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Michael Lewis: It's A Bad Idea To Give Millions To 24-Year-Olds Who Don't 'Know Anything' [VIDEO]

Posted: 03/01/12 02:17 PM ET  |  Updated: 03/01/12 02:25 PM ET

Michael Lewis

When the history books make their judgments about pre-crisis Wall Street, they'll come down hard on those salaries for twenty-somethings -- at least according to Michael Lewis.

Asked what people will think of when they look back at the mid-2000s financial industry, Lewis answered with a question. "How did you not notice that 24 year-olds were being paid $2 million a year who clearly didn't know anything really?" Lewis, the author famous for The Big Short, asks during a Slate interview.

Lewis chronicled his own time as a green, well-paid bond salesman in his book Liar's Poker, including an anecdote where the famous author got his job at the now-defunct Salomon Brothers in the 1980s essentially by sitting next to the right person at a fancy dinner. But Lewis is far from the only person raking in big bucks with little experience.

In the lead up to the financial crisis, Wall Street workers were pulling in huge paychecks and bonuses -- including those fresh out of college with little experience. In 2006, a twenty-something analyst could home a base salary of $130,000 with a $250,000 bonus at Merrill Lynch, according to The New York Times. Graduates of the nation's best colleges rushed to Wall Street with promises of huge paychecks that would allow them to spend hundreds of dollars on dinners and golf outings. Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America during the height of the financial crisis.

Even after the collapse, young financial industry workers are still raking in the big bucks. Hans Kullberg, a 27 year-old trader, told Bloomberg earlier this week that he makes $150,000 per year -- though he's had to cut back on his formerly lavish travel habits in recent months as cuts to pay and bonuses have rocked the industry this year.

But paying baby-faced traders huge salaries is only one of many problems that lead to the financial meltdown, Lewis told Slate, citing the "obliviousness to the conflict of interest at the heart of the Wall Street firms.”

"Once they're gambling with their own money in the same securities they're advising you to buy and sell, there's this huge conflict of interest," he told Slate. "Eventually what is going to happen is what did happen: They're going to design securities to fail, sell them to you and take the other side of the trade."

In the wake of the financial crisis, a Senate report stated one such conflict of interest. Goldman Sachs, the report alleged, sold its clients products the company itself knew to be junk, then bet against said products.

Still, the battle to stop firms from trading with their own money is hitting some road blocks. The Volcker Rule -- a controversial provision of the 2010 financial reform regulation that aims to curb banks from using their own money for trades -- will likely miss its July deadline for implementation.

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When the history books make their judgments about pre-crisis Wall Street, they'll come down hard on those salaries for twenty-somethings -- at least according to Michael Lewis. Asked what people w...
When the history books make their judgments about pre-crisis Wall Street, they'll come down hard on those salaries for twenty-somethings -- at least according to Michael Lewis. Asked what people w...
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
08:29 PM on 03/03/2012
It's called "ethics". If they didn't start their careers on Wall Street having some already, they aren't going to learn "ethics" there.
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05:40 PM on 03/03/2012
The kids were used as pawns. They didn't really understand what they were doing, but you can bet your butts that bosses knew. Great for thr bosses because most of the kids did not have enough experience to complain. Oh yeah they were making so much money the weren't likely to complain either. Part of a great scheme is to make others semi unknowing while paying them huge rewards. Think about it a mortgage secures a loan, can it really be used to secure something else (derivative ). If it used for double security what could possible go wrong because we can always claim against the mortgage gtuarantor when our games implodes and it will implode.
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BoshSpong
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04:35 PM on 03/03/2012
An investment system that rewards malfeasance will produce abuse and eventual disaster.

The mortgage system rewarded (and still does) brokers or loan officers who sell bad products over those who place their client's interests first.

Loan officers or brokers who sell high interest loans, prepayment penalties, graduated interest loans, etc. make much more than those who give their clients a solid 30 year low interest loan.

Stock traders function in like manner, the more one moves his money the more fees due and the higher the salary for the broker. Worse if the broker's house can bet on a failure to fail and at the same time push it on its clients.

