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Obama To Autoworkers: Republicans Think 'You're Some Greedy Special Interest'

Posted: 02/28/12 11:38 AM ET  |  Updated: 02/28/12 12:55 PM ET

Barack Obama 2012

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- By virtue of the fact that a Republican presidential primary has waged in Michigan these past few weeks, the candidates have made the argument, over and over, that the auto industry bailout was a boondoggle for the unions. The chief perpetuator of this line of thinking has been Mitt Romney, who has declared on multiple occasions that the United Auto Workers were given a sweetheart deal when the president bailed out the Big Three, while creditors were forced to wait in line.

Romney's history has been questioned by several fact-checking organizations. Obama's former auto czar Steven Rattner, meanwhile, took to the New York Times op-ed page to note that UAW members were given company stock in exchange for dropping claims to health care coverage they had been guaranteed under previous contracts.

But the question, as asked by The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn, has always remained: What exactly is the big deal if the union made out better than creditors?

Romney has argued that the big deal is corruption: The president was supported by the UAW and paid them back with a favorable bailout. Both the unions and the White House have disputed this. But in practical terms, the notion that the unions got a better deal for their workers than creditors got for themselves isn't exactly radical.

On Tuesday at an address to the United Auto Workers convention in Washington D.C., the president argued rather that lawmakers should be cheering the improving conditions of the Big Three employees.

From the embargoed text:

[It]'s been funny to watch some of these politicians completely rewrite history now that you're back on your feet. These are the folks who said if we went forward with our plan to rescue Detroit, "You can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye." Now they're saying they were right all along. Or worse, they're saying that the problem is that you, the workers, made out like bandits in all of this; that saving the American auto industry was just about paying back unions. Really? Even by the standards of this town, that's a load of you-know-what. About 700,000 retirees saw a reduction in the health care benefits they had earned. Many of you saw hours reduced, or pay and wages scaled back. You gave up some of your rights as workers. Promises were made to you over the years that you gave up for the sake and survival of this industry, its workers, and their families. You want to talk about values? Hard work -- that's a value. Looking out for one another -- that's a value. The idea that we're all in it together -- that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper -- that is a value. But they're still talking about you as if you're some greedy special interest that needs to be beaten. Since when are hardworking men and women special interests? Since when is the idea that we look out for each other a bad thing? To borrow a line from our old friend Ted Kennedy: What is it about working men and women they find so offensive?

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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- By virtue of the fact that a Republican presidential primary has waged in Michigan these past few weeks, the candidates have made the argument, over and over, that the auto industr...
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- By virtue of the fact that a Republican presidential primary has waged in Michigan these past few weeks, the candidates have made the argument, over and over, that the auto industr...
 
 
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noaxe397 07:00 PM on 02/28/2012
Part 1 This appeared in the February 23rd edition of the Las Vegas Review Journal. To the editor: In your Monday editorial, "What's good for GM ..." you wrote: "Chrysler is now majority-owned by Italy's Fiat, which didn't have to put up a single euro to benefit from that massive giveaway."........................... Let's set the record straight. Fiat S.p.A. has paid almost $2 billion to increase its equity  Read More...
01:57 PM on 03/01/2012
okay so the bailout was not pandering to the UAW. Then please expalin why 30,000 non union workers at Delphi, a subsidary of GM that supplies all of their electronics lost up to 70% of their pensions? The administration likes to claim they stepped in to save a poorly managed company and the industry, then why did Ford not need help? When it was looking like GM might fold and be able to force restructuring of the UAW contracts, the adminstration stepped in to protect their biggest special interest. So again I ask, if the President was so concerned about saving the jobs of all the people in the auto industry, why did only the UNION workers get help and the non-union workers left out in the cold? Now that the UAW has its claws in GM, it is only a matter of time before the company again begins to struggle. It is simply not possible for GM to compete with companies with lower labor cost who are able to build higher quality cars and still make a profit. Gee I wonder how many of you here actually ran out an bought a GM car? It is pretty clear very few if any bought a Volt. The UAW contracts forced GM to build crap and that is why they failed.
10:05 AM on 03/02/2012
Blaming the UAW entirely is just as wrong as omitting their role.

