iPhone app iPad app Android phone app Android tablet app More

Indefinite Detention Targeted In Democratic Bill On Handling Terrorist Suspects

Posted: 03/ 8/2012 12:04 pm Updated: 03/ 9/2012 10:40 am

WASHINGTON -- A pair of lawmakers on Thursday offered a bill that would repeal laws that allow the indefinite detention of Americans and others by the military without trial.

The power of military authorities to arrest and jail people as long as they want stems from Congress' 2001 joint resolution authorizing the use of military force against terrorists, but was explicitly codified into law last year after President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act on New Year's Eve. While allowing military detention of anyone, the act mandated that certain terrorist suspects had to be held by the armed forces.

Civil libertarians on the left and right were sharply critical of the law, even though the president promised not to grab Americans.

Obama set out policy rules last month making good on that pledge, specifying that U.S. citizens and numerous other categories of suspected terrorists would not be clapped into the military system, which somewhat mollified critics.

But many pointed out that those rules are only good as long as Obama is president, prompting Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) and Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) to offer their bill Thursday.

"On the books, we have a law that gives the executive branch the power to indefinitely detain people here in the U.S., even U.S. citizens, and we believe we should take that off the books," Smith said at a Capitol Hill news conference. "Even though you can make an argument that this executive will not exercise that authority, has not exercised that authority, we don't believe we can afford to allow that kind of power to reside in the executive branch."

"That policy won't tie the hands of future administrations," said Udall. "I continue to believe that the NDAA detention provisions weaken our national security and our constitutional protections."

"I believe the U.S. military should be focused on getting the bad guys overseas, not getting involved with law enforcement here on U.S. soil," Udall added.

Proponents of the law argue that leaving anti-terrorism efforts up to civilian law enforcement authorities makes it harder to extract vital intelligence that could prevent a devastating attack at home. They say that the United States is engaged in a war and that the military is best equipped to deal with war-related criminals. They note that the law makes it clear that the battlefield has extended to America's shores. And they contend that any enemy -- citizen or otherwise -- should be treated as such, and not as a criminal defendant with the attendant rights.

At their press conference, however, Smith and Udall argued that civilian law enforcement has been extremely successful in handling terrorists, prosecuting more than 400 suspects, compared to only a handful tried in the military system.

"Traitors must be dealt with, but even in our darkest hours we must ensure that our Constitution prevails," Udall said. "Our Constitution, I believe, is in many ways the most powerful weapon we have against those who would do us harm. We can't afford to erode our liberties. In the end, that would leave us even more at risk."

Last year's passage of the NDAA has sparked intense debate since, with people differing over what it actually accomplishes.

Many defenders of the administration argue that the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force already permitted indefinite detention.

Their case is bolstered by the fact that the Supreme Court has not ruled in the cases of American terrorist suspects who were captured and held by the military, while lower courts have found such detentions to be lawful. Those cases, including that of Brooklyn native and would-be dirty bomber Jose Padilla, were rendered moot after the suspects were transferred for civilian prosecution.

Others argue that NDAA sections 1021 and 1022 take matters a step further by mandating military detention in many cases. Indeed, Obama saw fit to clarify that his administration would not interpret the law to sweep in citizens and several other categories of suspects.

The Udall-Smith bill would both repeal the NDAA detention provisions and bar the detention powers first asserted by the Bush administration under the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force.

"Even if last year's NDAA hadn't happened, this bill would be necessary in order to reverse that -- in order to say no, indefinite detention, military custody, military courts are not an option for people arrested here in the U.S.," said Smith. "We're trying to undo what they were doing last year, pushing in the wrong direction, and also get it back to where it should have been."

"We have to make these changes. ... Our Constitution has stood us in good stead," Udall said. "It's why the rest of the world looks to us as a role model."

The legislators hope to add their measure as an amendment to next year's defense authorization bill, which is likely to be a difficult task. One administration official said it did not look like the Senate in particular had the stomach for dealing with the measure in an election year.

But the two legislators said they were optimistic, considering the level of outrage and energy generated in last year's debate. They suggested the White House was on their side in spirit, if not yet in deed.