I really do not understand the resistance to these obvious abuses by any politician of any party - these policies of enriching the few at the expense of the many are not sustainable and reveal that the politicians are in fact on the side of moneyed interests and against the nation.

To expect an international corporation to act sanely and voluntarily give up potential profit would be like telling a racer to slow down during a competition; it will never happen.

The arbiters and rule makers must make the rules so that outright destructive greed does not sink us into mass unrest, misery, and social upheaval.
03:46 PM on 03/03/2012
Michael Lewis is one smart former WS insider. Both his "Liar's Poker" and "The Big Short" will do more to open your eyes to the inside workings of Wall Street than any economics text or a whole series of WSJ articles.

I think it was Lewis''s "The Big Short" that told of these wet-behind-the-ears college kids entering a WS firm and being given the task, for their first assignment, of selling stocks the firm expected to collapse, to the firm's clients. He said for the first couple of weeks the new-hires felt a bit guilty about selling stocks they knew would lose to these trusting clients, but after so much acclaim and celebration and high-fiving afterward, it took a very short time for them to lose that compunction.

He said it only took a little bit longer for these young know-nothings to become convinced that they DESERVED these inflated salaries and to come to view themselves as far superior to others in the outside world who weren't making those kinds of salaries.
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11:21 AM on 03/04/2012
You are right. An exellent book giving real insight into 'what went wrong'. If I remember correctly the dodgy goings on coverted Steve Eisman to socialism.
QuantProgrammer
Cap welfare benefits at two kids.
03:02 PM on 03/03/2012
$150K in New York is not a whole lot of money. $110K/year buys you 10% saved for retirement, a 350 square foot apartment within walking distance of work, breakfast and lunch at work, an Amy's packaged dinner at home, a gym club membership, and two trips home every year- flying coach. You can't even afford a car in the city on $150K/year.

Yes, many people out there are suffering, but taxes and cost of living turn $150K in Manhattan into a $50K/year lifestyle somewhere else.
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Tony Twohill
02:01 AM on 03/03/2012
This guy is an idiot.
Yes sure, 24 year olds were making big trades and what not, but they had bosses who were in their 50s or over who saw what those kids were doing and thought that it was good.
Otherwise, those 50 years olds would have realized that things were bad and put an end to those idiot kids who didn't know anything right?? But oh no they didn't, which is why we have a problem. So maybe the real problem is that the bosses weren't doing their job and letting everybody get away with the kitchen sink and thinking everything was going to be all right. Perhaps the real wrong is in the fifty something managers who didn't know a disaster coming when it slapped them in the face, even though they should have. Selling Mortgage Backed Securities was big profit at the time and everybody including the CEOs were sippin that Kool Aid. Don't try to blame it on the youngsters now. There's a reason corporations have older folks in charge of shit, it's because they're supposed to know better.
03:48 PM on 03/03/2012
Lewis wasn't blaming the youngsters, he was blaming the system that would hire them and turn them loose. Duh!

But if you read his books you'll learn that from the very start these kids were taught to knowingly sell investors securities the firm expected to take a dive. The kids were rewarded for doing it, so soon lost any conscience or qualms about knowingly cheating others.
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Tony Twohill
09:48 PM on 03/03/2012
So Lewis and I agree.
Naughty bosses make naughty associates.
02:51 PM on 03/02/2012
investment houses should only be allowed to take a percentage of their customers profit. They shouldn't be allowed to invest.
02:43 PM on 03/02/2012
And Republicans keep fighting against Wall Street reform.....
madame48
NO..it's a gop Cookbook !Tempus edax,homo edacior
01:13 PM on 03/02/2012
we keep hearing Mittie, and the republicans complain that raising the tax a reasonable 3% on the very very rich is "punishing success". I have been a teacher for 41 years, having instructed over 4000 students. I make in a year a little more than Mitt makes in ONE day. I guess the republicans don't consider that success. but where would they ALL be without those lowly teachers? These "successful" guys cost all of us wage earners with their scams
QuantProgrammer
Cap welfare benefits at two kids.
03:10 PM on 03/03/2012
It's not 3%, it's 3.8% plus another 1.9% in the form of medicare tax hikes. So you're talking about a 5.7% tax hike. In New York City, someone in the 35% tax bracket is also paying 12% state and local taxes, so you're talking about taking 15% of their remaining take-home income with this 5.7% tax hike.
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Tingalor
The Dude...takin 'er easy for all us sinners.
11:17 AM on 03/02/2012
My problem with this article, is that down the road when people look back on these years, there will be enough information and facts to show that it clearly was not the fault of the upcoming generation, but the result of the carelessness of our parents.
llwlknsn
Adequate words fail me.
12:20 PM on 03/02/2012
It is the fault of the idiots on Wall Street who decided to run the US Economy into the ground instead of doing the job they were supposed to do. YOUR parents were victims of a huge scam and like it or not the full impact of that criminal activity hasn't hit yet. No one is blaming the upcoming generation.