GM management made the decisions that ended up in GM paying Fiat $2 billion just to be released from a previous deal, for example.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-02-14-fiat-gm_x.htm

The 70% number comes because of upper limits on PBGC protected pensions:
"For 2012, the maximum guarantee for a life annuity with no survivor benefits is $55,840.92 yearly ($4,653.41 monthly) at age 65."
http://www.pbgc.gov/res/factsheets/page/guar-facts.html

Yes, Ford did get a large loan in September 2009.
"Ford Motor Company closed a $5.9 billion loan arrangement under the Department of Energy’s Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program to upgrade factories across Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, and Ohio and to introduce new technologies that will raise the fuel efficiency of more than a dozen popular vehicles."
https://lpo.energy.gov/?projects=ford-motor-company

But yes, the dominant result of forming a new GM company was to protect union wages and retirements.
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franksnmail
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01:56 PM on 03/01/2012
A famous quote:

"Of the many responsibilities granted to a president by our Constitution, few are more serious or more consequential than selecting a Supreme Court justice. The members of our highest court are granted life tenure, often serving long after the presidents who appointed them. And they are charged with the vital task of applying principles put to paper more than 20 centuries ago to some of the most difficult questions of our time."
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TexasTreader
My other dog is a gator
08:19 PM on 02/29/2012
Uh... Yeah.
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oftenon
cartoons are the best explanation
06:09 PM on 02/29/2012
Dismembered conservative intellects equate corporate success with money but god forbid that money should be infected by touching human hands.

God save the President of the United States of America.
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franksnmail
Here's What I Really Think!
05:05 AM on 03/01/2012
that's about all that can save the clown!
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tmm77625
The winner is the one who stops first
05:18 PM on 02/29/2012
The UAW really IS a greedy special interest. Duh.
03:43 PM on 02/29/2012
Republicans are just upset that a portion of the country hasn't lost their jobs yet. Yes, job retention COULD have been avoided. All they had to do was let the auto industry collapse.
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franksnmail
Here's What I Really Think!
05:08 AM on 03/01/2012
It wouldn't have collapsed, they would have reorganized, made a better deal with the Unions and got back on track. Everyone knows the Unions are too powerful, wake up and admit it.
redonthehead
Winning trophies for my game face alone
03:01 PM on 02/29/2012
Anybody notice that they took the link to this off the front page? I guess they weren't getting the response they hoped for
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Blufftonian
FORWARD! he cried from the rear
04:59 PM on 02/29/2012
:-)
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oftenon
cartoons are the best explanation
06:11 PM on 02/29/2012
unless you actually authored your carped bio hadn't you should ease up on editorial snarking?
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Blufftonian
FORWARD! he cried from the rear
12:55 PM on 02/29/2012
How does GM's effective tax rate compare with Warren Buffett's secretary's?

Pretty sweet deal for GM: The US Treasury allowed GM to retain its $45 Billion in NOL carry forwards with a book value of around $18 Billion, which would have been lost in bankruptcy, a massive tax benefit to one of the Democratic Party's largest supporters.

Gee, life under the Obama regime is swell. At least, for its supporters.
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Twelve
Uber Liberal And Proud Of It
01:11 PM on 02/29/2012
You are so full of crap.. Typical bagger. You sound like a Fox pundit.
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Blufftonian
FORWARD! he cried from the rear
01:27 PM on 02/29/2012
Proud uber liberal isn't very well-informed. Does the Treasury deal not jive with your view of government's role in the economy and "private" industry?
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
01:11 PM on 02/29/2012
Why don't you start your own thread or try staying on topic?
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Blufftonian
FORWARD! he cried from the rear
01:25 PM on 02/29/2012
The auto industry, specifically GM, IS the topic.