"They're sympathetic to our effort to make some fixes here, but they have not taken a position yet on this specific piece of legislation," Smith said.

Michael McAuliff covers politics and Congress for The Huffington Post. Talk to him on Facebook.

Also on HuffPost:

FOLLOW POLITICS
Subscribe to the HuffPost Hill newsletter!
WASHINGTON -- A pair of lawmakers on Thursday offered a bill that would repeal laws that allow the indefinite detention of Americans and others by the military without trial. The power of military ...
WASHINGTON -- A pair of lawmakers on Thursday offered a bill that would repeal laws that allow the indefinite detention of Americans and others by the military without trial. The power of military ...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 2,892
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Highlights
Bloggers
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Next ›  Last »  (61 total)
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
12:19 PM on 03/26/2012
Ups!! were are my civil rights??
02:15 AM on 03/19/2012
Let's not forget that the President signed the bill after the members of our wonderful Congress passed it in both Houses. It passed 86 to 13 in the Senate and 283 to136 in the House. Everyone of our representatives here in Nevada voted to pass the bill. Senators Reid and Heller voted for it in the Senate, and Representatives Berkley and Heck voted for it in the House of Representatives.

Heller, Berkley and Heck are all running for office this year in Nevada, and in my humble opinion, any Nevadan that votes for any of them is out of his or her mind after they voted in favor of this bill in December.

With Grave Concern,
Barry Ellsworth
Candidate for the U.S. Senate
02:14 AM on 03/19/2012
(or his if he changed his mind, which he does quite often, as he did concerning this bill when he said he would Veto it if it had the detention language in it, but then changed his mind and signed it) could easily interpret this bill as giving them the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely without "the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation: to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense." as guaranteed by Amendment VI, which I just quoted for you. But President Obama signed it anyway because he said, "it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad." It negates the Sixth Amendment. But who cares? To hell with the Constitution...and he signed it anyway.

Someone has his priorities confused. Since when is funding the Defense Department more important than preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution? Or did someone just commit a blatant act of treason, which is defined as: a violation or betrayal of the allegiance that a person owes his sovereign or his country; especially by attempting to overthrow the government - high treason?
02:14 AM on 03/19/2012
After signing it, the President issued a lengthy "Signing Statement" (which he obviously thought was necessary due to the gravity of what he had just done) in which he said:

“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists." He went on to say, "Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law."

Please understand what that statement just established. Also remember who was issuing the statement. President Obama was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. An honor given only to the best and brightest senior student of Harvard's Law School each year. So he understands the law extremely well. In his statement he made it very clear that although "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens [and] "My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law," it is very likely, possible and highly probable that another administration in the future
02:12 AM on 03/19/2012
Is a well-planned, methodical, slow, but sure Coup d' Etat occurring in the United States? If so, what are we going to do about it?

On New Year's Eve, President Obama signed a document entitled the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, commonly known in Washington as the NDAA. Congress passes one every year to fund the Defense Department. However, the one passed for this year is different because there is language in it giving the President of the United States the authority to arrest and detain "indefinitely" anyone he wants, including American citizens, as long as he has a piece of paper to the side that says he suspects that you might be the friend of a terrorist. Kind of like the piece of paper George Bush and Dick Cheney had off to the side that said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

This is not some fantasy or possibility that might happen in the future. This actually occurred. The President of the United States signed the bill into law on December 31, 2011. The same President who took an oath to uphold the Constitution - an oath that was written into the Constitution by its authors because they felt it was that important.