There is enough blame to go around.
01:50 PM on 03/02/2012
The upcoming generation is being indirectly screwed by the government with easy loans that jack up tuition cost at for profit and all other institutions of higher learning. ...
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ms.understood
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11:00 AM on 03/02/2012
the only thing i'm getting out of this is more shifting of responsibility. these so-called "kids" wouldn't have had so much freedom had they had managers and supervisors who weren't in on the take. the collapse of anything starts from the top, and there are very few exceptions...this is definitely not one of them.
madame48
NO..it's a gop Cookbook !Tempus edax,homo edacior
01:07 PM on 03/02/2012
it was Paulson who went to the SEC to ask for leverage to be boosted...40 to 1 , really? and don't forget Mittie/Bain lobbying to keep paying only 15% rich guy tax discount so they could gamble more...conservative ideology is cannibalizing the country still
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05:45 PM on 03/03/2012
Good memory madame. You are spot on over leveraged and unregulated who could expect a problem.
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MarcDel
What a child should never see
08:08 AM on 03/04/2012
And we went from financial services being 15% of GDP to close to 40%. Even David Stockman budget director under Reagan said anybody but a fool would have seen that that's no sustainable. But the band played on
03:51 PM on 03/03/2012
Lewis never said it was the kids who were at fault directly. He's indicting the system that hired know-nothings and trained them to lie and cheat and steal and rewarded them for it.

Read "Liar's Poker" and "The Big Short" and you'll learn more about the stock market than you ever could in a year of intensive research.
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Ian OFull
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10:52 AM on 03/02/2012
The game is still rigged because Goldman is still the same.
10:29 AM on 03/02/2012
Age isn't the issue. Obviously the dishonest traders of any age need to be more closely regulated. The older the trader, the more ways he/she has learned to cheat and gamble with your money?
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blondd780
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12:10 PM on 03/02/2012
I thnk age is the issue. Parens scrimp and save to send Junior to school, often doing without the essentials themselves. Junior's very first time in the workplace has him earning twice as much as his hard-working parents. Junior is making all this money - is he paying off the loans his parents are still paying for his education? Young people need to work themselvs up the pay ladder, and maybe learn the lessons that they didn't learn i school.
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Robert SF
10:27 AM on 03/02/2012
What goes for the kids goes for the adults, too. Nobody on Wall Street really has skills worth what they're getting paid. There's nothing special or extraordinary about all those CEOs, CFOs, and COOs. They have no special skill or body of knowledge. Anybody could do what Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein do. They probably don't even know Excel.
02:33 PM on 03/02/2012
They are salesmen in a sophisticated occupation that creates wealth for the players and risk for those who trust.
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05:46 PM on 03/03/2012
spot on homey i agree
mikiao
Empty my micro-bio is.
10:23 AM on 03/02/2012
So...the kids right out of college ruined everything. I'm not sure which is worse, the thought that people will blame these "kids" for the collapse or that the companies that hired them apparently didn't bother to give them a supervisor.
01:46 PM on 03/02/2012
the "kids" were the new techno geeks that came up with comp. programs and math. formulas to "work the market"--- they were paid by the older players and they are the ones who turned them loose without supervision......................blame game!
sorta like blaming science for the bomb and not including the ones who decided to use it