the US and therefore there is basically NOTHING the President or anyone else in America can do about it. If you think otherwise you are simply ignorant of what's really going on....
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
10:24 AM on 02/26/2012
What the government could do is to investigate the reasons why fuel prices shift so irrationally and make laws to prohibit the practices that allow it to happen.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
08:34 PM on 02/26/2012
The Obama administration had been trying to get anti speculation rules/laws into place for the past couple of years and they finally succeeded last fall but the new rules won't go into effect until November 2012. Convenient that the GOP was able to delay them until after the election, don't you think?
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11:11 PM on 02/25/2012
Are you kidding? Of course a bunch of bankers, economists and speculators - the folks who get rich when the price of gas goes up - understate the impact and public outrage at the gas spike. But if Obama or any other politician thinks he can skate past this spike, he's got another thing coming. The price of gas in 2008 was the last straw that got the GOP tossed out of the executive branch and brought Obama in. If Obama tries to reason the current spike away as unavoidable (again listening to the bankers who keep misleading him) then he WILL suffer the same fate.

It's very simple: If our president wants a second term he'd better open up a big can of populist whoop-arse against the speculators. He'd better take a page from FDR and go after the speculators who are lining their pockets at the expense of the economy and the 99%. Otherwise his administration is toast!
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buddbo1
Progressive voter.
10:03 PM on 02/25/2012
Anyone who bought the $2 gas price from Bachman and Newt, should know the price is not set by the president, if it was Bush would have lowered the price when he was faced with higher prices. The world market sets the price, based on speculations, price per gallon, and tensions in the mid east. The Repubs are sooo desperate to blame the president for all things, but ask them how are they going to create that cheap gas. The fracking from Canada wouldn't help as it would go to the world mkt. The president has a promise from the Saudies to make up any oil losses Iran holds back, release some of the oil surplus we're sitting on ? Maybe, but that would be a small drop in the bucket, and do nothing to bring down the pump price.
09:50 AM on 02/26/2012
Unlike your marxist ruler the republicans would do something to lower prices,where you incompetent marxist messiah has done everything he can to get them higher,Remember how he judge shopped in Louisianna to close drilling in the gulf,how he misrepresented a scientific study by saying that the all was for closing drilling ,when the report stated the exact opposite.
How do you reconcile the fact that your president is giving people who buy aChevy Volt a 10,000 dollar rebate,when the average income of a volt buyer is 176 thousand per year?
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TheMilesHome
In the Conservatory, with a Pipe Wrench.
11:51 AM on 02/26/2012
American oil production is at it's highest rate since 2004.

We are less dependent on foreign oil than we have been since 1996.

What the hell are you talking about?
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whyus
San Francisco native
09:53 PM on 02/25/2012
The republiKons want to use this tactic against Preident Obama of course. And why are the people standing in front of an Exxon. I stopped going to them after the Valdez oil spill.
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ohiomark
Rush Geek
09:46 PM on 02/25/2012
So, these so called "economists" aren't worried about rising gas prices?

Well, maybe they are not worried, but the rest of us who are seeing the prices of everything affected by high gas prices going up, such as food, clothing and everything transported to the stores by trucks ARE worried.
12:20 PM on 02/26/2012
better know as and most commonly phrased as INFLATION...NOBAMA 2012
08:26 PM on 02/25/2012
Every % point something goes up above and beyond wages is a pay cut.

Consumers don't 'adjust' - they have less money to spend on other items.

OR...they save less.

OR...the incur debt which eventually reaches a breaking point.

Economists don't understand economics which is why they NEVER, *EVER* see recessions coming much less depressions.
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graffitijoe
snowballs chance n SoCal
05:53 PM on 02/25/2012
Trading my Ford in for another Hyundai.