This is the oath: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
05:47 PM on 03/10/2012
Ndaa and patiot act should be repealed entirely since the contain unconstitutional provisions. If we use a new law to fix the unconstitutional parts, it will imply that the new bill grants our rights rather than the constitution. It is easy to repeal this new bill in the future as part of another bill and leave us back in this mess once again.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
lambdin1
What's this?
12:52 PM on 03/10/2012
Of course it is a needed law. We/ve become more draconian with our laws. Much in Congress has been passed in order to appease the Republicans. Now much has to be repealed! Vote Democrat in 2012!
11:10 AM on 03/10/2012
I don't do it much-but I support the Dems on this one.
Lets see, another very important issue to civil libertarians where Obama kicked them under the bus.
There is only one Libertarian out of the 4 Repubs that could beat Obama yet the RNC is doing everything it can to get him out and make Romney the king clown of the other three. Maybe it should be RNCC (Republican National Clown Commitee).
04:00 AM on 03/10/2012
Courts are there for a reason, and "everyone" is allowed due process under the constitution. If a person is not given a chance to prove that they are innocent, how can the government say that they are guilty of a crime?Guilt has to be proven, the government shouldn't have the power to lock up whoo they want to, who's to say if the person was even involved with terrorism. This is just wrong on so many levels.
12:29 AM on 03/10/2012
HEY WAKE UP WE HAVE BEEN LIED TOO!! AND DUPED!! TAKE BACK OUR NATION! OR FACE FEMAS CAMPS! AND NDAA!!
photo
johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
06:14 AM on 03/10/2012
These idiots in Congress and the President think were stupid enough to trust them. Come on! . Obama said he would Repeal the Patriot Act. Obama said we don't use rendition anymore, and then he said except of course for suspected "Terrorists". Then he said we don't torture. We don't have to when we rendition suspected "Terrorist" we send them to countries that torture them for us. Politicians lie. Fact of life. Obama is as big a Neo-Con as Bush II. In fact he illegally gave blanket immunity to every single one of Bush/Cheney's criminal machine including those involved in torture. Please don't insult me by telling me I can trust these SOBs. NDAA is Unconstitutional and just because no one in Congress is living up to their sworn oath to defend the Constitution does not change that. The only way to change it is with an amendment and I haven't heard anyone proposing to do that. The phony secret signing statements that Bush started and Obama doubled down on, will be declared illegal when we once again have a trustworthy Supreme Court. That is if it's not to late. Please vote for Rocky Anderson in 2012 to restore Rule of Law. Yeah Obama promised he would too, but that was before the election.
10:38 AM on 03/10/2012
Never heard of Rocky Anderson. But I have now. I'll check him out.
10:57 PM on 03/09/2012
list of all who voted for indefinite detention:

govtrack [dot] us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
08:59 PM on 03/09/2012
Did these two jokers explain why they voted for it in the first place?
08:12 PM on 03/09/2012
Edcorner brings up a critical point. "While I can appreciate your sentiments, you need to know that O b a m a insisted American citizens be included in the NDAA"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_ysdsxF3eo

Excellent find. What game are the playing here.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
12:29 AM on 03/10/2012
According to a post about 4 pages ago by Ukridge (click to see all), the website politicususa claims the video of Sen Levin is doctored. It does have a lengthy C-Span video which shows Sen Levin, in introducing the Bill to the Senate, explaining how the detainee provisions were formulated and he says the Obama admin requested the provisions to remove citizens from being included in the mandatory military detention provisions of 1022.
I guess I'd recommend further fact-finding before concluding that Obama did what the youtube video claims.
photo
EdCorner
Now what - more of the same...
12:32 PM on 03/10/2012
Wro ng, go to CSPAN and see the whole video - O b a m a insisted American citizens be included in the NDAA.
07:55 PM on 03/09/2012
The Democrats want to "remove" indefinite detention of AMERICANS? We The People are going to remove Barack HUSSEIN Obama the communist usurper from the White House. Even the Russians know he is a fraud.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/30-01-2012/120356-obama_the_chicken-0/
06:26 PM on 03/09/2012
The military argument doesn't stick in my view. Terrorism is essentially a tactic aimed at civilians by civilians. What can the military do in this context. Furthermore, why on earth, even in the case of war, should somebody be detained without trial for ever.
photo
johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
06:24 AM on 03/10/2012
Well, that's what they do in a Fascist State.Since we let our last President and our current President continue to erode our Civil Liberties that is what we will be. Congress is going along now because it not just the Republicans owned by Wall Street, the Neo-Cons and the Military Industrial Complex, probably a majority of the Democrats are also feeding at the same tit. That is why we need a clean break from both the major parties. That is why the Justice Party was founded and Rocky Anderson is it's 2012 candidate for President.