What's the matter? Don't you like crony capitalism?
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VISO
12:38 PM on 02/29/2012
Republicans have been rewriting history and everything else. No surprise here.
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franksnmail
Here's What I Really Think!
05:11 AM on 03/01/2012
Democrats ignore History - what's the difference?
12:24 PM on 02/29/2012
Looking at the response from critics here,,One wonders what their definition of patriotism is..or "loving one`s country actually means,, They seem to be unhappy that a 100`s of thousands of their fellow Americans ,, were able to economically survive with all of our help..Is it because those that survived may vote partially more for DEMS ?? I for one ,,don`t wish ill on my fellow Americans who vote GOP,,,,WTF has happened to us? We are being divided to be easier abused
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franksnmail
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05:16 AM on 03/01/2012
First, it wasn't hundreds of thousands..
Second, they were going to reorganize when the government stepped in and gave them billions of taxpayer dollars that we may NOT get back.
Our whole system is a mess, time to start thinking about a THIRD party for 2016 that will be good for all of us that are in the niddle of the road here.
12:22 PM on 02/29/2012
Why does it bother Rmoney when the American worker is in the Middle Class? Why does he want to push them into low wages that barely provide a life?
12:14 PM on 02/29/2012
Rewriting History in every dimension of our life, and our past, for example: Republican Congressional Candidate Says 'Holocaust Never Happened'......
11:56 AM on 02/29/2012
Rewriting history is the only way to make the GOP not look so bad. Stalin and Mao were pretty good at this. They GOP have alresdy been actively trying to rewrite science for years, so this new foray into rewriting history only seems logical. Ultimately they would rather all kids be educated at church or home.
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franksnmail
Here's What I Really Think!
05:21 AM on 03/01/2012
Have you paid ANY attention to what they are teaching in our schools? You might want to do some investigating. Liberals, ACLU and others like them are destroying the history of American, deleting facts, re-writing history, omitting things that were importand, censoring books, changing the wording to suit their own ideas. Our soceity is SICK!
12:48 PM on 03/01/2012
I know the right doesn't want people to know the truth. From evolution to the Trail of Tears the GOP would rather our kids don't know anything except bible verses. One shouldn't be afraid of the truth, it is through it's pursuit that one aquires wisdom.
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Mile End
Keep Church separate from State
11:51 AM on 02/29/2012
If Romney had has his way, the automakers would have gone bankrupt the Bain Capital way. The carcass would have been picked clean by bondholders and management, and the American worker would have walked away with nothing. And there would be no American auto industry left.
redonthehead
Winning trophies for my game face alone
11:58 AM on 02/29/2012
The American worker did walk away with nothing. Did the union cut a check to it's members?
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12:03 PM on 02/29/2012
Tell that to the thousands of people who are still working because of this.
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Mile End
Keep Church separate from State
12:12 PM on 02/29/2012
The union got JOBS for its workers, and that is always priority #1 for the union.
redonthehead
Winning trophies for my game face alone
11:39 AM on 02/29/2012
Companies go bankrupt all the time. Viable ones emerge from bankruptcy in better shape. That couldn't happen here because the union which collectively gave over $100MM to the Obama campaign had to be paid off. They were given stock worth $5.2 billion dollars. That's a pretty good return on investment don't you think? I wonder how much money will flow from the UAW into political campaigns? The rank and file union member didn't see one dollar of that money. I know the pensioners got rolled under the Chevy. So where did that money go?
12:27 PM on 02/29/2012
its for healthcare for retired workers that's what the money is for
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franksnmail
Here's What I Really Think!
05:24 AM on 03/01/2012
hope you aren't counting on it...
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mtn viking
This space for rent.
12:33 PM on 02/29/2012
It's a sad day when unions are able to force the oligarchs at the top of these corporations to share their millions with the workers that make it possible. Why can't we just chain these "workers" to their machines like they do in the third world? That would give these 99%ers something to complain about.
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M Grey
07 Saluting our armed forces
12:43 PM on 02/29/2012
So you like a "workers" organization that runs the country. Now the state owns a car company and will never let it fail. It will tax the country so that these workers can have a pay check regardless of whether they actually produce anything or not.

That's Socialism/Communism. And it didn't work.